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Until the last few days, this forum has been pretty respectful between people with different political views. Suddenly, it has deteriorated. I am happy to listen to any reasoned, respectful argument.

The purpose of a good joke, is to disturb the humorless, and humour the disturbed.

Don't worry, Marty; I can still input some Jerry-isms...

The main reason for the subs and indeed, the increase in Australian defence spending and mobilisation is the threat of China taking Taiwan. The reason we got second hand ones was America can't make them fast enough. $5 billion dollars each I believe. America needs to make 2 a year but can't keep up. Probably cos China has a stranglehold on critical minerals for the development of defence assets, along with a hollowing out of manufacturing like most western countries. Australia, like the rest of the developed world, will enter a technological dark age if China takes Taiwan.

No, I think Brendan has a major anger management problem, and he needs to address that, before he can hold a respectful and courteous discussion without ranting.

They were $600 when new. I newly bought one but bought a Yamaha RT1 for similar money.

The raving you go on with Brendan, wouldn't change any thinking persons Mind. Also do we have 2 Brendans.? If so that IS confusing. Note. Saying you are Raving when you say some things is NOT the same as the sort of thing being objected to lately. No one can make you say what you have said but yourself. Ive Probably been the Most Picked upon person Here for quite a while, so I'm in a good Position to know what it's like. It's become worse than Pprune. We are Here to exchange Ideas, not have a Pissing contest. I come on Line wondering what Crap will I have to Face this time? How is THAT OK? Nev

And the shit throwing continues

Looks as though they are recoiling or maybe it's Springtime in the Rockies? Nev

Am I supposed to just put up with the crap you lot put on me

Tell me where you get the figure and show how you known it's corruption.

And rocks in them. Hail falling out of them and ice in them as well as other Planes. Don't let your Judgement be clouded. FOG is low cloud. Nev

It would be difficult to substantiate that statement. Epstein wanted people with BIG money and/or a BIG Public Profile not necessarily confined to American Shores. He wouldn't have worried enough Democrats for them as a body to get Involved with such an unpleasant Character. A consider he did NOT commit suicide. He had plenty who wanted him silenced and his writings Kept under cover. He lived dangerously. Nev

Fire levies are based on user pays. Rural property owners are wealthy people, they can afford to pay more for firefighting services, than someone living in a city apartment or house - and the farming properties are the places where the biggest fires develop, and need the biggest number of high-cost equipment. I seem to recall all the fire brigades have received hundreds of millions worth of new trucks and equipment in recent times - all due to whinging by farmers. Someone has to pay for it. I own a bare 2000 sq m industrial block in a country town, yet I still have to pay a very substantial fire levy, despite my fire loss risk being virtually zero. All the firies are running around in brand new 4WD Isuzu trucks and V8 diesel Landcruisers, I wish I could afford all the new equipment they get, on a regular basis.

Epstein's death and coverup are proof that Republicans and Democrats can work together..... if the price is right.

There was a protest against the Allan government crippling farmers with fire Levy's on the weekend in Bendigo. Are those farmers and CFA volunteers right wing lunatics too . Labour have been waging war on farmers.

Not one reply about labour corruption either. 15 billion plus. Labour voters are very selective on topics

Why can't you Labour voters listen to anything but your labour agenda. Is it because deep down you know it's a train wreck.

At it again little man . Typical of the shit I cop from you. Left wing standard behaviour.

The ON surge is understandable in one way and unexplainable in another. Sure, I'm a Queenslander and know well that ON, a Queensland based party, has always done ok in elections in this state for a small party. By ok, I mean polling numbers like 10% compared to much smaller figures in other states. But this time around, I don't know how to put it in words, except to say the shift is major going by what I'm hearing from people everywhere. By that I mean people who haven't voted that way before. If we were six months out from a Federal election, I'd be of the opinion a lot of people still aren't fully aware of what's about to hit on voting day. But we're not six months out and the two major parties have almost two years to turn things around. Not such a hard job for the government as it is for the Liberals; if they don't rebuild to a reasonably solid base in the next twelve months, they're done and dusted for sure. The last year of a three year term is almost like one big long election campaign, so the Libs don't have much time on their hands. They're still sliding down, so they have to halt that before they even have any chance of heading back in the other direction. They're probably looking for a circuit breaker but it's hard for them to get traction when they're still losing supporters and One Nation is dominating the media. If it was newspapers, you'd find mention of the Libs somewhere down the back between the sport and classified ads, while the front page is all about Albo and Pauline.

That's kind of like saying "I'm sick of this rash, I'd rather have my arms amputated."

Better turn the spell checker off Jerry, it wouldn't be the same without your unique approach to the English language.

Like you, OT, I was turned off alcohol and smokes at an early age. My grandfather was responsible. When I was a youngster, my family shared the farmhouse with my paternal grandparents. I can clearly recall my grandfather on the back verandah of the farmhouse giving me a puff of a roll-your-own and making me sick, and at another time giving me a sip of scotch, which I hated.We left the farm when I was seven, so it was before that age. I was never tempted again. My father didn't drink or smoke either. When he went to a hotel, he would drink sarsaparilla.

If you think the current crop of Federal Labor politicians are crooked and liars, you must have a short memory. Johnny Howard was a pretty good liar when it suited his aims. He took us into an unnecessary and useless War in Iraq, selling us American lies disguised as Truth. If Hanson gets any kind of power, she'd be right up there with Trump, sending all our Defence personnel and equipment to help in his unpopular, illegal, and unconstitutional Iranian War. I quoted the Hancocks, because Hanson adores Gina Hancock, takes millions from her, and thereby owes her "big-time", and would do whatever Gina insisted, such as ensuring unions were gutted - just like America, where workers rights don't exist, only continuous concessions to huge corporations. This American bloke in the video below points out how Australia is the land of robber barons, enriching themselves annually beyond the ordinary persons wildest dreams - whilst not working any harder than a lot of everyday employees. The corporate control over all over polticians is frightening - but the right wing politicians continually concede major concessions to them, thus making the everyday cost of living harder and harder for ordinary Australians. Hanson would be a pushover for corporate greed, and corporate greed drives a lot of Australia's basic problems. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/other/the-real-power-structure-controlling-australia-s-economy/vi-AA21hRmY

16 year old Mernda Aussie teen Declan was hunted by a Sudanese youth gang then stabbed 56 times and he received 66 blunt force injuries. One of Declan's African killers was released because he was deemed too young to take responsibility for murder. Sudanese gang attack.mp4

We need a big beautiful consumer affairs department, bigger than we've ever seen, and the consumers must come first. I just received two power bills from two different providers, for the same billing period. Five phone calls later, it still hasn't been resolved, each provider is blaming each other, and again, I'm having to make sense of Indians' gobbilldy English on the other end of the phone. When will we ever get a break?

One thing about Australia is that we have a political system that should work with more emphasis on representation and policy. It's designed that way, but in reality has become very presidential. Often the popularity of the leader and his/her immediate cohort can influence the voting public a lot. Look at all the leadership coups we've seen over recent years. A party won't change policy that much but they think if they bump off the leader their poll figures will bounce back. In a perfect world, the leader shouldn't matter that much, it's the policy that counts. My tip is Albo will get rolled by next year if they can't turn the slide around. They've stuck with him only because he's won two elections, or in reality, the other side threw them away. Morrison and Dutton, say no more. But if it starts to look like Albo can't win a third they'll push him out in a heartbeat.

Problem is Marty, the polls are showing us that an increasing amount of people think we've already got that.

Where is THERE exactly? People can PROMISE anything. What do you think she will actually DELIVER?. Would you buy a Used Car from any of her party so far? AND it IS HER Party. Come in Suckers. Murdock and Reinhart are laughing. . They stand to benefit for sure. No global warming in her Mind. That saves thinking which she does Little of. It's mainly copying Trump , Farage and other ultra right wing Nutters. What makes people THINK she HAS what it takes? Look how Trump fooled America, (with the Help of the GOP). Hanson is actually a nobody with 3 generations of Hate filled promises to show for it.A "would be IF she could be" for sure. Australia doesn't need this Distraction at such an Important time in history. If She's ever the Leader, she will embarrass us more that you would believe possible. She Isn't Foreman Material or even Pleasant. Nev

Yeah, unlike like highway maintenance - that's an investment!

I agree with much of what Brendan has said, The abuse of him is exceptional. Anyone reading back impartially through this thread would agree. I invite you all to do so and then think about it.

labour supporters refuse to believe anything presented to them. i guess that makes them as dishonest as the government or gullible. not sure which. i will leave the forum to you lot. anytime facthunter and onetrack are on the same forum as me it turns into a shitfight. its the worst forum i have ever come across anyway. wish i had never found it.

Speaking of common decency: "GON is a fool" "You are a fool GON" "Your a racist turd" Quotes from guess who.