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Definitely not. Just the most visible.

Not really related to the pros and cons of windfarms, but I figured this was the best place to show this video without starting a new thread. It deals with the way the blades for these generators are made and how they are repaired. Very interesting is the fact that the person presenting the video is an Australian - and a woman as well.

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You've got to be kidding! Why waste a good rant by reading provided refrences beforehand?

The motors definitely do. Current vehicle (courier ute) has 380,000km, last 2 sedans VR commodore had 333 000km when we sold it, VE commodore 360,000 and still being driven by my son although has had a motor because of the timing chain issue.

Trouble with the greens is they are all now pretty well career politicians who have done nothing else. SHY thinkis it ok to fly her husband to work on the public money, just more snouts in the trough. At least Pocock has done something different previously. The trouble is he is going to have to do backroom deals to get anything done. Its just a big snowball and yes, our 2 party system is a con. Agreed though, it is probably the best around at the moment.

I am agonising over buying our 'last car'. Not counting possible mobility scooters. Almost every car I've owned has been an old car when I bought it. Disappointed that my previous post didn't even arc up Nev. But it was only half in jest. We are already making cars nowadays that last way way longer than the 'old'' ones. And we have already shown that any well built car can last 100 years (with proper maintenance). And we are not likely to make many further engineering improvements in crash safety, teaction, or suspension. So why not make cars last a lifetime?

You mentioned nutters before. Is that the full list?

Sorry to be dissecting your post, but I am trying to get down to a useful conclusion about why not the Greens?... Although I have heard the above sentiment from others, and sometimes said similar myself, most really can't list all these BAD policies for me. Well that's what we all agree that's what gets votes for ON + Clive. But not working for Greens? But also don't like the major party's politics, either. Well, we all see a lot of nutty politicians in ALL parties. Disagree there. Greens have been bumping along the bottom for ever. Not likely to peak. Totally true. But we are accustomed to major partys doing that fairly often, too. After I started typing, others have touched on similar. I am puzzling how we can break out of this BTBD cycle before we follow the USA path. (BTBD = Burn The B Down and start afresh)

This is scary. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-02/the-nerd-reich-silicon-valley-fascism-war-on-democracy-abc-2026/107091034 These are the people supporting Trump, PHON, AfD and other far right "disrupter" parties and politicians around the world. The people who vote for these parties may want to simply shake up the system, but the people funding these parties want to end democracy.

Just to clarify, Marty. The Haha icon I left on your post is not to put shite on the post; I just thought your post was a rather witty response.

Pocock is (or appears to be) on the correct side of most issues. The trouble is, for every Pocock there's a Bob Katter, a Clive Palmer, a Barmy Joyce or a Pauline Hanson. Well that puts them in front of PHON then, who have thought bubbles instead of policies and can't even agree amongst themselves as to what they are. Look I know the Greens sometimes seem nutty. My point is that if you want to park your vote with a protest party, at least give it to the nutters who have the best interests of the planet at heart, instead of the nutters who want to destroy it.

In my case, that is true. In the 22 federal election I would have probably voted for them. Sure, PHON is a party of protest too, and they are also nutters and LNP rejects, but they seem to espouse stuff more Aussies can relate to... Not sure if that is a good or bad thing. For the record, I would vote Green before PHON, but neither would get my vote. Australia needs a party of Pococks.

I think one reason the Greens have only appealed to one in ten voters is that they have some sensible policies that appeal but a lot that don't. I understand why they don't broaden their scope as it would entail getting away from their basic brief. A lot of people don't like their politics; they see them these days as more a party of protest than a party of trees. There's many reasons why the Greens don't have broad appeal. The people there have a bit to do with it. Many see them as a bunch of nutters. If they were any better, they'd get more votes, but I think they've hit their peak. They're often their own worst enemies. But they do provide a niche vote for some people.

The Greens are not getting enough votes.

There's my point. You start by saying you'd only vote for them if you had a lobotomy, but end by saying the environmental destruction in your area would have been less if they'd been in power. So people vote against their best interests... why?

Why is it a bad look to have them do what the premier is suggesting (I am assuming it is not forced)?

Did you actually read the article? "Premier Ben Carroll said if Labor won the November election, it would work with Corrections Victoria to develop a pilot program to put supervised, minimum-security prisoners to work performing roadside maintenance. The plan would include having inmates take over basic duties such as mowing lawns, controlling weeds, removing graffiti and picking up rubbish." A photo and then "Premier Ben Carroll, who served as roads minister between 2020 and 2022, said it would free up skilled roadside maintenance crews to concentrate on fixing potholes. Low-security inmates are already involved in day-release programs doing gardening, weeding and rubbish collection in some parks." So, there is no plan to use inmates to actually fix the roads... Another beat up

Going back to that assessment and prediction from Tony Barry of Redbridge Group, here's a quote of his opinion (based on polling) on reasons behind One Nation support: “For about 15 per cent of One Nation voters, they self-report immigration as their key consideration. But for most, they’re looking for an anti-establishment party. It’s a rejection of the two-party system,”

Go back to GON's post. They don't want to change things for the better. They want to punish the incumbents in a big way. It is that simple. Chump, Farage, PHON, and some of the right wing nut job parties in Europe are well funded and have the backing of enough of the press to make a dent. You bet it will get worse for them.. No one said it would get better - except those seeking to disrupt. Getting better doesn't factor into their thinking. Maybe it is getting even?

I think I'm on my last car. It's a diesel, 240,000 on the clock and I'd probably only do about 10,000 per year these days. Most likely lose the license before the car wears out.

I will if I ever get a frontal lobotomy first. I do give them full credit for trying in our area. They have well meaning candidates who front up every election but they just never get enough numbers in our electorates. They were a bit comical last election. They all dressed up in khaki for their corflute photos, probably thinking it would make them look very green like park rangers. It was like looking at the Irwins on the Australia Zoo ads every time you drove past a Green corflute. Having said that, if they'd been in local government over the years, the environmental destruction from over development around here would be a lot less for sure. A certain amount is due to state government but the council has a big say in town planning and development.

Let's say that those 'Trustees" work hard at their assigned tasks. I bet not one of them has the knowledge nor experience of how to make a road. All they will be able to do is throw down a few shovelfuls of cold ashphaltic concrete and pound it down. Come the next bit of rain and the stuff will be ripped out of the hole. Not their fault. Just bad procedure.

But But You are assuming the voters will engage in logical reasoning....... Hanrahan was right.