Jerry_Atrick

Still haven't had a lot of time to watch the clips, but it was interesting today in an AI round table at work, the first question was will we be all dead by 2030.. and a lot of the discussion focused an AI agent collaboration, which is what happened in the Hugging Face issue. However, something I thought up is a threat I have not seen yet. At the moment, we are saying that when AI puts everyone out of work, a living wage will have to be paid and those that are concentrating the wealth will eventually have to pay their fair share of tax.. they will be the only ones who make revenue. But does that necessarily transpire? If AI can synthesise human behaviour, what is stopping AI to synthesise the economy - i.e. consumers, etc. and excluding humans entirely? AI agents will be able to operate the information economy and generate demand, etc. If they are paid according to their achievements, experience, and qualifications, then what is stopping them acting like humans and in varying degrees participating in an economy that works for them, generating revenue, income, taxes, etc. This will require what one of the vids refers to recursive learning, which is I think a little further ahead than that vid alluded to. But once that nut is cracked... ouch... I didn't raise it in the round table as for some reason the discussion of impact in employment was more optimistic than I think and it is at this moment a far fetched scenario.. but not impossible.. I am sure someone has thought of it before. but i have missed it.

In all honesty, because I took time out to watch the Hawthorn/Brisbane game, I am unlikely to get a chance to look at it until next weekend. But once I have seen it, I will opine - and that opinion may be I need to do more of my own research!

This week, I decided to stay in London two nights instead of one for my commute as I hadn't ridden in for a while and wanted to ease myself back into the commute: This is my autumn/winter route as the shorter route is all A roads except for the last 50 or so ks and I don't like the idea of a much larger chance of bumping into wildlife. So, on Monday night at around 7:30pm I took off on that route and headed for a motoway services Travelodge in Heston, which is on the M4 a little close to London than Heathrow. It is probably closer to the vertical red line on the left than the red mark on the right, but somewhere between the two. I got there at around 10:30 from memory, but I was taking it easy. Up at 5 and on the bike at 5:30, was in the office by about 6-ish. London has 20mph limits everywhere except the A4 (which is a continuation of the M4) - at least until Earls Court (used to be the Antipodean capital of London), where everything turns 20. It is probably the most exceeded speed limit in the world, except where the speed cameras are. Even the buses usually do around 30 - at least at that time of the morning. On the Wednesday evening, I intended to leave the office at 5pm sharp, but as usual, something came up, and I didn't get out of it until about 9:00. I had to stop for fuel, so left it as late os possible as the bike only has about a 170 mile range for "normal" motorway riding. Filled it up with as much as it would take, and I was off. The traffic out of London, which pre-covid at that time of day would still be solid, was flowing nicely. I was on the A4 and M4 in very good time. Then it was the long slog to Bristol. But, I had to stop at a services just east of Swindon as the old bladder ain't what it used to be. Feeling a bit peckish, I had a chocolate bar as all the fast food outlets had closed, and the WH Smith food looked decidedly unappetising to me. Back on the bike, and a car overtook me at a great rate of knots, so I decided to follow it.. we were averaging 90 (except at speed cameras around Bristol). I figured he will light up any deer (although it was really too late in the night for them to be a problem) and he will brake if there are police on the side of the motorway. As it happened, he turned left at Bristol to join the M5 and head south. Excellent. In the M4 and M5 immediately around Bristol, there are speed cameras, so it was slower, but once outside them, the driver of the car sped up, so I followed. He turned off at Bridgwater which meant I only had one junction to go to Taunton where I turned off. I slowed down as the motorway side barriers, which generally seem to keep deer off the motorways are patchy at best.. although I am yet to see a dead animal on the side of a motorway like you see on A roads which don't have the barriers... I nipped in behing a car doing slightly less than 70mph, turned off at Taunton, and arrived at home at midnight on the dot. It was a great ride. I have to do a camera setup one day.

I read Albo is promoting a nuclear non proliferation type agreement for AI development between USA and China at the UN.. Hmm not long after it was suggested here. Is Albo getting his policy ideas from these great fora? 🙂 The above is really interesting and tech bros wouldn't be the first and won't be the last to buy favourable regulatory treatment. It isn't right or fair, but that is life. Interestingly, from a legal perspective, at least in Aus and UK, the calling by the owners/controllers of AI for moderation or slowing of AI due to its potential dangers can be seen as admission of holding something dangerous and could well backfire. And if it escapes and causes harm by those who own it or have control over it (and saying it has got that dangerous or evolved so they lost control is no defence), they accordingly to the principles laid down in the case of Rylands v Fletcher, which is taught in High School legal studies, they will be strictly liable for it. Of course that case dealt with dangerous substances escaping from the land, but it has been successfully applied to other cases of dangerous items causing damage. This should be no different.. And given most US states are common law based (Louisianna being the Exception as a French colony) and, like Australia, often rely on older English cases for legal principle and law, they should actually keep shtum. The word processor defence is a furphy. We don't ask a word processor a question and it provides an answer without any further input from us; we simply see what we type. However, AI companies now footnote most of their initial responses with a caution that AI responses may be wrong. They may well do better to protect themselves by making sure that those disclaimers are much more prominent.

Glad its over with. Hope the recovery goes well. Hospitals should allow a BYO Food option, or maybe a deliveroo service.

Well, that is my Saturday deflated. Good win to the Lions against the Hawks in the prelim today. In all honesty, the better team won, as when they put the jets on in the third quartert, the Lions were unstoppable. They would have had less legs than the Hawks as the Hawks had a week off. Still, for the Hawks, so close, yet soooooooo far...

A little thread drift, but an associate member of the EU hasn't been defined, so knowing the EU it may take a very long time, although the desire to move away from the USA may speed things up a little. But there will be hurdles. There are three freedoms that are preserved across the EU: movement of capital, movement of goods/services, and movement of people. Will these have to be included in an associate membership? If so, then your control of immigration from any EU country goes out the window. So, given Australia's very tight grip on immigration compared to other countries, the preservation of this free movement may well be a problem. The EU will need to think about things very carefully. There sort of is already associate membership - it is the European Economic Area. It allows Iceland, Norway, and Lichtenstein to basically be in the EU without being in the EU, and they are required to comply with most of the obligations of the EU. Yet they don't get to vote on the EU rules they need to comply with. Switzerland has a similar arrangement through a bilateral agreement. And of course, after the messy divorce, there is this country called Britain, which tried it's own bilateral deal, but all was offered was Switzerland's deal. So, the EU has some existing memberships and deals, that if they give special treatment to Canada in this Associate Membership status, might peeve off a couple of these others, and may trigger a whole round of renegotiations of these arrangements. And given the rising anti-EU sentiment within the EU and the rising right, if Canada gets some sort of cushy deal, well, there will be individual countries coming under pressure to leave the EU and join a cushy deal, too. Outside of a free trade agreement or similar type of bilateral arrangement, I can't see this one being negotiated and agreed upon anytime soon. These are not insurmountable problems, but the political risk for the EU is very much there.

Not the only cynic:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy3pq5ywyo There are the first steps of Canada and EU becoming very close by Canada becoming an associate member of the EU. What that means, I am not sure, but Chump's reaction was yet another tantrum. Howver' Carney's speech to the EU was priceless as it basically was the most polite sticking up of two fingers I have seen. go to 3:10 of this video: Of course, Chump came out with threats and basically throwing his toys out of the pram. But, the USA doesn't need Canada nor Europe, so he really shouldn't care.

Good point.. that still provides 66 per shift... which still seems high. Hardware doesn't fail that often and it will have fail over redundancy; and can later be swapped out.. so i was still being generous with 20 hardware and network engineers.. In addition, if there is a catastrophic failure, requests will be handled by other sites. And of course what is the balance of full time v part time. I still think 200 full time employees is on the high side to be directly employed at the site to give the region the boost it claims to. I have been to data centres and there aren't many people around

I am not sure how that translates to pilots having to undergo more rigorous foreign conversion process than a doctors.. but I may be missing something

200 ongoing jobs seems a bit high unless they include indirect employment. The compute side can be remotely managed; there would need to be a number of hardware and network engineers - probably in the order of 20; 180 maintenance and security people with a few admin staff seems high.. but i guess they are large sites

I think I do have a clue of airline pilot conversions and ongoing checks.. We are talking about recognition of foreign qualifications and I would suggest you have no idea of what it takes for a doctor (especially consultant) to be able to practice in Australia when qualified overseas if you think an airline pilot undergoes a more rigorous approach. Let's stop the personal attacks and pissing match baits. And yes, I would like both professions to be rigorously assessed before being allowed to practice.