Not once have I claimed that Melbourne was under SIEGE OR that the crime rate was out of CONTROL or higher than anywhere else,,,these are your words put in by you too substanciate your lefty argument If you will scroll back through my posts on this thread and find where I had used any of these words in my postings I,ll apologise ,,,BUT as that is not the case you once again have proven that as do the left media and you,,, that you will use your own words and blatently state that someone who isn't agreeing with you SAID..those words as you just did......................................THESE ARE FACTS about what you just wrote.............And to say untrue Quotes to justify your argument is lying and precursor to libel and I await your apology Octave,,,,,,