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It's not so much "immigration", but "mass immigration" created by the conjoined major parties. They ignored public opinion and went ahead with it anyway. Immigration was no longer included in the democratic process, and still isn't. You can have your say, but it inevitably falls on deaf ears. Things might be changing though, with the high cost of living and shortage of housing, the pig-headed major party politicians can't help but hear rumblings from nearly every sector of the broader community. Mass immigration drove me to support One Nation, that's how it affected me. I will not support or vote for parties who find it convenient to gang up against the Public for selfish reasons. They promise sweeteners at election time, but the issue of immigration is completely off the table. As the major parties lose their influence over the general public, as is happening now, we'll get a chance to gain power over them and tell them what we want, not what they want all the time. Mass immigration is not doing what it is intended to do, making us stronger, no, it is making us weaker in every respect you can think of. Why do we have a trillion dollar debt? Why do we have so much drug crime? Why is the nation split into 200 different groups with 200 different flags? Why did we have an anti Semitic "Bondi", and blocked streets full of River to the Sea people? We shouldn't go around with blinkers on. Take them off and look around.

Barnaby Joyce?

The talk now is breeding up bees that have the ability to resist the varroa mite. Bugger the Americans, and their noxious imports!! We should send them something equally noxious in return.

Just a little out of date now, but still funny ...

A bunch of South Australian farmers moved into the "developing farm" region West of Ravensthorpe in the 1960's and 1970's. This area (roughly bounded by Ravensthorpe, Lake King, Lake Grace, Pingrup and Ongerup was the last of the "native bush" Crown Land in W.A. offered to applicants to clear and turn it into farmland on a Conditional Purchase arrangement. You could tell the South Australians in this entire area of "new land" farmers by the way they talked. They talked with a re-aal slo-oww draw-wl, compared to the locals. It was a very distinctive style of speech that became obviously fairly quickly, once you started talking to them for a few minutes. We were quite surprised at the regional differences in speech.

Actually meant to post the above fuel ad in the fuel crisis thread.

Classic

I remember this from 1979 fuel crisis.

It's a REMOTE area . Used to use Opal Fuel. . No good for sniffing. Nev

https://tyrecycle.com.au/what-we-do/the-process/

As high as 440 in Arnhem land and other parts up there. Crikey. l mean locations like that you know are gonna be dear but eh, that's dear.

We often go for an evening walk on a walkway over the water which is made of recycled milk containers. The walkway at Geelong Adventure Park was constructed using approximately 17,000 kg of recycled plastic, equivalent to 440,000 2-litre plastic milk bottles. This project utilized APR Composites' materials to create a durable, reclaimed infrastructure that keeps waste out of landfills. APR Composites +1 Project Details Location: Geelong Adventure Park Material Composition: 17,000 kg of recycled plastic (milk bottles) combined with 17,000 kg of reclaimed non-treated timber. Volume: Reused approximately 440,000 x 2-litre plastic milk bottles. APR Composites Local Recycling Context Plastic Types: In Geelong, HDPE (High-density polyethylene) milk containers are typically accepted in recycling bins. Container Deposit Scheme (CDS): Certain milk containers under 1L may be eligible for the Victorian Container Deposit Scheme, though guidelines can vary based on the specific material (paper vs. plastic).

Cardboard is neither a High Value Product or a bad Pollutant. It could be used as fuel in a Properly designed Furnace, reclaimed or Mulched. Nev

Ah interesting. 30% to 40% of used tyres are used as fuel for cement kilns, industrial boilers and energy recovery systems. Here is a list Fuel (TDF): ~30–45% Crumb rubber / materials recycling: ~15–30% Export (often for fuel or reuse): ~20–40% Stockpiled / unaccounted (varies): remainder

Tyres are used in road surfacing and asphalt. You can also see it in that playground, black springy flooring. Also used in conveyor belts, and apparently, you can make fuel, but I am not sure how much this is done

The shelves aren't empty yet and Ukraine is Much Worse off. Be thankful for what you DO Have. Nev

Ther is one big problem with recycling hat is never mentioned: the cost of transporting material for recycling. Today I was talking to the boss of our local recycling station. He told me that he sells his cardboard for recycling for $1000/tonne. However, it costs him $2000/tonne to transport it to the next step in teh recycling (probably packing for transport overseas. I didn't ask). So, he says he will continue to accept cardboard, but he will have to stockpile it until transport costs drop. No doubt the same factors impinge on the glass and plastic recycling. The last time you got your car serviced, or replaced tyres, did you notice the environmental levy added to yoiur bill? I'd really like to know where those tyres are being recycled in Australia. There are rumours of rural properties being leased and used to store tyres for recycling. Often they never seem to leave the properties. What is saddening is that most of us try to do the right thing and make an effort to recycle at least some of the recyclables that we accumulate by living our modern lifestyles. The recycling system seems to fail to meet our high ideals once our additions to the pile are carted away from our doorsteps.

I didn't grow Wine grapes then, but I drank wine. 8 weeks Later I was flying to Papua New Guinea . POM LAE. What a change from what I was used to. Nev

Thanks to my parents I'm a post war immigrant from Holland so the impact on me personally has been quite significant. Likewise, I think our family's impact on Australia has been quite significant, but that's just my opinion.

It's very good for scaring and stirring up People and where would Pauline be without it? Britain should have remained in the EU. The far right is More of a Menace than anything else. People today don't know much about HITLER. It's too Long ago.. Racism is Not a good Basis for anything. We all bleed and feel Pain and Protect our Kids. Looks at the damage that has been done in the name of a Religion down through the ages all of which are Patriarchal. Nev

Most Mining does a lot of environmental damage which could be reduced IF we were fair dinkum about it .You only have to Look at PLASTIC which we all use. REcycling is the way to go. The World's oceans and rivers are not bottomless rubbish tips. . Desal Plants could provide Minerals. We haven't tried yet. There is NO Plan et B. Nev

Coincidentally, I just came across this. I will post a link but here are some highlights. https://reneweconomy.com.au/wild-attack-on-batteries-and-renewables-by-7s-spotlight-program-falls-over-at-the-first-fact-check/?fbclid=IwY2xjawRSvLRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeRENsgXVWg03njVcjEv25LrV4q7XUJEVAYcOkDfurOU4zO3LDDzae9NSaOn8_aem_LVPR3uKcuhqbLOHAX9gfnA Spotlight, the so-called flagship current affairs program on the 7 network, dedicated more than an hour on Sunday evening on a report into the supply chains feeding into the renewables and EV industries, with a particular focus on cobalt mines in the Congo, and also activities in Australia. It was amplified on Murdoch and social media. It fell over at the very first fact-check. “Every battery, every electric vehicle, every piece of so-called clean energy technology today” uses cobalt, reporter Liam Bartlett claimed at the start of the program. Wrong. Nearly every big battery installed in Australia these days uses (LFP) lithium iron phosphate chemistry, which means no cobalt, and no nickel (that’s relevant because Bartlett did a similar hit job on the nickel industry last year, using that as a platform to attack EVs and renewables). Tesla, the biggest supplier to big batteries in Australia, now uses only LFP batteries for grid scale batteries. No cobalt. The two big batteries at Liddell and Tomago being built for AGL Energy by Fluence are LFP. No cobalt. A spokesperson for Fluence said all its batteries in Australia use LFP. “We don’t use cobalt.” Finland-based Wartsila, which is building the country’s biggest grid battery at Eraring for Origin Energy, also uses only LFP for its battery projects in Australia. No cobalt. It’s a similar story with EVs. Tesla, for instance, uses only LFP chemistry for most of the variants of its best selling Model Y and the Model 3. No cobalt. It uses NMC chemistry (which does include cobalt) only in “performance” variants, which amounts to about 10 per cent of sales. Home batteries, which are now being installed at record rates in Australia, are the same. New market leader Sigenergy uses only LFP chemistry, so no cobalt, as does another market leader Sungrow, and most others. Bartlett claims to be appalled by the conditions in some cobalt mines in the Congo, and the nickel mine in Indonesia. And so he should be. So should everyone. But the inconvenient truth is that these mines have been operating for decades, and cobalt has been used widely in many industries. The mineral is essential for the iPhone that Bartlett presumably uses, for the laptop he writes his stories on, for the jet engines that flew him from Australia to Africa, and for widespread use in medicine (hip and knee replacements), the petroleum industry, the manufacture of tools, for construction, for cosmetics, and even ceramics. The use of cobalt in EV and grid batteries is relatively new, and is already moving on. Where it is used, most EV makers are at pains to point out that the mineral does not come from such mines, and they produce blockchain style tracking reports to underline their claims. But Bartlett did not seem particularly interested in balance, or inconvenient detail. His story had three major themes – he doesn’t like the Chinese, he doesn’t like renewables and EVs, and he doesn’t like federal energy and climate minister Chris Bowen. “Bowen’s fanatical approach, aided and abetted by a conga line of true believers and latte-sipping Teal supporters is now set to send the country into bankruptcy,” Bartlett wrote in an op-ed also published on 7’s website. Bartlett – was global head of TV, creative visual at oil giant Shell in London from 2013-2015

Whilst some cobalt is mined under poor conditions, my understanding is that most is not. The other thing is that batteries are increasingly moving away from cobalt. LFP (lithium iron phosphate) uses no cobalt at all. I think it is entirely appropriate to give a sh1t about the percentage of cobalt that is mined by dubious means; however, it is often used is some sort of argument against renewables and EVs. Does anyone say oil refining is evil because it uses cobalt as a catalyst? About 20% of cobalt comes from artisanal mines with poor conditions. Some uses of cobalt Batteries (EVs, phones, home storage) Superalloys (jet engines, turbines) Magnets (motors, wind turbines) Catalysts (oil refining, chemicals) Pigments (cobalt blue in glass/ceramics) Medical uses (cancer treatment, sterilisation) Tool steels and industrial uses

Seems this topic needs a thread of its won. What is the impact of immigration - not only to Australia, but around the world? There seems to be a lot of opinion about it - naturally. In my eyes, there is good and bad about immigration. In the UK, immigration, which has been on a net basis quite high compared to Aus, even on a per capita basis, is under immense pressure at the moment. And it is blamed for the eroision of public services. But this is a convenient blame., A lot of the publoc services have suffered real cuts over the years, leading to less capacity regardless of whether there was any net immigration. For example, this morning on the BBC, I hear that in England and Wales, the number of health visitors has reduced over the last 10 years form 10,000 to less that 5,500. So, even if the population stood still, there is just a little over half the capacity - that is noit the fault of migrants. Then there is the cultural impact - how prevasive is it, when the population of nany new wave of migrants is so small? Then there's the discussion about crime. The stats say they commit less criome per capita than the home population, but there are a couple of things to consider. What is the nature of the crime? Is it petty stuff, or serious? And there was the Rotheram grooming gangs debacle, where there is credible evidence the police didn't take it seriously because they avoiding beign called racists - or was it more sinister - let the grooming gangs get on with it to make all migrants look worse and feed an agenda? Do they keep wages low. We often say migrants come in and do the work no locals want to do. I was discussing this position with my son and he disagreed somewhat, or had qualified agreement - whichever way you want to look at it. Locals will be willing to do these jobs; just not for the pay that migrants are willing to do it, and therefore keeping wages artificially low. I am not saying one is right or wrong, just stating a viewpoint. The reality is humans have been migrating for time immemorial. Without it, none of us would be Australian (unless there are First Nations people on the forums). So, when you cut through all the rhetoric, stereotypes, ideological opinion and the like, what has the impact of immigration been on you personally as well as what do you think it has been on the country?

Cobalt mining in Africa using kids, no environmental cleanup, etc. just to name a couple. I'll try and record some of it tonight.