Jerry_Atrick

I agree with your post of which I quoted an extract. In your case, it is perfectly fine. In other cases, such as my mother who lives in a country town outside of Melbourne, it is very high risk - not the valid emails - but the phishing. I reiterate, these are becoming increasingly sophisticated and even tech savvy people fall for them from time to time. In my mother's case, I have imposed on her a rule to contact me or my brother before clicking any link she thinks is valid. There are millions like her in different demographics. What about those who live independently, but are metnally challenged, etc. There was an article in The Age or the Guardian a few yers ago where an IT journo unwittingly got scammed and he or she admitted she should have known better. I get all of the economics and the decline in mail. However, a govenment isn't about efficiency first - to suggest it is, is a furphy. And let's be frank, neither are large corporations. My point is it is not right to force a method of delivery - allow people to opt in - no probs. But the system is not safe. It has been implemented by the organisations safely in the way you describe, but that does not stop the scammers using to to scam people with far more success than is reported in the media. When the technology is safe enough, then great - force everyone to use it. My term about laziness wasn't people are lazy. But we rush into new convenient methods without thinking through the consequences. Australia is trailblazin as is the UK with what I think are sensibly targeted controls - a balance of protecting the rights of communications through the internet but curtailing the worst of it. It has taken how many years, in the face of those vociferous voices promoiting no internet censorship in th epursuit of free speech. In 2000, I argued in a forum that the internet had morphed into another mass media distribution channel and that, like TV, radio, newspapers, and the like, where moral-based censorship applied that still allowed free speech, the internet should be subject to such controls - with an opt in based on people who could verify their age (I suggested credit card or optical recogniton of official government docs wold suffice). This would allow the ISP to unblock traffic to their client and their client assumes responsibility at that stage. The team promoting non-censorship[ raised the government oppression argument, which I agree with, but also put the responsibility on the parents of parental control, which I totally disagree with. Even today, there is evidence that a massive majority of people do not understand the technology sufficiently to adopt practices to protect children from harmful content, and neither have the knowledge, resources, or time to continually monitor. The UK parliament decided to not require an opt into adult content, however, required the telcos to strengthen the parental controls they could adopt at the ISP level. This omitted one big issue - VPNs - which allow circumvention of these controls. A friend of mine, who works in a similar space to me, was heartbroken when he leaned his sone was addicted to porn - and some not great aspects of it from an early age of around 14, despite deplying ISP based and local parental contol software. Kids are clever with tech and his son used all sorts of circumvention However, if the ISP had have blocked all of this sort of content and blocked VPN TCP/IP packets, his child may have grown up without the affliction. I am far from an expert on cybersecurity. We have dedicated teams and I would be paid a lot more than I am if I were an expert. But we received mandatory training and I try and keep myself well read in the area. I don't, as a habit, store documents on the cloud for a few reasons. Firstly, I think they are generally secure - but only as secure as anything else. Cybercrime is not the dark-hooded chap crackign passwords - it relies in the weakest links - software and human vulnerabilities. Therefore, Cloufd storage, IMHO, is as vulnerable as any other organisation - except they do our quite a bit of money into cybe protection. But recently, both Amazon Web Services and Microsoft Azure werehacked causing outages.. so that speaks for itself. The other thing I don't like about it is that despite assurances, I don't trust these organisations to not snoopp on my stiff, use it to train artifical intelligence models (to their risk with my stuff), and, probably with the exception oif Apple, provide a back door to law enforcement. Not that I have anything to hide per se. I use all local storage except for some photos and I pay Drop Box a small subscription if I want to share files/data. I use NAS disk array for backups, firewalled so that only a certain set of machines machine on my network should be able to access it.

I am not saying that we shouldn't tranistion to email. Most things sich as the sharing of engineering plans, and even tax returns, etc, are fine because even if they are intercepted, big deal. I have never met my accountant and when the books are submitted, they become public record anyway. Maybe ASIC charges a fee, whereas UK Companies House doesn't, but for a small chunk of change I can find out most of what I want to for any company or sole proprietor (and anything in between). My argument is that email is still not secure enough to force people to use it, even when the actions are performed though secure online services for some things - such as official government business and financial transactions. You're quite right. I didn't say snail mail entirely protects. What you didn't mention is that email phishing fraud really, really dwarves stolen letter fraud - so the chances of it are happening are quite low. And while the "success" rate of snail mail fraud is higher, the overall lost to fraud this way is significantly lower as well. Also, I couodn't find any data, but I would imagine that the success rate of letter fraud is dropping two for two main reasons: Firstly, with direct debit/BPAY, secondly,. most people these days that pay a recurring bill probably have the payee details stored anyway, fourthly (not sure about Australia), when paying new payees, you have to enter the account name, whether it is business or personal and the bank BSB and account and if they do not match, you are warned to check the bill. Also, if they decide to say up the bill significantly to increase their return, the utility company or whoever is likely to receive a phone call. And it is a lot of faff for the perpetrator. They have to steal the mail, scan the document, make the change, stuff the envelope making it look not tampered and deliver it again as the stamp has been stamped. In terms of the advice to send the bill to you electronically - it is good advice. Except for two things. Firstly, there is Business Email Compromise, which takes two forms. First, the hacker gets control of the email servers of the business and adulterates the email, as per this poor couple falling victim to: https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/hope-and-tom-paid-250-000-to-secure-their-dream-home-then-nearly-lost-it-all-20251104-p5n7pr.html The other is where a sniffer reads the email and attachment, makes the changes and immediately sends out a revised email, apologising for the mistake of payment details in the original email. If you want your physical bill untampered, yes, get it sent electronically. I agree. But, now you are expecting emails from that company, and there will inevitablly be a phishing email calling people to urgent action because of an imminent account closure or to validate or cancel an unusual transaction. And most people should ignore any links and log into their accounts, but sadly, even savvy people whose circumstances led to a lapse of concentration or the scammers merely put together some situation that coincidentally is very similar to the victims own at the moment, and in a lapse of concentration, they have clicked the link, divulged their credentials and their account has been drained in the blink of an eye. So, you may be stiffed $100 or so for your monthly electricity bill - once - and if you don't use BPAY or you ignore the payee being dfifferent to the banks record. I know of one person who had over £10K drained from their account. They eventually got it back, but ultimately we collectively pay. And my point is, at the moment, to default to receive snail mail for financial transactions, but allow people to opt into pure email. They either recognise and mitigate the risks, or they ignore them, or they choose not to. Despite the risks of mail theft and fraud, the risks around email at this point in time are much higher. And therefore, I would suggest the advice given by Victoria Police Mail Delivery and Security, aboive, is narrowly framed and does not take into account all of the risks. Well. I dunno.. I am normally happy to have their tops disrobed, but untitting sounds gruesome to me.

I agree... you can't avoid Chinese made.. I would still prefer the marketplace profit go to a non-Chinese outfit, though. Where I can buy non-Chinese, I do.. And yes, I check first.

I have been an Amazon customer since 1999 or thereabouts. I recall my first purchase. It was for the UK version of MYOB - an Australian accounting software package, which today, seems the easiest and best to use. Aussies do lead the world in practical software design - or did. It was super cheap, but after not receiving it for a week, I logged onto Amazon and used their site to raise a query. They refunded me that same day. A week later, the software arrived (it must have been posted from Aus). I raised a query to say I received it and was happy to pay. The response was their terms have performance agreements, and for this product line, the performance was not met, so even though I eventaully got it, it was on the house. I am sure this costed MYOB whatever revenue they made from it, but it also would have costed amazon the payment transaction fees, etc, unless their terms required MYOB to pay it back. Regardless, this received an A+ for caring for the consumer from me. And I have used them for most of my shopping since. Not because of the concenience, but because I know if something goes wrong, they are usually going to fix it, which I cannot say the same for other bricks and mortar retailers and other e-tailers. That was their value add. They did go through a period where their customer service fell, but I guess revenue started to decline, because it has picked up since. Like Octave, I am mindful of not wanting to continute to billionaires fortunes, and these days, because of the decline of the high street, the potential for virtual monopolies to develop, and Amazon's recent bad press on worker treatmnent. I direct my cash to other businesses as well. I try and buy from the local high street, but in Taunton, it seems daily that options reduce due to closures, unless I want a tattoo, vape, or a Turkish Haircut; none of which interest me. I now use UK e-tailers, but to be honest, they just don't do it as well. My aviation medical examiner sent me a link to Argos (UK bulk retailer now focusing more on online sales). The monitor he suggested was not in stock at my two closest stores, and I would have had to travel about 50kms to get to the nearest one in stock. Instead of saying collect next day at the nearest store or have it delivered (if obviosuly wasn't in a central warehouse). I thought not sending ot between stores was a little lacking as other e-tailers I use (Screwfix for building supplies, for example) will have an item out of stock delivered to the nearest store next day - even when out of stock in the central warehouse. So, Amazon got the revenue in this case. And I am expecting it today - new years day. I avoid Temu, Alliexpress and Co.. and anything Chinese where I can. I have for a long time spent my money on, as much as possible, a principalled basis and I try not to support regimes that artifically go for economic domination while at the same time opress human rights. I have seen first hand how these econimies work (think UAE) and it is shocking. f it means I pay more and have less, so be it.No one's perfect, and as I said, I am uncomfortable with Amazon's bad press lately on worker treatment. But they have made moves to address it at least, and I know someone senior in Amazon in the US who gives me some comfort it is slow progress but real. I can't say the same about China and other places. We purchased a motorcycle for my son last week (comes end of next week). We rather took a second hand, near new Japanese bike over a new gleamy Chinese bike that was probably 2/3 of the price of the bike we bought. I'll die poorer, but content that I minimised directing resources lagainst my principles. [edit] Oh, China ius using its clout to force tarrifs on Aussie beef as I type. Another reason to minimise my spend enriching a far more pernicous regime than Chump's..

A lot of government business is done digitially (online) these days in the UK as well. Most of it does not require a letter to be delivered, but the government still posts letters - reminders if you will. Some stuff is sent out via email, too. For example the UK has a separate TV tax to pay for the BBC (called a TV licence). As I recall I opted out of paper reminders and I get thw two I have to pay for by email. I am comfortable getting them by email as I have pretty good anti-scamming defences in place. I am not sure elderly, younger, or less diligent adopt the same approach. At the moment, other government services - even reminders by snail mail don't have an opt out of receiving paper based correspondence. His Maj's Revenue and Collections (HMRC), the DVLA (government road authority), and a hist of others will send correspondence via snail mail, and you have a chouce to satisfy the givernment business online or offline. So, yes, they are done digitally. But, they offer the service "manually" as well.. which with today's technology is largely automated from teh receipt of the form, anyway - well except for handwriting like mine. The problem I have with being forced to receive email is it is a scammers paradise. Sophisticated phishing scams presented as authentic emails (and SMS) from HMRC and other government departments have untittingly cost billions in stolen money, because people click the link in the email (or SMS) that takes them to very well imitated sites where they enter their credentials and before you know it, their accounts have been siphoned or their identity sold on. Because, for these scammers, they have already automatically logged onto the real system with your details before you realise it was a fake site. Yes, letters have their downsides - I have said that in my first post. Sadly, for Australia - not getting delivered ort being deliverered very late seems a common theme. Although the Royal Mail was privatised, it still is held to high standards and is seen as a very reliable service. So, as I said, it is horses for courses. But, one of the things post is good for is reducing the occurence of this style of scamming. It is expensive to send lettets - especially since privatisation - but because the success rates of phishing is very low, the net result is likely to be a cost to the scammer - not a profit - so they don't bother. Contrast email - especially since very few people are on encrypted and secure email - once I have the digital assets to accurately impersonate the site - which is not expensive - gooing phishing is cheap - how much does it cost to send a few billion emails? Probably the cost of one postage stamp here. Yes, snail mail is expensive at point of use.. but at what cost later? I am not sure about Australia, but here the law or at least the code of conduct is that banks will reimburse money scammed from customer accounts (after proving it was a scam - and some banks are worse than others). If it is the same in Australia, don't complain about the account fees you get.. everything has to be paid for at some stage. I am not against the dropping of snail mail, but email is a horribly insecure method of communication. Using simple packet sniffers, the vast majority of emails can (and probably are) easily read by anyone. No doubt, Kali Linux has some tool that makes it even easier than masterin TCP/IP to get at your email. I think snail mail should be an option for official government business unless the user opts out after being explained the risks, as they accept (or choose to ignore) the risks. People are naturally lazy, and email is quicker and easier. For 99% of correspondence, that is probably not an issue, but for formal correspondence, it can be,. Banks here and in Europe send emails, but never provide a link, nor provide attachments. The email will tell you to use your app or log into online banking. Same with utilities and other businesses. And they are forever sending emails to remind us never to click on their links. Yet, people receive an email looking authentic saying their accoutn will be closed unless they confirm a transaction - and click here to confirm... and they click. I agree with everything that is efficient and beneficial of using email over snail mail.. but I am not convinced the security has been properly addressed and we are paying for that downstream.

Here's a random thought... Happy new year everyone.. Hope it is a good one!

My point is, though, that the government letters - e.g. tax demands, welfare info updates, etc ig being done electronically, may open up a pandoras box of phishing based scamming and unless the government have dep-loyed lots of education and safeguards, there may be an adjustment period where someone had better have the resources to repay victims of fraud... It is only an anecdotal premonition, of course.

Obviously the article thows up a lot more questions than it answers. And of course. snail mail is subject to similar issues. The problems I see are that individual email servers can be configured differently, and, although I guess a lot more reliable than snail mail, issues of reliability have to be questioned. For example, the execution of legal court documents - how does one prove the receiver received it. I know summons are served by bailiffs, couriers, and the like, but lesser documents are usually done by mail. Where there is no physical recording of receipt (I can set up my own mail server which will contain my email address and switch off delivery receipts for example). Forgery of emails is stupidly simple. I can forge the email I receive or purported to send. Who did the forgery - the sender or the receiver? Unlike paper copies (which can too be forged, but a lot easier to pick up), there is no definitive record unles someone deploys a stsndard of file system protection (of which the standard's name I forget). How does this help scammers. While personal letter usage has undoubtedly dropped off the charts, all government and most financial services correspondence is done by snail mail. You will sometimes receive notification to expect the snail mail and to not treat it as junk mail. This means those scammers that phish via impersonating government departments - for example the nations revenue service - will have a field day; anbd it will be the more vulnerable to fall prey to it. Of course, I am sure there are answers to the questions, but I don't trust bureaucrats nor corportate types to think of them until it starts happening.

That is dangerously cool!

Dang it.. although put on my Christmas wish list, it didn't come. I think I can read it on Kindle Unlimited. Anyway, I haven't ridden the bike much since the first major commute.. It seems as I have got older, the faff about putting on the kit to go riding has become more of an impediment compared to the convenience of jumping into a car than it used to be. I am also guessing living an an uncongested part of the world and down narrow country lanes also helps the car in the mode of transport selection. But, I have had a couple of rides since.. all local and mainly for shopping. The correct plate for the topbox finaly arrived and has been installed. The topbox fits neatly and has been put to good use for Christmas shopping, including picking up the turkey (I severly dislike turkey as an eating meat). I noticed the brake light wasn't being activated when operating only the front brake. I bought a £5 replacement part from eBay, but needn't have bothered. One of the wires came off from the original switch and it was clear a bodge job of a rair on that cable had been done. With the storm guards fitted, it was a pain to fix, but I finally managed to properly connect the broken wire, solder it, and seal it, and it is as good as new. On Sunday, the wx was fantastic - sunny, 8 degrees C, little wind, so I gave it a bit of a ride around town. I was also testing out a camera mount that bolts to the windscreen, but it is too unstable even for image stabilisation. One of the things the deer crash taught me is have a dash cam or similar going. I have also noticed the mechanic seems to have overfilled the oil. I will take a reading tomorrow in accordance with the process stipulated in the owners handbook, and if so, it will be off to the shop to get them to drain some of the oil. The stator in the CBF1000A only likes it when the oil quantity in within the right range.

What was wrong with knowing where the filler cap was located before getting in the car. I had no idea about the arrow/bowser indicating where it was. Never had a problem locating the filler cap yet.

I take your point on the off road learning.. and I also think, for example, spins and probably basic aeros or at least upset prevention and recovery training should be taught as part of the PPL syllabus. But syllabus content is not the question. I was using scooter as an example of a bike a 16 tear old can ride. A 16 year old with a CBT (learners permit) can also ride a 125CC bike, of which wheel size (except for width of cheaper ones) is comparable with bigger bikes. Mind you, it is more the behaviour of the riders than the size of the wheels they are on that is the issue. My stepfather happily rode a C90 to and from work in Melbourne and the only times there were problems were other drivers or himself.. and those darned tram tracks. I happily rode my 11bhp CG125 around London and even on the motorways - although it was embarressing being overtaken by laden tippers on uphil sections... Although I can see there could be situations where not having enough power coiuld be dangerous, in the c. 6 months daily riding in all conditions before going onto the unrestrcited licence training and taking the test on a Kawasaki ER5 and moving straight to the VFR750, I never encountered any such situation.

Probably should start another thred... I don't intirinsically disagree as things are rarely black and white and we should try and cater for individuals where possible. And I agree that a blanket CC limit is futile - the pre-2011 unrestricted Aprilia RS125 could easily hit 170kph... But so can many of the approved Vicroads LAMS models. The BMW G650GS is onme approved bike... According to Google it also has a top speed of 170mph. The difference is that in a larger bike, the torque usually provides much better acceleration and smoolther ride, masking the feel of speed to inexperienced riders. Also, in the UK, it is nto a blanket 125cc limit. The bike cannot exceed 14.6bhp.. period. The other thing to bring into the equation is that the risk of an inexperienced rider having a crash, if insurance data is at all reliable is a lot higher than that of experienced riders. Even if the power/weight ratio is the same, the consequences on a heavier bike have the potential to be much higher than a lighter bike thanks to Newton's second (force = mass x acceleration) and 3rd law (every action has an equal and opposite reaction). Collisions will by definition be subject to greater force if the mass is greater. I would be surprised if too many learners would think bigger bike such as a G650GS, let alone a Pan European or Triumph Trophy is going to be light or zippy as a scooter. In the UK, you have to take the test on the class of bike your licence level permits you to ride. Before you are permitted to ride a class of bike on the road, you have to have experience and proved you can safely handle it. Admittedly, the classes are probably too narrow.. For the driving environment in the UK, which is very different to Australia, except probably for some inner city suburbs such as Port Melbourne or Brunswick, I think a 125CC/14.6bhp bike is generally too small even for a 16 year old (let alone the 18 year old minimum in Vic - at least it was 17 years and 9 months when I did it). I think, for the UK, a 250cc of the ilk of a Honda CB250 would be adequate. In Australia, where the closed ion congested environment is by far the minority of the driving environment, LAMS seems more appropriate. I liken it to flying. Very few start ab initio training in a complex fast single (I understand Cirrus has a program). Most start in a light and simple beast, albeit rarely nippy; get familiar with the basics and progress.

I have to admit.. sometimes aftert the long rides I do, to stretch the legs a bit, I let them dangle as I come to a stop. As I am of shorter stature, there is little risk of them inadvertently contacting the tarmac until I want them to.

When I first got my motorcycle learners permit in Vic in the early 90's, there was a blanket 250cc limit for learners. Given the nanny state Victoria is, I was surprised to see what the current rules are with repect to LAMS. I am not entirely convinced it is applicable here for a few reasons: I am not convinced sticking a 16 year old (that is the age you can get a learner permit here) on a heavier machine even if limited to 46bhp is a great idea. Many of their bodies, although better than mine no doubt will not be used to hurtling a biogger machine in traffic, pedestrians, etc. They are basically expected to come off their bikes and handling the heavier machines to me sounds not like a great idea. There are plently of low top-end (bhp) bikes with ooldes of bottom end (torque). Yeah, they may not be able to get to 100mph, but they can get to speeds awfully quickly. Do they have enough experience to manage twitchy throttles and not cause mayhem. The UK ia 1/33rd the size of Australia with over twice the population. Outside of dual lane A roads and motorways (of which learners are not allowed on the latter), the streets and ropads are crowded, congested and claustraphobic - often with not enough room for two cars to pass when there is a parked car. In the cities, having rvrn 45bhp is not really required, but providing the power in the hands of inexperienced is a recipe for disaster. Most of the fast food delivery is done on motorbikes/scooters and by perpetual learners. Imagine if they were allowed to race around the streets on much more powerful bikes... I agree that for touring, even for learners, it is a better idea to have a more powerful bike. But even in Aus, what is the proportion of learners that tour or go on longer rides? Certainly in the UK, it insn't many that would go for a ride greater than a couple of hours. But if you think you can't tour comportably on a 125 - and a lower powered 125 (this is 11hp as opposed to the 14.6hp), then check this playlist out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbYb-grfUfY&list=PLgGFg0Z6OmSj6FhGj7POJUnHAoY_RbyNr I think it is horses for courses. In Australia, it makes eminent sense to have more power options open to the learner rider. In the UK, I think it should be 250CC and maybe a max of 33hp or something like it, because of the different environment inexperienced riders operate in. And lets be honest, most young make riders, especially those buying bikes like my son, are going to be boy racers. But also over here, licensing is different. It is almost as complicated as flying licenses, but generally: From age 17, you can get an A1 license. You are fully licensed and can ride anywhere - including motorways - but are still restricted to 125cc and 14.6 max bhp. My son's Yamaha R125 will comfortably do 70mph, hand has a top speed of 80. From age 19, you can get an A2 licence. Again, you are fully licensed, but restricted to a bike with a max of 46bhp. It can be a bike with a max of 92bhp with a restrcitor kit fitted that takes it down to 46bhp. From age 24, you can have an A licence - full licence; no restrictions. For the A2 and A licence, you have to have achieved your CBT (learners) and do the test on a bike that is rated at 46bhp (or greater for the A licence) as well as meet the age requirement. There is no other experience requirement. Most schools will run a zero to hero course to get you your CBT and test ready for the A2 or A depending oin your age and then you will do the test. My son is 10 months from being able to get an A licence, but he has not indicated a desire to get a bike bigger than 92bhp. He doesn't want to move to Australia without having his A licence for some reason (Australian states recognise the A2 and I think will put him on a P plate if I recall correctly). We have no concept of probationary drivers/riders here. My understanding is the test requirements are virtually the same for the A2 and A, and if you have an A2, you have to do another test for your A to mke sure you haven't developed bad habits. Some if it is clearly nuts, some if it makes sense.

Dang it.. they have alreadt taken it down from their site and the ads they put omn a couple of classified ads.. We have to wait 2 weeks to pick it up befoe I can photograph it. The pre-delivery inspection and service requires mechancs who get back from hols on Monday week.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of positives to celebrate lately.. So, here's one: (https://www.bournemouth-kawasaki.co.uk/2024-yamaha-r125/) Son just put a deposiut down on it. I test rode it and it certainly screamed more than a 125cc bike - the max xx(14.6bhp being max power) for a learner. Got it for a bargain and not quite what they advertised it for... and it is in mint condition... Watch out for the gripes thread as we go to insure it..

The holy bit is in the stories by the sounds of it

That was very clever

Funny how the security cameras weren't working at the time of his death

The cafe seige in Sydney I think was a lone gunman who did not have any affiliation with any terrorist group - in fact, I think he wasn't born as a Muslim. The links or not of the Bondi shooters to terrorist organisations will come out in due course. Until the official information comes out, I don't take too much notice of social media hypothesis of whether there were terrorost organisation links or not. Some of the Islamic attacks in the UK and Europe have been directly attributed to local terror cells of middle east based terrorist organisations - some to domestic terrorist organisations, and some to lone wolves. The fact is, as for example wit hthe Bondi klillings, these terrorist organisations are cheering and celebrating this, which sends a message to other wannabes that you will be immortalised. The second point is - from the video I posted above - unless you think the clips of the preacher-type calling for Jihan, murdfer of Jews, etc was faked, is that through, no doubt a minority, but a network of fanatical religious leaders they are calling their flock to war - for their flock to impose violence on others that don't hold the same values as beliefs as they do - in the name of dog all bitey - and he is biting at the moment. So, whether or not they are orfficially involved in a terrorist organisation is not really the issue - it is whether the movement as a whole - or a part of it - is grooming its flock and inciting violence. And the evidence seems to be, there is at least part of it that is doing so. Allu Akhbar seems to be a common chant when these things are happening.. This is not limited to Muslim extreism, by the way. The right wing, or lets call them for what they are - the neo-nazis are on the rise in the western world, too. We've seen the mosque shootings, and it is a frequent occurence that we are reaing or seeing on the news further mobilisation and swelling of numbers. Yes, people are being opprtunistic to push their agenda, which further intensifies divisions in society and inflames those who, let's be honest, can't think for themselves. However, trying to brush it under the carpet is not going to help. Trying to say it is not factual when it is is brushing it under the carpet. We have to confront it, amd work through the root causes of it to come to a solution. All it will do is give air to those that uise it for their agenda pushing and the longer we leave the problem to fester, the harder it will be to solve it, and the more air we give to those nutjobs pushing their agenda. Failure to tackle and make very public that tackling of any hatred emboldens those whose hatreed is not being tackled. And tackling only one form of hatred (e.g. right wing nutjobs) and brushing under the carpet another form of hatred (e.g. islamic nutjobs) will further isolate and intensify the people who feel they are being singled out. How the NSW Police came to the conclusion that the more fanatical Palestinian Action protesters were chating is "where's the Jews" is beyond me unless almost evey other non-bleeped out version that I saw was doctored. We have the issues over here with the grooming gangs in Rotheram - was too politically correct to call them out for what they were.. Only one person was - Tommy Robinson;l a right wing bit of a nutjob. Guess what? It finally came to light that the Pakistanu Muslim grooming gans were grooming 16 year old girls systematically to virtually enslave for their sexual pleasure. Apparently infidel wormen are worth less - to UK authorites, it would seem as they didn't even attempt to investigate - reportedly for fear of being labelled racist. (that is not the official reason - I don't think an official reason has been given). The ramifications of that are that more and more people are turning to those of Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage's ilk because they now have lost confidence of the traditional political parties on both sides of politics. If you don't confront it, you can't fix it. And you gove more air time to the nutjobs who sell snake oil fixes. The UK government has now tried to put together some parliametnary inquiry for it (we don't have royal commissions - not that they seem to achieve anything anyway looking at the last 5 or 6 of them). They can't even get a chair to hang around for more than 10 minutes and the inuiry has yet to start, with victims being further left in limbo. Who do you think they will turn to, and a great deal more people. Stephen Fry put it well.. the rise of the right is because of the failure of the left's fasilures. Bill Maher put it another way - you can be too woke (and i hate than term) and turn people to the right.

Actuallky it was Nice.

Actually, it was a prediction I think. I have no idea if they will or not, but the fact is many Islamic terror attacks - especialy the lone wolf ones that may be mentally unstable people using Islam to justify their day of grievance retribution - have used knives, cars and, in Paris, on Bastille's day, a truck as I recall. Historically, there is some accuracy ikn what GON has said. For the EU: For the UK: Note, I haven't verified the AI summary, but I do recall specific attacks. Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia of the Manchester Synagogue attack: Car and Knife. No gun or ecplosives needed. Why are people in denial about it?

This one wasn't covered in the western MSM.. but it is telling of a mindset that really is from blind indoctination:

That was very naughty... Good heavens if a 16 year old read that... They could probablyu tell me what it means.. 🤣🤣