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I don't think Down East is a troll and I welcome his perspective. His rebuke was based on fact. Yes, he went aggressive on it, but no one has so far disputed that fact. It is easy to blame the US for everything, but as I have mentioned on the What has Putin Done now feed, the Europeans also caved in.. The "insult", IMHO doesn't detract from his point, although I agree, we should purely play the ball and not the man. "That is complete crap".. would be better but remember, the US have different cultural norms and the term used, "you are full of it" is in context of what you have presented usually, and not a general aspersion (although, yes it cane be in certaincircumstances)- but that was predominiantly the west coast for me. East coast could be different. And I am sure some will say I am full of it now 🙂 You forgt the role the fourth pillar of government - the press - plays. The press today is increasingly partisan and and misleading in their approach, and this is the primary method of informihng the public, who are increasingly time pressed just keeping their heads above water - exactly as the politbureau want it, I would suspect. so... IMHO, is spot on and applies to others I can think of - ScoMo, BoJo, and even Putin when it was more ore less democratic in Russia for that very short window.

My entire point was that the Euro's have been constantly calling the USA warmongers for the past 50 years, but they are always the first ones to call the US President whenever there is a situation in the world that might affect their economies. They have been been neglecting their own militaries knowing that the Americans are stupid enough to keep bailing them out. The Euro's had a royal meltdown when Trump called them out for not keeping their pledge of committing a few percentage points of their GDP to military spending. The EU should be its own power. There are 29 countries in the EU and there is no excuse for them not making a joint effort to protect their economies and sovereignties. The US has done 75% of the heavy lifting in keeping the Persian Gulf open to world trade while Europeans and many other countries reap the benefits. Then the Europeans turn right around and bash Americans to appease their left wing voters. As far as my fellow Americans go, we should not be trusted any longer because there there is no continuity in foreign policy from one election cycle to the next. On top of it all, we are in a non shooting civil war right now. Might sound crazy to some but it's very true. We used to be country first.........but now days we are party first.