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Unless you get the supreme Court to absolve you and your crooked family from any crimes you commit.

Great. Instead of funding paid positions for road workers, use prisoners to save a buck. What are we, the deep South of the US?

And "A lie travels around the world before the truth gets its boots on" Which is what liars like Trump and Pauline depend on.

To Profit from providing deliberate Misinformation is FRAUD and is a crime. . Nev

WHAT News? THAT seems extremely UNLIKELY. Nev

Anyone can, but few do. Old scandalsheet maxim: Never let the truth get in the way of a godd story.

NO one has YET said where they would rather be ( as I asked earlier on.) Surely the question is quite straight forward. IF you think Trump is BAD, Pauline is his greatest admirer outside of the US,. OME, anyone can check how WE are Performing compared with the REST of the World but that would ruin their case. Nev

I've come to the conclusion that my hypothesis is WRONG. The British did not go to Botany Bay to establish a base for agriculture and commerce. They went there to create a dumping ground to releive the congestion in the hulks and prisons which were filled with souls whose crimes we now consider to be at the lowest end of criminality. I've reached this conclusion through a bit more reading. My main source that lead me to this conclusion is the book 1788 by David Hill. (See notes below for book identification) From this book I learned thatin 1717 the British parliament passed an Act which enabled the transportation of felons to foreign shores. At that time those shores were those of the American colonies, to which some forty thousand convicts were taransported (into slavery) over the following sixty years. Convicts committed to transportatin were sold by theo goalers to the shipping contactors, who took them actoss the Atlantic and sold the prisoners to plantation owners for the duration of their sentences. In 1777, the Parliament passed the Hulk Act, which allowed for the confinement of convicts in decommissioned British naval vessels on the Thames and other English rivers and ports. This was seen as a temporary measure until the American insurrection was quashed, but those colonies were granted independence in 1783 through the Treaty of Paris. leaving Britain with no place to transport convicts to, and crowding began to get bad in the hulks. So, based on the promptings of Sir Joseph Banks that the east coast of New South Wales (as Cook named it) would be a great place, in depth plans were made to sens an advance party to establish a colony to which thousands of convicts could be sent in future. The problem with Botany Bay was/is that it is no good for agriculture. (I grew up on its shores, and I know what the soil is like - crap.) Joseph Banks doesn’t come out of it very well. He enthused about Australia as a verdant land of opportunity when (a) his own notes were less effusive, and (b) he’d seen hardly anything of the place and was only here for a week. All he had done was collect a lot of plants. He obviously knew nothing of the requirements for agriculture. If these comments raise your interest in that bit of histroy, I recommend the book to you. After reading it, you will wonder at the survival of those convicts, Marines and officials during their first few years on these Fatal Shores. You can chase up the book with these details: Author: David Hill Title: 1788, The Brutal Truth of the First Fleet, Publisher: Random House (William Heinemann) ISBN: 9781741668001

How often do we hear of any good work that our Local Member does for the electorate? As Mark Anthony was want to say, "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones." If those good works were publicised, then a Local Member would be assured of continued support.

Ah! Victoria. Abandoning the Metric Systems and going back to gangs of chains.

I suspect one root cause of the malaise, is that politics has become a business dominated by professional politicians. Their greatest motivation is a desire to keep their job and rise through the ranks. They act as though it's a game of 'say whatever it takes, to get the votes'. The electorate no longer believes anything any of them says (even the honest ones). To restore trust they will have to get the punters to start saying 'Hey, thank goodness, xxxx did this for us! '

You are having a bad day. Don't feel bad, it could be worse. Imagine running into a wall with a boner, and breaking your nose first.

Australian music legend Gary “Angry” Anderson has suffered a cardiac arrest and is in hospital under the watch of doctors.

Ben Carroll has said if Labor is re-elected, they will take care of Victoria's potholes. According to the news at 6pm, they are planning to use prisoners in road gangs.

If you like old car photos, there is a flickr.com member from Germany who has taken hundreds, and many plane photos as well. Here is a link to his photostream, and a few of his photos. https://www.flickr.com/photos/56123975@N05/with/55496851193

It's a shame people can't debate politics in a mature fashion without resorting to name calling.

Righto... All those profiting by stopping action on climate policy and fossil fuels including bankers please make a orderly queue to the right.. Just close your eyes and go through the door to your reward.. Those on the left can enjoy the view of the cliff diving.

Yes, unless the status quo gets enough of a shock, continuing to support them is like giving an alcoholic a beer in the vain hope they will give it up. It's put the Coalition between a rock and a hard place. They're losing support to One Nation and to try and counter that, they're talking about One Nation when they should be talking about Labor. The Government could end up losing quite a few seats as well. They're a very broad church these days, but the cocktail set won't get them over the line. They still need their traditional base of the blue collar worker, and that's the main demographic heading to ON. Another thing to ponder is this - Coalition voters who have gone to One Nation will not likely go fom there to Labor in the future; if they move from ON, they will most likely go back to the Coalition. On the other hand, the demographic that is deserting Labor for One Nation, would they be more likely to go straight back to Labor in similar circumstance? I'd tend to think if they've left Labor and leapfrogged the Coalition to ON, they might be tempted to go to the Coalition in the future if the Coalition came up with some appealing policies and narratives. It's a potential problem I see for Labor.

The major parties have had 125 years to get it right. In all that time you'd think they would have learned that democracy means more than just having an election every three years and then treating the electorate with contempt. They're simply not the kind of people we want governing us anymore, they've had their day, their psyches are no longer fit for purpose.

Yes, that's easy to see. So how can we motivate the ruling politicians to... 1. Listen to the electorate. 2. Take action to react to the electorate's concerns. 3. Communicate to the electorate about what action they are taking. 4. Restore the lost trust. Maybe by demonstrating that they fulfil their election promises. Otherwise, brace yourself for a local repeat of the trumpian disaster.

I think you'll find they get their information from their bank account and what is left in them after the bills are paid.. or their crumbling health services, etc. Murdich makes it easy ti fund someone to blame and someone to use to punish the incumbents. Look over here.. a PM who finally gets it and with really tiny tweaks, the protest party, Reform and his mates are imploding in the polls

It is depressing but the reality is the incumbents won't change unless it is forced on them.. And there appears only one way they will get it.

You can thank privatisation for that. User pays. A base station isn't cheap. If it doesn't make a profit over and above the install cost there, it doesn't get installed. A handful of customers will never be profitable. If you want capital city services, move to a capital city.

And where do they get their information From? Murdock and now overseas BOT's? If they checked things out Australia is right up with the best economic performers in the world. Still got triple A ratings Inflation in control Adequate fuel reserves. Just tell ME were all you whingers would rather be living right now, if it's so hopeless here. Nev