nomadpete

Everything else Marty said already applies to our current politicians. They have communications teams, speech writers, media experts, are heavily dependent on, and guided by, their unelected staff. In due course, once the oligarcs have dissolved democracy and implemented their corporate dictatorships, this debate will be forgotten.

You are going soft now. I never thought you'd have so much sympathy for them.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. It would leave us with government run by hobby politicians..... Or more likely by oligarcs, in their spare time!

Maybe wrong thread for this, but.... Russia has been creeping up and reenforcing positions near Polish and Finnish borders Neither China or Russia nor America can be trusted and have been the enemy of peace since the end of the last World War when they all began their land grabs.

Just love Rosie's videos!

OMG, they allow wimmin to do anything these days! Anyway. Just you wait until you get your wind farm. Especially in summer. Every wind farn I visit has got a nice cool breeze comming off them big fans!

I am agonising over buying our 'last car'. Not counting possible mobility scooters. Almost every car I've owned has been an old car when I bought it. Disappointed that my previous post didn't even arc up Nev. But it was only half in jest. We are already making cars nowadays that last way way longer than the 'old'' ones. And we have already shown that any well built car can last 100 years (with proper maintenance). And we are not likely to make many further engineering improvements in crash safety, teaction, or suspension. So why not make cars last a lifetime?

You mentioned nutters before. Is that the full list?

Sorry to be dissecting your post, but I am trying to get down to a useful conclusion about why not the Greens?... Although I have heard the above sentiment from others, and sometimes said similar myself, most really can't list all these BAD policies for me. Well that's what we all agree that's what gets votes for ON + Clive. But not working for Greens? But also don't like the major party's politics, either. Well, we all see a lot of nutty politicians in ALL parties. Disagree there. Greens have been bumping along the bottom for ever. Not likely to peak. Totally true. But we are accustomed to major partys doing that fairly often, too. After I started typing, others have touched on similar. I am puzzling how we can break out of this BTBD cycle before we follow the USA path. (BTBD = Burn The B Down and start afresh)

But But You are assuming the voters will engage in logical reasoning....... Hanrahan was right.

To save the world from pollution, I'd mandate that no person be allowed to purchase more than one vehicle in their lifetime. At present, cars are expected to be replaced every couple of years and the industry is geared up to make cars that quickly go out of fashion. We could save enormous amounts of manufacturing energy and massively reduce CO2 And other pollutants) produced by unnecessary duplication of product. It would encourage better quality engineering and construction. The modern motor car is now close enough to the pinnacle of its development.

Nobody is really disputing all the above. The problem is that the rest of the big party politicians are tarred with the same brush. And often enough it is sufficiently true to drown out any good they actually do.

I suspect one root cause of the malaise, is that politics has become a business dominated by professional politicians. Their greatest motivation is a desire to keep their job and rise through the ranks. They act as though it's a game of 'say whatever it takes, to get the votes'. The electorate no longer believes anything any of them says (even the honest ones). To restore trust they will have to get the punters to start saying 'Hey, thank goodness, xxxx did this for us! '

Yes, that's easy to see. So how can we motivate the ruling politicians to... 1. Listen to the electorate. 2. Take action to react to the electorate's concerns. 3. Communicate to the electorate about what action they are taking. 4. Restore the lost trust. Maybe by demonstrating that they fulfil their election promises. Otherwise, brace yourself for a local repeat of the trumpian disaster.

You can thank privatisation for that. User pays. A base station isn't cheap. If it doesn't make a profit over and above the install cost there, it doesn't get installed. A handful of customers will never be profitable. If you want capital city services, move to a capital city.