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Australian EV sales figures for May https://www.mynrma.com.au/electric-vehicles/news/ev-sales-may-2024

Apparently you can select "slip mode" if you are dumb enough to want to spin your wheels which if course slows you down anyway.

I can say from personal experience that the Tesla does not spin it's tyres. The cars tech controls the traction. I am not sure if there is a mode you can select where you can spin the tyres. Another recent update allows for setting up different accounts for family members. This allows the parents to set up a profile that limits the performance for the younger or otherwise less experienced drivers in the family.

I might surprise you that as enthusiastic as I am about EVs I am not sure whether at this stage it makes sense for someone such as yourself to go EV at this point unless you particularly want to and can afford it. I am pretty much in this category. In an environmental sense, you would not be contributing much given your low travel distances. For me, it is a case of my next car will be EV but I will probably keep my present car running as long as it is viable. The early adopters that are buy EVs now are proving the technology and price of production, just like in the personal computer area.

Oh I typed this earlier and forgot to pot it. OK just going through the Channel 7 story. "Every month 2000 Teslas arrive in Melbourne but there is NOBODY" to buy them." Obviously that is a stupidly exaggerated statement. The Tesla sales are not zero. Yes sales might be down this month for whatever reason. "Tesla sales slumped 44% in April. I don't know what that means. It is not 44% lower than last April as far as I can see. 1581 to 1166, I don't think that is 44%. I would be interested to know how many Teslas there are in that lot. They never mention the number but the aerial shots don't seem to match the month after month 2000 Tesla and no one buying.

There is a reasonable dissuasion to be had. EVs obviously have pros and cons. Not just Cons and not just Pros. It just gets tiresome the revolving list of untrue or partially true assertions. Exploding batteries, collapsing car parks, EVs allegedly causing potholes. If you read back through this thread you will see all of those and more. I think like lots of areas these things tend to get polarized EVs are perfect, no EVs are the work of the devil. You know the truth might lie somewhere between.

I am not sure if you are addressing that question to me but I will assume you are. Look carefully at my posts, I am not expressing an opinion but I am posting the numbers. Whether or not the infrastructure is as good as it should be (it is not in many areas) may be a reason some people do not wish to buy at this point. The network is growing. I fully accept that you have no wish to buy electricity and that is fine. I just don't get why you are so determined to post stuff either true or not (I haven't forgotten the supposed fiery collision that turned out to be a truck carrying gas cylinders) I might think that motorcycles are stupidly dangerous and I would never ride one however I would not go on the thread on this forum where people talk about motorcycles and slag them off. If I don't want to ride one I don't have to others are welcome to do so. There is no plan where anyone here (unless there are some youngns) will be forced to buy an electric car and even if the targets are achieved (which I doubt) the electric car of mid 2030s will be a quite different beast compared to the ones today. You may feel that the people who buy an EV today are stupid however these are the people who are driving the technology forward, they are paying the higher price of being an early adopter which will allow later adopters to buy a cheaper better product.

OK I found the story on channel 7. The problem is how one month's drop in sales is being interpreted. Down for the month but up for the year. It could be the start of a slowdown April is traditionally a slow month for all car sales. I think a rational comparison would be April this year with April last year. April 23 1581 April 24 1166 A drop yes but nothing cataclysmic. The declaration of a collapse in EV sales is much exaggerated or at least stupidly premature. I cant remember the actual figure but for a country to be in recession there needs to a number of quarters of negative growth

Delving into the latest figures, April figures showed a drop however year to date figures are still higher than the first quarter of last year. This time last year there 23926 EV sales compared to the first quarter 0f 2024 in which 31662 EVs were sold. Is the slowdown in the month of April significant or a blip? Time will tell. But in contrast to reports that BEV sales are slowing down, looking at total EV sales in Australia since the start of the year there has been an increase. https://www.mynrma.com.au/electric-vehicles/news/ev-sales-april-2024

"Teslas are arriving in Australia at the rate of 2,000 per month, but no-one is buying them" State by state EV sales EV sales in the ACT dipped by 35 per cent in March compared to February, bringing the capital territory’s EV market share down a notch from one-in-four to one-in-five. NSW remained steady at 11 per cent – a little over one-in-ten. Victoria’s EV sales ramped up a little, with 500 extra sales compared to the previous month. Queensland also increased its EV market share for the month, upping it from 8.4 per cent in February to 9.2 per cent in March – an extra 275 electric vehicles on the road. Jan Feb Mar EV market share, March % EV market share, YTD % ACT 188 453 336 21.2% 21.2% NSW 1492 3566 3728 11.0% 9.5% NT 18 25 31 3.3% 2.9% QLD 1302 1894 2169 9.2% 8.2% SA 247 506 623 8.9% 7.1% TAS 97 123 115 7.1% 6.8% VIC 1057 2311 2817 9.4% 7.5% WA 492 1233 645 5.8% 7.3% https://www.mynrma.com.au/electric-vehicles/news/ev-sales-march-2024#:~:text=Which EVs are the most,3 Highland hit the shores.

Red could you post a link to that, please? At least in the past the sales model was that you order one online and wait for it to get shipped.

You can click on the 3 dots to the right of the description and select "not interested" or "don't recommend this channel"

I am guessing you are talking about the use of statistics - yes? You posted a video called The media cant cope with the end of the EV boom and I questioned the interpretation of the figures he presented. If you are not talking about EVs then why post that video?

on both sides?

OME this video critiques Bloombergs stats. I accept that whilst the Bloomberg stats are technically correct they are presented in a way that sounds overly optimistic view. Do you admit that using the figures the fellow in the video presented sales have not suffered a catastrophic collapse? Again if I am missing something. please help me understand what exactly I am missing. My questions is do you accept that there is as much if not more propaganda amongst the anti-EV folks?

Using the figures this man presents we have: Tesla Q1 23 161630 - Q1 24 140187 A 13.3% drop - does this indicate a collapse in EV sales or just a reduction Ford Q1 23 10 866 - Q1 24 20 223 an 81% increase. Rivian Q1 23 8558 - Q1 24 13588 a 58% increase Hyundai Q1 23 7824 - Q1 24 12290 a 57% decreases Mercedes Q1 23 7341 - Q1 24 12250 BMW Q1 23 6588 - Q2 10713 a 62% increase. Even if the proposition that the percentages presented by Bloomberg are overly optimistic (but not technically incorrect) the notion that EV sales have collapsed is also rubbish. Am I missing something here?

Optimism wins every time

So how do you know what you say is supported by the evidence? Or is evidence not important My gut feeling or emotional feeling on any issue is worth zero. Facts are king. You may notice that there are issues that I do not comment on. This is because although I may have an emotional feeling about something I realize that I don't have sound knowledge and I am not willing to do the research. In these cases, I just shut up. I am happy for people to give their unresearched opinions as long as they acknowledge that it is just an opinion . You don't have time time to watch a well-researched clip with references but you have plenty of time to pour scorn on new technologies. I always watch videos that people post as well as articles that present contrary view to the one I hold. I do this because I am open-minded but also I do like to know the arguments of my opponents.

So I have been neglecting celebrating the positives lately (at least on this forum). Mrs Octave and I had a brilliant bike ride between Portarlington and St Leonards (Vic) Twas one of those lovely autumn days, cool but sunny without a breath of wind. After the ride we had a nice lunch with a not undrinkable (we have high standards) cup of coffee and a drinkable (we have high standards) glass of red. If you or grumpy or not happy then you are just not trying hard enough. The lovely Mrs Octave We climbed that Mountain peek in the distance the day before (Flinders Peak) This is the wreck of the The Ozone paddle steamer. It was sunk intentionally in I think 1925

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You do still have to make a show of patting down your pockets before saying you don't have any cash. Actually, at least around here, the donation currency tends to be food which I think is a good thing. I am assuming you can't trade an apple for drugs.

I think this guy is a tad disingenuous. Here is a video about an electric fire truck where he omits many important facts. My first criticism is that he uses the word "woke" To me this gives the appearance of a political argument rather than a factual one. He talks of the huge expense but does not quantify it. These figures are easily searchable. He does not acknowledge that the upfront cost needs weighed against the lifetime cost with regard to running expenses. He scoffs at the fact that the truck is or was out of service due to a leaky water tank but he does not explain why this is related to it being electric. I would imagine that in a new firetruck of any type, this would not be an unusual occurrence. He refers to it as all-electric but I believe it does have a built diesel generator as a backup. I read an article that stated a fire truck the same as this at another fire brigade only used 20 gallons of diesel in one year. All of that is omitted from his critique. He scoffs at the environmental benefits. Whilst in terms of CO2, by itself it will make buggar all difference he does not mention the effects of diesel on the firefighters. Diesel is a known carcinogen and traditional fire trucks need to be kept idling during the operation of pumps etc. Also, a benefit I believe is the quieter environment in which firefighters have to think and make complex decisions and plans. I think that the proposition that this guy is 100% logical and not at all emotional is BS He wants you to think this vehicles return to the manufacturer was BECAUSE it was an EV He wants you to think that it is pure electric and has no backup. He wants you to think firetrucks regularly travel more than 100KM He wants you to only think of the sticker price and not the lifetime cost. He dasn't you to not think about firefighters working in around diesel fumes (especially when backing trucks back into the station. He doesn't want you to realize that this is not the first electric fire truck and that there are many around the world even in Australia.

Isn't this evidence that your claim that we are unthinkingly barrelling towards 100% EVs is a bit of nonsense? EVs are not as popular as people would have us believe AND that the adoption of EVs is going way too fast. As he said in the YouTube clip the figures are not wrong but are expressed most advantageously. I think it is a given that any company wants to portray their product in the best light, hopefully without lying. Some companies have actually lied. Hyundai, Kia Overstated Fuel Economy Claims Mitsubishi says overstated mileage for more vehicle models GM overstated m.p.g. on more vehicles, Consumer Reports suggests Dont think EVs are any good, don't buy one.

For a heart attack, the ambulance has resuscitation gear and a defibrillator as well as an adrenaline shot on standby in case the worst happens. As well as that you will be getting a constant ECG which will be a great help to the cardiologist.

Have you tried using an internet radio app? We don't have a radio as such but we can listen to thousands of stations from all around the world through a free internet app. I agree with the constant grim morning news. There is a balance to be struck between being aware of the bad things but also the good things. There are news sources that specialize in good news stories. https://www.abc.net.au/news/good-news Bad news is better for ratings (if it bleeds it leads). This can lead to a skewed view of the world.