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Getting back to the oriinal idea of this thread - the governmental knee-jerk to firearm possession, it is becoming obvious that governments have been resting on the laurels of the original gun buy-back and the laws made in the late 1990s. That was thirty years ago. Are you still using the mobile brick phone you had back then? Are you still using dial-up ADSL? BY the same token, firearms have developed a lot in that time, but the classification of them for licensing purposes has not. I was watching a video about the point of the failure of firearms classification to keep pace with firearm development. As with all laws and regulations, the devil is in the definition. Let's look at teh shotguns used at Bondi. How was it that they, in particular, are legal under the classification system? The types of firearms permitted in Category A, the most commonly held licence, are: Air rifles; Rimfire rifles (other than self-loading); Shotguns (other than pump action, lever action or self-loading), and Shotgun/rimfire combinations. The type of interest from Bondi is the Shotguns (other than pump action, lever action or self-loading. One thinks of the break action shotgun, single or double barrel. We see pump action shotguns in movies and news videos from the USA, so we are aware of how they are operated. Lever action shotguns operate in a similar way to what we see as rifles in cowboy movies. Self-loading means that a fresh round is loaded by using the recoil from the round fired before the round to be loaded. However, firearm manufacturers developed another means of rapid reloading from a magazine using a loading lever similar to the idea of a bolt action rifle. This is the type of shotgun used at Bondi. As of that date, bolt action shotguns were Category A and legal to own. I believe that these have a 6-round magazine + 1 in the spout. To see what I'm talking about, watch this video from the 17:00 to 20:00 time marks. The problem with any knee-jerk response and regulations made on the fly will have consequences that firstly will financially affect firearms owners and later affect lawful activities such as feral animal control. Feral animals such as pigs, foxes, deer etc are becoming a greater problem because landowners are denying permission to recreational hunters to shoot on their properties. And yes I know all about tthe horror stories of idiot shooters. While it is good to hear politicians on both sides joining together to attack the problem, one must encourage them to keep at it, but not make flash in the pan decisions.

I hope those arrested persons had firearm licences and access to registered firearms.

The word "midget" is widely considered a highly offensive and derogatory slur by most people with dwarfism and their advocacy organizations. Most importantly, use the person's name rather than a label, as their height is typically irrelevant in everyday interactions.

The first step in being a successful terrorist is making sure that no one gets an idea that you are a terrorist. The second step is to not telegraph you plans. Terrorist attacks rely on the element of surprise. If you want to succeed, keep quiet.

Yeah. I was being obtuse again, not aiming at anyone on this forum. Just a comment. At the moment the Conservatives are howling about misuse of funds for travelling by Labor politicians. If they become the Government sometime, Labor will howl about Conseervatives doing the same thing. Rapant thespianism.

So, the government of a small, multi-ethnic country is going to turn back nearly two thousand year's worth of human behaviour? Some might think tht Albo is a Kvnt, but he's definitiely not Kanute.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" (John 8:7) where Jesus challenges accusers to examine their own faults before condemning.

That is the very problem with knee-jerking - unintended consequences. Once again the good intention adversely affected those for whom the intention was not met. There's a Latin saying, festina lente, which roughly translates as "hasten slowly", or its equivalent, "look before you leap".

When will politicians of teh Parties not in power folow the adage "If you can't say something nice, say nothing"?

Therein lies the problem to be overcome. If the Federal Government seeks to combine all the ownership databases, then a few million could be trown at the problem. I think that the electorate would accept the spending of tax dollars in that way.

I think that the current upsurge in anti-semitism has more to do with disgust at the Isreali government's excesses in Gaza and the West Bank. The Common People are now more aware of happenings in other countries than they were even 50 years ago thanks to the Internet. They don't like these excesses and now have more freedom in their own countries to express their disgust. Unfortunatley, this passionate disgust is not being considered by our politicians who are playing in a differnt game. As a result of this unrequited response from politicians, the Common People are acting without considering what their actions result in.

Perhaps shot by the father????

I wonder what the load of the .410 was - pellets or soilds. I suppose the autopsies and surgeries will answer that question.

I don't own any firearms. I don't want to own any firearms. But I can see that in the wake of Bondi there are cries for stricter firearm controls. The controls that have been mentioned often sound like knee-jerk reaction of people with little knowledge of firearm ownership in Australia. Let me say that I see ideas like restricting the total number of fireams held by an individual as being dificult to manage. Don't forget that the authroities only know about the registered firearms held by the community. We know that there are very many unregistered firearms in the community. Once again, any restriction on total number of firearms owned will only impinge on owners who are following current laws. How many is too many? A person might reasonably own several different types of firearms. Maybe one shotgun for hunting and another for target shooting. Maybe a centrefire rifle for kangaroos and another for pigs. And don't forget the .22 for rabbits and foxes. The first step that I fully agree with is the unification of records kept by States and Territories relating to licensed persons and registered guns. In this digital age unifying those records might only require the transfer of existing records from one database to another. It might need a bit of program development, but for years fingerprint records have been linked across States and Territories. Firearms licences only for Australian citizens???? Look at the ages of young Middle Eastern men using firearms in the drug and illicit tobacco wars. They are no doubt Australian citizens, having been born here. Here's the criteria: a child born in Australia gains citizenship if at least one parent is an Australian citizen or permanent resident at the time of birth; otherwise, they aren't automatically a citizen, but can acquire it on their 10th birthday if they've lived in Australia for their first 10 years. Protecting society from the misuse of firearms is an impossibility through laws, be they equitable or restrictive. Before slamming down on firearm ownership, careful consideration must be made of the consequences of any regulations proposed.

Do you believe that America acted out of the goodness of its heart towards the British Empire during WWII by providing arms and aid through Lend-Lease? If you do, you have had the wool well and truly pulled over your eyes, if the content of this video is to be believed. Sit back and watch this video and then think about its content in terms of your own knowledge of world politics and economics since WWII.