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It seemed perfectly ok to me as Jerry was obviously quoting their policies.

Trump is still better than Johnson and Nixon, they killed off 56,000 young Americans for no good reason, no good reason at all. Trump closed the Southern Border, cleaned up Biden's illegal immigrant mess, and what a mess it was. He then started clamping down on illicit drug importation, not fooling round either. Now he's letting Islamists know who's boss. Trump warned them some time ago, don't mess with the United States, Christianity nor Western societies.

Tell me how I'm better off? The thing is that the major parties' immigration policy is a chaotic, shambolic and untidy policy. And One Nation has the guts to go public on how to clean it all up.

I'll know to just post a link next time. Or stay off the politics thread so there's no next time. What a fukwit thing to do Jerry.

Jerry, your posts have the appearance of quoting me as saying those things and I find that a bit offensive and would ask the mods to remove your post. For everybodys information, those are not my words and the appearance of the post is a misrepresention. Marty asked GON if he knew what One Nation's policies were and I quoted their immigration policy from the One Nation website to help clarify the debate. As a neutral observer of the ongoing sparring with GON, I must add. Jesus Jerry, that's a shitful way to misrepresent someone. I know you didn't intend it that way, but just look at how that looks to anyone who didn't read the background of my post. If you can't delete, I'll see if the mods can do it.

I don't fundamentally disagree with this, but noit for the reasons quoted. For me it is fairness. 75,000 illegal immigrants, even if all are working are not going to make a dent to wages, which are covered the the fair work act and collective bargaining agreements, anyway. Nor are they going to be able to claim public services with the exception of health and subsidised transport. What they will doi is take a few jobs under deprived conditions for them. I am not sure how the undermine national security - except those working legally in foreign embassies. That was one year which was after COVID as a ballon.. and it is a gross migration, not net migration figure. Those numbers are dropping to normal levels already. Note, most of our immigration is for skilled migration visas, of which there is a chronic shortage (thankfully; even at my age, I should be able to get a job). I agree with this; I can't remember the Visa numbers (419?) This was introduced by the Coalitiion specifically to provide cheap overseas labour to theirt sponsors in lieu of Aussie labour. This is the same issue as we have in the UK. Whilst I philosophically agree with this, Australia has a chronic skills shortage, which they have to import. So, may as well use the people we have trained. Note, on skilled migration, it has to be tempered to balance developing talent locally, keeping salaries real, and making sure the economy continues. It is a balancing act. that some governments don't come close to performing. On the first one, I have no idea. In the second, is that not available already? Usually TPVs result in permament residency when it is proived that the person subject to it will be under the same or dsimilar threat for a sustained period of time. We have to be careful with this.. Very populist, but let's face it, the Bondi hero who disarmed one of the shooters was on bail or something, wasn't he? I think this should be qualified by indictable offences and even then, of certain types. If someone shoplifted something small, for example, would that really be cause to deport them? Given nothing happens to locals who do it, It is a value judgement. Again, this is a great soundbyte as people think of unemployment benefits cheats, etc. But ewhat happens if someone is a permanent resident waiting for citizenship in an average job and suffers a car accident not their fault and can't work for 12 months. Are they to be denied public health services (a benefit), unemployment benefit, etc; Or do we make them destitude? IMHO, once they or their family pay taxes, they are eligible. Simples. Do we make locals wait 8 years of paying tax before they can claim benefits? This sort of policy assumes every migrant is here to abuse the syste,. IO am sure some are... but not all.. There may be some things you want to put limits on - e.g. child allowance (if that is still a thing), etc. I guess. I would prefer, if this is really an issue, potential migrants having to pay for a proper pschometric assesment or something. Some people may be leaving precisely for that reason and they want nothing to do with such ideologies. In fact, they would be quite opposed to extremism and vocally so. Where this is coming from, with respect to Pauline is the ME, and there are many more Imans in the country than the one or two hate preachers. Of course, the press doesn't focus on that side of the coin. The evidence would suggest that, regardless to Australia being a party to the refgee conventions (not just one), it does already not fulfil its obligations, because being a signatory to an international convention is just that; your a signatory. International pressure may be applied to Australia, but so far, Australia has ignored it. A convention is only legally binding when it is imputed in local law, by an act of parliament; and in the same way, we can change what we will do, and then repeal it... It is our law that determines what we do and what we don't do - if we do anything - under an international convention. Again, a great soundbyter to get support, but of no practical significance.

According to their website, this is what they have as immigration policy: Deport 75,000 illegal migrants because Australia’s immigration laws must be enforced, not ignored. Visa overstayers, illegal workers, and unlawful non-residents undermine national security, drive down wages, and take advantage of public services meant for Australians. Cut immigration by over 570,000 people from current Labor levels by capping visas at 130,000 per year to ease pressure on housing, wages, and infrastructure. Stop the skilled visa rorting that allows cheap foreign labour to undercut Australian workers. End the student visa loopholes that turn study into a backdoor to permanent residency or low-wage labour. Stop the Administrative Review Tribunal being abused with endless, weaponised appeals that clog the system and delay rightful deportations. Immigration enforcement must not be held hostage by legal loopholes. Reintroduce Temporary Protection Visas a proven, effective policy that prevents permanent residency through the back door and deters illegal arrivals. Deport any visa holder who breaks the law. Weak law enforcement policies have put Australians in danger for too long. If you commit a crime, you lose your visa and the right to stay. Introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, ensuring new arrivals contribute before they take. Refuse entry to migrants from nations known to foster extremist ideologies that are incompatible with Australian values and way of life. Withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention because Australia will not be dictated to by foreign organisations when deciding who we accept into our nation on humanitarian grounds Marty, I think you could look it up yourself but sparring with GON wouldn't be the same if you did.

Been windy in Port Stephens last 5 days, no rain

What Gina wants

GON, what are one nation's actual policies?

It's been a while since I posted on here. Will take some pics and upload on the weekend. But, as usual. there's a spanner in the works.. Having a fuse box replaced to bring it up to spec in prep for the electricaal approval and the sparky noticed a small hole in the conduit leading dform the old one. At some stage, when a small fuse box was added, whoever did the job drilled through the conduit and two wires, which explains why the old smoke detectors were tripping all the time. It's a long story, but the replacement fusebox isn't now the right shape or something to replace the old one with (well, as he later found out, there were two - an add on board) and cover the gaping hole that will be required, so he is reconnecting the old boards back and going off to get another board.. further delay and of course the expense of thankfully only an two hours or so that need to be done that shouldn't needed to have been done. Oh, and we need a whole day rather than the couple of hours! This certainly is the gift that keeps in giving.. to tradies.

Very sensible question ... but major party politicians wouldn't know what you're talking about.

If it is representative of the wider population to get their facts from memes, then dog help humaity - we are all done for.

It's one of the reasons I started this thread - because IMHO, there is a lot of hyporcisy on both sides of the argument. For instance, what exactly is good for scaring the nation? |Immigration itself, or discussing it? If the latter, I think that suppressing it is playing into the far right. If the former, not discussing it is playing into the far right. It's lose/lose. But discussing it; hearing peoples' grievances as well as peoples'praise for it - whether real or perceiv ed - is important, and hopefully (very wishful thinking) cutting through the BS and getting to the facts will refine what people think abouit it. Suppressing or dismissing it is just playing into the ideologues' playbook. Another example is by what measure should Britain have stayed in the EU. Would it have seen Britain prosper or would it have slowed the decline? It is easy to state an opinion, but if you think that those who voted Brexit are racists, my observations are very different. Yep, there were some, but most were fed up and it was a protest vote. It hasn't helped them, but a lot of people who voted for it are not really affected either way, as they are largely economically and socially left behind. So, you could argue they were votinhg to make it harder for those who seemed to dispropritionately benefit. Migrants were getting the blame, and they still are - I will concede that.. but that is because the other side simply dismiss the anti-immgration rhetoric as nonsense without actually addressing it. IMHO, there are quite a few reasons for it. What do you define as mass immigration, exactly? Is it purely numbers coming in, or numbers coming in from a specific country/culture? There are always waves of cultures/countries coming in.. But their overall numbers remain relatively low - less than 1/2 the toital immigration number. As a percentage of the population, it barely registers - at about 0.25 of a percent.. and even at the height of the migration intake after COVID, out net immigration remained relatively constant, which, since 2020 (so immedately after COVID with the big numbers of immigrants), peeaked at a little over 140,000 in total. Thats is 0.5% or 5/1000ths of the population. That, to me, is not mass immigration. And most of the people that emigrated after COVID were not Australian born according to AI.. so it is not a matter of losing "traditional" Aussies to non-"Traditional Aussies" in the net migration numbers. It even pours boiling water over the argument that immigration is the main driver fdor rental and house price increases. In fact, Australia's housing prices are more to do with overseas buyers who don't live here, usually looking for ways to launder money thanks to Australia's weak anit-money laundering laws; the generous tax concessions for residential invetors, increasing populations in the cities due to economic factors and low density housing that is having a bigger impact than < 150k new people a year. Unless Australia is so short of land, like, I dunno, Ireland, that it simply cannot cope. Be that as it may, you haven't said how it affects you personally - how are you worse off because of immigration? They didn't have flags, but they had a hierarchy of soverign identification, the main one I recall was totems. pre-European First Nations was a sophisticated social and territorial structure, designed around moeity. A flag is nothing but an identification oif a people - and First Nations had tiered approach that allowed clear identification of mobs, clans, and the like. And there were very clear rules about engaging the other mob/clan/etc. And yes, I agree with @Siso - they are all puppets of their sponsors.. Though the popularity of a leader/cabinet may temper it. What.. how can mass migration - however you define it - be anti-Australian. Modern Australia was founded on it - and a hostile version of it, to boot. I would argue it is the very essence of Australian., especially if yoou look at our society when I was a kid, let alone today. The facts don't add up to your perception.. there ain't hordes.. And of those "hordes", a disproportionate nunmber go on to contribute well beyond the 9 - 5 worker. In my view, tradiitional Aussies are First Nations people; tough and able to survive and thrive against a fairly inhospitable environment full of all sorts of nasties; looking out for each other, and ensuring everyone works together. Yep, they had their issues, but they also embodied a lot of what we like to think traditional Aussies do. Modern Aussies are the ones who started with the mass-immigration of the 1770s and beyond. They are not just the British - but other Europeans, the Chinese, the Afghans - all early arrivals that have grown and shaped this country and successiuve waves. When I was a kiod, it was Italians and Greeks, followed by the Vietnamese and then the Turks. After WWII, it was the Eastern Europeans, presumably Jews; now we are welcoming Africans, Indonesionas, Middle Easterns, etc. It all eventually blends. Each cultural wave, when it firt arrives, tends to stick to their home traditions and it is usually the next generation that mix and further adopt their new home's culture. Yes, there have been events like the Bondo shooting, which is horrific and arguably and imported issue. But at the same token, most of our shooting events have been home grown; and continue to be so. The question for me is how to better integrate the first wave into our wider community.

I saw a meme the other day of an Iranian family - a man with 3 wives and eleven kids. Their aim is to populate as much as possible and overrun the infidels. That's why they start marrying off the girls at age 9.

Good question. And how do they Behave with a few Beers in when their team has just won (or Lost) a local football Match.? Nev

What does a `Traditional Aussie' look like in your view?

Yeah, SOME migration ... not hoards of third-worlders making a nation unrecognizable.

Why pick Pauline out, they are all puppets and none really have any talent except for bull****. Sick of career politicians. at least she has had a real job. Gave you an example of shallow Albo is with his carrying on about the fuel reserve in 2020?. and no doing anything about it when he came to power. all muppets.

Voting is not the only way to support One Nation, there's plenty of other ways. But if they field a candidate in my electorate, I'll start voting again. Mass immigration with all it's anti everything Australian, was one of the reasons I stopped voting years ago. I could see the writing on the wall, along with millions of other Traditional Aussies. No one I talk to out here supports mass immigration, they're quite angry about it.

They had Cyclone Vaianu last week and in its wake it left a massively unstable weather pattern and the huge downpours and local flash flooding has caused much more damage than the cyclone did. Here on the NE coast of NSW it is tinder dry. The grass is now completely browned off & crunchy to walk on. We are supposed to be getting showers today & the rest of the week but nothing at all as yet with a blue sky, full sun and a lot of wind.

Rubio is better than Vance, Trump would want his Family to carry the Cult/ Kingdom Flag. The 2025 Mob will sort it. Trump Cares Nought about the Republican Party. He just USED them when it suited him. Nev

There's been speculation about who might succeed Trump when he finally goes, or who he might endorse. Vance or Rubio would be the obvious choices, but there is a view that he doesn't want anyone to replace him because he couldn't stand the thought of not being at the centre of things. I think there's some merit in that view and that he would rather take the ship down with him than have somebody else take over the Republican side. He might even be happier to see a Democrat as president than someone from his own side who would replace him as the centre of the universe in the US.

There was a recent "Grand Designs Australia" episode where plastic waste was being converted into wall panels by a Sydney company. Used only heat and pressure to create the panels - and they didn't look bad.

lt is Nev , the mind just boggles. Seems as the yanks will throw tantrums over anything, l can't believe they're not over something as serious as Chump.