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  1. What do you mean, "support one nation" - you've proudly told us many times that you don't vote!
    4 points
  2. The reason why Trump is into Iran, is because we as Aussies, fail to grasp just how important Israel and the Jews are, in the American Christian Fundamentalist psyche. Israel MUST be supported at every turn, according to the majority of God-fearing Americans (and there's a lot of them, and a lot in positions of great power). The Jews are Gods Chosen people in their view, and Fundamentalist Americans believe they alone have the greatest God-given power in the whole World, to ensure that the Chosen people survive the Great Evil of the End Days - and that great Evil is Iran, and the Islamic Empires. So every attack on Israel is an attack on every American Christian Fundamentalist. So when Netanyahu says he's under attack and needs to beat back the Evil Empire, the American can only reply with, "how much help do you need, and we'll provide it for as long as you want". Netanyahu knows full well the great benefit of having both a huge Jewish influence in America, backed by Christian Fundamentalists. Trump can only see huge Trump Inc gains in resorts and hotels in any of the "conquered" areas - so he's happy to go along with Netanyahu's aims. And Bibi's aim is to devastate anyone, or any organisation, or any country that is Islamic, and threatening Israel. Remember, Bibi's greatly loved brother was killed by Islamic terrorists at Entebbe, and he harbours a bigger and longer lifetime grudge against Islamics, than the grudge that GON harbours against politicians that favour conscription. Trump is an opportunist, constantly seeking adulation and personal glory and wealth gains, and anything that helps those agendas can only be good, in his feeble mind. Accordingly, he's happy to continue to support Netanyahu's adventures into killing multitudes of "nasty" Islamics, because Trump knows that's an agenda that's got a huge level of support in America - and any "wins" over nasty Islamic terrorists (who took a couple of hundred innocent Americans hostage, and who also tortured them in 1980-82, don't forget), is a huge win for Donald. But now, the American adventure into Eye-Ran is looking a bit messy - and besides, Donny just got told his military have just expended around 11,300 VERY expensive missiles, rockets and other hi-tech armaments - and that Damned Strait is STILL blockaded! - and he's also been told, it will now take about THREE YEARS to produce another 12,000 of those very expensive missiles and rockets, just to make up their basic ammo requirements - and American arms manufactures are RELIANT on that Straits being OPEN! - because American companies are now having problems acquiring the BASICS of many arms manufacturing materials - because quite a number of those basic supply-chain materials HAVE to come through those Straits! "Here is how materials passing through the Strait impact American manufacturing: Helium for Semiconductors: Qatar, which exports through the Strait, supplies nearly one-third of the world's helium. This is crucial for cooling in semiconductor wafer manufacturing, affecting the production of computers, vehicles, and electronics. Petrochemical Inputs: The Gulf region is a hub for petrochemicals, supplying a significant share of raw materials used in plastics, polymers, and single-use packaging. Disruptions affect production and increase costs for manufacturers in these sectors. Sulfur and Fertilizer: Nearly half of all global seaborne sulfur trade passes through the Strait. Sulfur is essential for producing sulfuric acid, which is used in processing critical minerals like copper and cobalt (for batteries and jet engines). Aluminum and Steel: The Middle East accounts for a significant portion of primary aluminum production, with Gulf smelters supplying material for construction, transport, and renewable energy industries. Energy Prices: About 20% of global oil and LNG flows through the Strait. A closure causes a dramatic surge in energy prices, impacting the cost of manufacturing and transporting goods in the U.S." So....... right about now, Donny is in a BIG bind! That AWE and SHOCK attack on Iran ain't working! Those GODDAM Islamic terrorists are still beavering away, and still controlling important things like the Straits!! I reckon Donny must be looking for a quick and easy way out, and expecting some of his LOYAL associates to come up with the ANSWER! But it ain't forthcoming, and things are getting to be a little too wild for him!! This being a World Hero ain't the easy ride, he thought it would be!!
    4 points
  3. In the first Trump administration he lied over 35,000 times according to the Washington Post. Now that publication has been taken over By Amazon Billionaire Jeff Bezos it has become far less critical. There are now multiple organisations reporting and debunking his lies. In one 69 minute interview in 2024 he lied over 150 times.
    3 points
  4. It's not so much "immigration", but "mass immigration" created by the conjoined major parties. They ignored public opinion and went ahead with it anyway. Immigration was no longer included in the democratic process, and still isn't. You can have your say, but it inevitably falls on deaf ears. Things might be changing though, with the high cost of living and shortage of housing, the pig-headed major party politicians can't help but hear rumblings from nearly every sector of the broader community. Mass immigration drove me to support One Nation, that's how it affected me. I will not support or vote for parties who find it convenient to gang up against the Public for selfish reasons. They promise sweeteners at election time, but the issue of immigration is completely off the table. As the major parties lose their influence over the general public, as is happening now, we'll get a chance to gain power over them and tell them what we want, not what they want all the time. Mass immigration is not doing what it is intended to do, making us stronger, no, it is making us weaker in every respect you can think of. Why do we have a trillion dollar debt? Why do we have so much drug crime? Why is the nation split into 200 different groups with 200 different flags? Why did we have an anti Semitic "Bondi", and blocked streets full of River to the Sea people? We shouldn't go around with blinkers on. Take them off and look around.
    3 points
  5. They had Cyclone Vaianu last week and in its wake it left a massively unstable weather pattern and the huge downpours and local flash flooding has caused much more damage than the cyclone did. Here on the NE coast of NSW it is tinder dry. The grass is now completely browned off & crunchy to walk on. We are supposed to be getting showers today & the rest of the week but nothing at all as yet with a blue sky, full sun and a lot of wind.
    2 points
  6. There was a recent "Grand Designs Australia" episode where plastic waste was being converted into wall panels by a Sydney company. Used only heat and pressure to create the panels - and they didn't look bad.
    2 points
  7. 2 points
  8. The Aborigines never had flags. That's a Modern "thing". I suggest nearly ALL people think some Migration is Good for this Place. Hanson is just a $#1t stirrer controlled by Merde ock and Gina. Take your blinkers off. She has YOU fooled. GON, when Trump Falls over Like Orban Has what Idol will she Pin Her Standard to. Trumps days are Numbered. 30 years of not much is Pauline's Legacy. There's not much Talent there . she is a Puppet, obligated to others. Nev
    2 points
  9. Re tyres - the business of recycling tyres is just a small blip on the radar of the tyre industry. Every day, I see piles of dumped tyres - at truck bays, by roadsides, in isolated paddocks, anywhere where tyre dumpers think no-one will see them. It is one of the worlds greatest hidden crises, and it requires a vastly increased level of effort to deal with the burgeoning problem. As to plastic waste, I take my rubbish up to the local small landfill in the little rural town where I have my industrial block - and that local small council has major restrictions on what they will take at that landfill. They refuse to take tyres in any form, and they just take all other waste and bulldoze it into layers. Recently, they employed a large industrial shredder to reduce the particle size of the waste materials. I was extremely surprised to see that probably two-thirds of the waste in the shredded material was plastic. More effort must be put into plastic re-use/recycling.
    2 points
  10. I'd really like to see AI tackle a fatberg. But of course, there will be a mechanised robotic drain cleaner that has an AI programmed brain, which will figure out the best way to tackle that fatberg. The primary aim of senior pollies at present, should be - producing a vision, and a long-term plan, as to how our societies will function in the AI-age - where the likelihood of the concentration of massive wealth, will only increase. For too long now, we are regularly being told that wealthy people getting wealthier, simply creates more jobs for us plebs. It ain't necessarly so (says Porgy and Bess), and the sooner our senior pollies produce a plan to address wealth inequality in a fair and just manner, the better the chance we have of avoiding civil revolution. We have a modest form of that revolution starting now, as voters desert the major parties and vote for fringe parties who produce radical outbursts. And the scary part is the voters always blame the wrong people for a countrys problems.
    2 points
  11. "Truth Social" should be prefixed with "Un".
    2 points
  12. This is the second major attempt by Bartlett/7 Spotlight to get misinformation and some disinformation across to try and improve ratings. The first was a few months ago when they went through Nickel mining in Indonesia claiming it was used in EV batteries. In fact none of it was, it was all used in the Stainless Steel industry & the highlighted poor working conditions for Indonesian miners were already being addressed by the new Indonesian government. 7 had to close comments on the program within days because almost all were very negative. Pandering to the dwindling numbers of right wing fossil fuel advocates & anti EV populists is a great way to see ratings drop.
    2 points
  13. Coincidentally, I just came across this. I will post a link but here are some highlights. https://reneweconomy.com.au/wild-attack-on-batteries-and-renewables-by-7s-spotlight-program-falls-over-at-the-first-fact-check/?fbclid=IwY2xjawRSvLRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeRENsgXVWg03njVcjEv25LrV4q7XUJEVAYcOkDfurOU4zO3LDDzae9NSaOn8_aem_LVPR3uKcuhqbLOHAX9gfnA Spotlight, the so-called flagship current affairs program on the 7 network, dedicated more than an hour on Sunday evening on a report into the supply chains feeding into the renewables and EV industries, with a particular focus on cobalt mines in the Congo, and also activities in Australia. It was amplified on Murdoch and social media. It fell over at the very first fact-check. “Every battery, every electric vehicle, every piece of so-called clean energy technology today” uses cobalt, reporter Liam Bartlett claimed at the start of the program. Wrong. Nearly every big battery installed in Australia these days uses (LFP) lithium iron phosphate chemistry, which means no cobalt, and no nickel (that’s relevant because Bartlett did a similar hit job on the nickel industry last year, using that as a platform to attack EVs and renewables). Tesla, the biggest supplier to big batteries in Australia, now uses only LFP batteries for grid scale batteries. No cobalt. The two big batteries at Liddell and Tomago being built for AGL Energy by Fluence are LFP. No cobalt. A spokesperson for Fluence said all its batteries in Australia use LFP. “We don’t use cobalt.” Finland-based Wartsila, which is building the country’s biggest grid battery at Eraring for Origin Energy, also uses only LFP for its battery projects in Australia. No cobalt. It’s a similar story with EVs. Tesla, for instance, uses only LFP chemistry for most of the variants of its best selling Model Y and the Model 3. No cobalt. It uses NMC chemistry (which does include cobalt) only in “performance” variants, which amounts to about 10 per cent of sales. Home batteries, which are now being installed at record rates in Australia, are the same. New market leader Sigenergy uses only LFP chemistry, so no cobalt, as does another market leader Sungrow, and most others. Bartlett claims to be appalled by the conditions in some cobalt mines in the Congo, and the nickel mine in Indonesia. And so he should be. So should everyone. But the inconvenient truth is that these mines have been operating for decades, and cobalt has been used widely in many industries. The mineral is essential for the iPhone that Bartlett presumably uses, for the laptop he writes his stories on, for the jet engines that flew him from Australia to Africa, and for widespread use in medicine (hip and knee replacements), the petroleum industry, the manufacture of tools, for construction, for cosmetics, and even ceramics. The use of cobalt in EV and grid batteries is relatively new, and is already moving on. Where it is used, most EV makers are at pains to point out that the mineral does not come from such mines, and they produce blockchain style tracking reports to underline their claims. But Bartlett did not seem particularly interested in balance, or inconvenient detail. His story had three major themes – he doesn’t like the Chinese, he doesn’t like renewables and EVs, and he doesn’t like federal energy and climate minister Chris Bowen. “Bowen’s fanatical approach, aided and abetted by a conga line of true believers and latte-sipping Teal supporters is now set to send the country into bankruptcy,” Bartlett wrote in an op-ed also published on 7’s website. Bartlett – was global head of TV, creative visual at oil giant Shell in London from 2013-2015
    2 points
  14. I don’t see people with rooftop solar as part of the problem—I see generating your own clean electricity as a positive. If we zoom out a bit, the real issue looks different. The electricity grid we use today was largely designed and built from the 1950s through to the 1990s. It was built as a one-way system: electricity flowed from large, centralised generators—coal, gas, and hydro—out to consumers. That made perfect sense at the time, because generation technology dictated that structure. But generation technology has changed. We now have distributed energy—rooftop solar being the most obvious example—where electricity is produced at the edges of the grid, not just at the centre. I think this is where we differ. You seem to be saying (correct me if I’m wrong) that generation methods should be limited by what the existing grid can handle. I’d argue the opposite: the purpose of the grid is to distribute electricity as efficiently as possible, and that means adapting it to modern forms of generation, not restricting those forms to suit legacy infrastructure. A useful comparison is telecommunications. In the 1990s, the copper phone network was sufficient for voice calls. Then the internet arrived, and we initially squeezed it through that same copper using dial-up. As technology advanced, the limitations became obvious. We didn’t respond by saying “we must limit internet use because the network can’t cope.” We upgraded the network—eventually rolling out systems like the National Broadband Network. Electricity is no different. Rooftop solar isn’t a flaw in the system—it’s a signal that the system needs to modernise. The system was built for one-way, centralised generation. Now we’ve got distributed generation changing demand patterns. That’s an engineering and market design problem, not a reason to limit a cheaper, cleaner energy source.
    2 points
  15. This is where you lose me, with the kind of thinking that enables a fascist regime. It's the "yes Trump is bad, BUT..." thing. It's like saying "Yes Hitler was bad, but goddam it, real Germans could get a job." Trump is actively dismantling democracy in the USA. He doesn't have a single thought for the people of the US, except how to continue deceiving them so Donald J Trump and his dynasty can profit from them. The only reason Trump ever mentions immigrants (in Minnesota, which has less than most states but has a governor he hates) is to dog-whistle his white nationalist base and sow hatred and division. We don't need a Trump or any version of him. Democracy is not supposed to be exciting. It's meant to be calm, boring and safe. We are an immigrant nation, just ask the original inhabitants. If you can show me actual statistics that show that crime rates are higher among recent immigrants than those whose ancestors moved here between 40 years to 60,000 years ago, then go ahead. (Statistics does not mean sensationalist crap from Sky News or any Murdoch rag).
    2 points
  16. Rubio is better than Vance, Trump would want his Family to carry the Cult/ Kingdom Flag. The 2025 Mob will sort it. Trump Cares Nought about the Republican Party. He just USED them when it suited him. Nev
    1 point
  17. lt is Nev , the mind just boggles. Seems as the yanks will throw tantrums over anything, l can't believe they're not over something as serious as Chump.
    1 point
  18. America has a BIG Race and wealth distribution Problem. Trump can only Make it worse Plus HE wants to be the God-King of the entire World, with Monuments and tributes to Him everywhere. How can HE face the realisation of it not Working. He's the Ultimate Self Centred VAIN Control-Freak with No empathy whatever It won't be pretty to Watch but it has to happen and the sooner the Better for all our sakes.. If you wanted to start a War the ME is the Place to do it and quickly affect the whole world (including the USA). Nev
    1 point
  19. How Much Longer can the World Tolerate/ suffer his Dreadful Brainless, disruptive and self aggrandising and Murderous ACTS Surely That is the Question. Nev
    1 point
  20. A bunch of South Australian farmers moved into the "developing farm" region West of Ravensthorpe in the 1960's and 1970's. This area (roughly bounded by Ravensthorpe, Lake King, Lake Grace, Pingrup and Ongerup was the last of the "native bush" Crown Land in W.A. offered to applicants to clear and turn it into farmland on a Conditional Purchase arrangement. You could tell the South Australians in this entire area of "new land" farmers by the way they talked. They talked with a re-aal slo-oww draw-wl, compared to the locals. It was a very distinctive style of speech that became obviously fairly quickly, once you started talking to them for a few minutes. We were quite surprised at the regional differences in speech.
    1 point
  21. Thanks to my parents I'm a post war immigrant from Holland so the impact on me personally has been quite significant. Likewise, I think our family's impact on Australia has been quite significant, but that's just my opinion.
    1 point
  22. Larger companies are starting to build their own renewable power generation. Fortescue is the big one, but others including Alcoa are following suit. AGL is also building its owne 200MW generation plant (and they are typically a retailer). They don't do this if there is a better return elsewhere.
    1 point
  23. I see this making it expensive for large users who unfortunately are the employers of people. the hatched lines are the constraints for the last couple of days and I have seen it worse. By the time we add enough generation to cover the bad times, the good times are going to have a lot of oversupply. Are the generators going to just accept this or make their energy more expensive. Also shows how much smore storage we need. (SA grid)
    1 point
  24. Well there's Plenty of them around, so it could be said you are not Robinson Crusoe, there. Nev
    1 point
  25. Musk could probably pay the dollar bit from his pocket change, but doubt he could fix the international respect bit.
    1 point
  26. The UK have solar schemes, mainly for those on benefits, which allow zero or low up front costs of solar implementation One of the problems that affects me in the UK is that it is hard to get approval for solar panels on Grade 2 listed buildings.. though it is very council dependent. If I planned to stay here past the summer, then I would llook into it. But as far as I can tell all these schemes require you to still hook up to the grid. I can';t see it would take much to install a LifePO4 or similar battery; these days they are not that more expensive. Two neighbours (both unlisted buildings and one about the size and orientation of mine) have solar panels now for some time. They are off grid and the dreary UK provides enough sunlight to power their homes. Like me, they don;t have gas, so oil fires their heating and hot water; electricity everything else - which will mean in addition to the usual, we do our cooking ith electricity (BTW, once you have used induction stoves (here, called hobs), you will never go back to gas, which is somewhat noxious anyway).
    1 point
  27. Something often mentioned is that whilst those of us who have installed solar may be doing fine regarding electricity bills, this is somehow at the expense of people who can't afford solar or who can't install solar because they live in apartments or rent. This is true, and we should do everything we can to ensure equity. Many other countries are a little ahead of us in this respect. I have mentioned a few times the so-called "balcony solar (it could also be in your back garden. Although many European countries, as well as some US states, allow balcony solar. This will also soon be made legal in Britain and Australia. This technology is relatively cheap and "plug and play", no electrician required.
    1 point
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  29. But then aren't you part of the problem? You could take the ethical stand and disconnect your panels for the good of the grid. Here is the issue as I see it. Twenty years ago, we had an "old grid" which was well-suited to "old generation" methods. We now have "new generation' and an "old grid" I think you are saying we should match the generation method to the old grid. What I and pretty much every authoritative source are saying is to match the grid to the new, lower-cost sources. If we were to halt all new renewables and storage, what would we do? We could build new coal or nuclear. You must surely realise that this would be incredibly expensive, and if you think electricity is expensive now, you would not like what this would add to bills. I do actually have the predictions, and I am happy to post them. Another issue is this. What if we said no new renewables? People would still be installing solar and batteries. The technology is only getting cheaper day by day. An example I use is the system I designed and installed on my bush house in 1990. I still have the receipts for the panels. I installed 60watt panels at a cost of $595 per panel. That was a lot in 1990 dollars (adjusted for inflation, that would be $1515 today). For that price, you can now get a 700W panel. People will have an incentive to have their own residential power system to save the increased cost of building new coal or nuclear, and I suspect disconnecting from the grid might become more popular. Here, we do have some points of agreement. I believe we have to ensure some equity. As I posted earlier, balcony solar is coming. Buying into a shared panel installation is also a thing that is being done. When it comes to the new scheme to make electricity free for 3 hours a day, you will probably again say "it's not really free" I would suggest you knock on your neighbour's door and say, "if you were able to use electricity for 3 hours a day and not be charged " I suspect they would (will) love that. This scheme is taking electricity from solar panels that would ordinarily be "curtailed" and thus wasted. Surely this is a good thing. I can't think of many countries that are not adopting more and more renewables, and I don't believe this is purely for ideological reasons. Of course, there might be glitches along the way, as there have been with all developing technologies. Aviation is only safe and cheap now because in earlier times, people saw the potential and pushed on solving problems as they went. Going back to 20th-century technology is not the way to go. We can argue points back and forth here, but the point is renewables are growing, and will continue to grow.
    1 point
  30. The maximum I have seen on the wholesale market is 25 cent/kWh at between 6:30 & 7:00pm. There is no solar being produced then so it is only export from batteries that can get that much. For most of the day the wholesale export price is 5 cents maximum to negative 3 cents. The best retail solar export plans I have seen are 10 cent/kWh & that is only for the first 10kWh per day then it reduces by half but this is countered by their high kWh charges when importing.
    1 point
  31. Since Jeff Kennet Sold Victoria's Poles and Wires they haven't been Painted once. People get revved up about High tension wires and towers. IF you want Electricity distributed, you Need Power Lines at High Voltages. Nev
    1 point
  32. Baseload is a term that used to describe Coal Fired generation as it couldn't be turned off and had a very limited window of generation variation. The only people who use this now are those who are living in the past or conservative politicians who don't understand electrical generation, usage or demand. Terms like "we have to keep the lights on" and "what do we do when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" just displays their ignorance. The generation industry, distributors and anyone with a smidgen of intelligence know the problem is "Peak Demand" so we need available energy to meet this. For many countries this occurs in the middle of Winter when heating demand stresses the electricity supply but in Australia it is in the Summer when heat waves stress the network due to massive use of Air conditioning systems. Rooftop solar has had a huge impact on reducing this during daylight hours and now with large multi megawatt batteries and home batteries set up as VPPs the problems are reduced. Add community batteries and pumped hydro and other storage to the mix and we go a long way to a fully sustainable renewable energy nation. Already rooftop solar produces more energy in Australia than all of the fossil fuel energy producers do combined during the middle of the day.
    1 point
  33. Those kinds of scripts - short sentences, lots of padding, trying to build up drama are common in many internet videos. Unless I've missed something in the link, if all he said was "Let's call it what it is", then I've just wasted a few minutes.
    1 point
  34. Siso, what language are you writing in? It certainly isn't English.
    1 point
  35. I have heard that jdv has many tattoos. I'm not sure but one on his arm might be seen as evangelist crusader-ish. Which might explain a few things. From wiki;- "Deus vult is a Christian motto historically tied to ideas of divine providence and individual interpretation of God's will. It was first chanted by Catholics during the First Crusade in 1096 as a rallying cry, " Note these pics are a bit dated.... before he started using eye shadow.
    1 point
  36. I'd better read back through the thread and see where it went from the Hungarian prime Minister to pubs and beer.
    1 point
  37. It would be a BIG Mistake to think that Those running IRAN are stupid.. It's clear where the Bulk of the stupidity resides. Nev
    1 point
  38. I'm not. I hope this doesn't hurt our relationship.
    1 point
  39. I thought those small vilalges with high murder rates were only in Midsummer.
    1 point
  40. I maintain that we produce a higher grade of bullshit than AI could.
    1 point
  41. Don't worry ome, there's a reason the presenter asks the question at 0:47 in the video. They've been wrong about El Nino for the last couple of years. They told us El Nino would produce a drier than normal summer and we had one of the wettest on record, so there's hope at your place yet.
    1 point
  42. So.. what you're saying is that the shareholders of your company will save $43m, but 95 people won't get work. And a good slice of that $43m will go to the top execs as bonuses for claiming credit for your ideas. Would that be accurate?
    1 point
  43. Vance should be known as Kiss of Death Vance. This week, JD Vance had two jobs: get an Iran deal and keep Hungary's Viktor Orban in power. Neither happened for the US vice president. Then there was his visit with Pope Francis, who died a few days later. And he's the default President if Chump carks it?
    1 point
  44. I didn't realise Kharg Island (red pin) was almost 850 km from the Strait of Hormuz.
    1 point
  45. The US is in the Middle East because of the oil. The US supports Israel because of the influential Jewish lobby in America. There is no doubt Israel is threatened by its neighbours in the region and needs to protect itself, and it does this very effectively by preventative maintenance - striking first. America’s support and weapons are crucial in this although they also have a large defence industry themselves. America’s dependence on Middle Eastern oil has reduced almost entirely in recent years because they have figured out how to extract their shale oil and rob Venezuela. They are still interested in the Gulf oil because it’s essential to their global competitors which includes their allies.
    1 point
  46. I agree with that. He certainly didn't go into it for Netanyahu or Israel. He went into it for himself because he thought the Iranian leadership would fold in a couple of days and he'd be famous as the President who had the nerve to take on the Iranians and show the world how weak his predecessors were. He wanted the world to applaud how smart and amazing he is. All he's managed to do is demonstrate how vain and stupid he is.
    1 point
  47. Maybe I am giving Chump too much credit - but I seriously doubt if there was enough internal opposition, he would have pursued. He as chickened out well before it got to implementation (of tariffs) before. Maybe Net gave him the oil idea; maybe there was some other US internal people driving it. I juyst don't think Chump would have gone in purely with Israel's interests at heart.
    1 point
  48. Given both you and I are not privy to the communications between the main players, I respect, but don't necessarily agree with your opinion. I will accept they don't want the war to stop - unitl there is realregime change in Iran that will help bring peace to the region. But I am not sure Chump really cares what Israel think beyind them being a useful pawn in whatever game he is playing at. Why would he treat Net any different to anyone else?
    1 point
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