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Spacey, my son moved to New Zealand 9 years ago and even became a citizen recently. He does not feel he lives under some kind of apartheid. He gets on with his Maori neighbours and people from many different cultures He doesn't rant and rave about Maori representation. When we visit we don't observe a hugely divided society. No society is perfect. What is it that you think you will lose if the referendum passes?

I believe it is 1 hour from Toongabie to the airport by train (according to NSW Transport Trip Planner and 48 minutes by car. https://transportnsw.info/trip#/trip?from=poiID:858281901:95308040:-1:Toongabie Post Office:Toongabbie:Toongabie Post Office:ANY:POI:4865775:3745666:GDAV:nsw&to=202020&leaving=true&excludedModes=11&onlyAccessible=false&walkSpeed=0&gettingFromMode=100&gettingToMode=100&onlyOpal=false&gettingToValue=20&gettingFromValue=20&tripPreference=0&travelMode=publicTransport

I searched that site and I can find any reference to it. Are you sure it is not one of those myths?

Can you post a link to that, I can't find any reference. I can only see a Maori land court.

Space the way we use trams is this. We live in Geelong. We could drive into the city however it can take longer than the train and parking is expensive. A train takes 55 minutes (75km) Once in the city. if we have many different places to go unless we choose to walk (which we usually do) we would just hop on a tram. As an example, I have a specialist appointment on Wednesday in Elizabeth Street. I could drive but would probably need to set off early in case the traffic is bad. I would have to go into a highrise car park and pay. Instead, I will hop on the Vline (I think somewhere around $4) concession fare). Once in the city, if I do not want to walk I can jump on a tram which is literally at the door of the station. If I want to go anywhere else in town I can hop on the appropriate tram for free (within the CBD) Many inner suburbs are served by the tram network. No, they don't tend to have car parks at tram stops however the same applies to busses.

I don't know about Sydney however trams in Melbourne CBD are great. You can travel quickly and efficiently around town and it is totally free within the CBD. Also much more pleasant than a bus.

Also practiced in other countries for various reasons. The meaning of subincision of the urethra to aboriginal Australians*

Apparently, hook turns used to be widespread in the 1930s (even in Sydney) The history of hook turns – why does Melbourne have them?

I think my point about royalties has been misunderstood. To be clear I was making the point that saying "The Indigenes are well known for preventing development at every level. They detest major change and they detest change driven by European" -ancestry people", which is at least a little inconsistent with complaining about all those indigenous people getting rich from royalties. Perhaps the quote is a little exaggerated. I had already ready read the article you linked to OT. This is a quote from it. Clan leaders acknowledge there’s long been a critical stereotype that the millions paid to Aboriginal clans in statutory royalties are often squandered – spent on flash cars and at the pub. But Yunupiŋu believes his Gumatj clan has invested its majority share of the Gove Agreement royalties, more than 70 per cent, wisely enough to stop a flood of people from sitting at home on the dole. “The thought there was to get [my people] away from welfare, join the workforce,” he says. “The Gumatj has started like 10 businesses here — woodworks, work at our own mining company, we’ve got a sawmill to cut trees, a coffee shop and retail [business].”

My understanding is that any advice is not binding. What, every single one of them? Are there no mining projects? , Are there no royalties being paid? The advice can be ignored. I would be surprised if this were the case. Are people aware that the South Australian parliament has already passed state legislation for a specifically sate based voice? I guess if the constitutional referendum fails as I think it will, we shall have to see whether the local SA scheme leads to disaster or success or something in between. I have trawled through the details and it seems pretty modest to me. Onetrack do you really think that my posts were offensive and over the top? It wasn't posted with rage but rather a desire to elevate the debate to a level above "I reckon this" or "I knew this aborigine who once did x" If my level of debate is too harsh then I can leave it.

"The names alternate automatically every two seconds, so both names are shown. We have not renamed any city or town," I don't know but it doesn't seem too confusing to me. The original story leaves this out. Whether or not it is a productive thing to do or not, it is not an insidious assault. Personally, I am interested in the history of this land and this interest goes back to Cook and beyond. It mainly seems to be the right-wing media such as Sky and 2BG that are flogging this story. In a related story, they implied that the name Brisbane City was going to be changed which I think has been thoroughly discredited. I did like this comment on a Reddit discussion. (apologies for crudeness) Shock jocks building their own strawmen and then wanking themselves dry with rage. Nothing in it

OME, I don't necessarily agree but I appreciate your post. You are offering alternatives rather than just the status quo.

This is not a decision-making body but an advisory body. The advice can be rejected . Again, not "central control" but a method of consultation.

That was not intended to be name-calling but rather a critique of the general "no" case being put everywhere. The usual complaint in politics is that it is the left who are offended by everything. The actual wording of the question and the constitutional implications are rarely discussed. Far from being in an "echo chamber" I do read a hell of a lot of information from both sides. Yesterday I trawled through the "no" case from the Australian Christian Lobby and I still could not find anything substantial other than the usual "if you do not understand it then don't vote for it" or "it will be divisive" etc. If I wanted to be in an echo chamber I would not be here discussing it with you. To me, the government imposing things will never work as well without input from the people it affects. It may even happen that an advisory body may recommend measures that are far more dramatic than anything the government would decree. This is probably a little paternalistic but when raising children, at some stage when things are not going well, instead of laying down the law you bring them into the decision-making process. I doubt that anyone here will change anyone's mind and that is not my intention but I do think that both sides should try to understand the concerns of the other. It is all too easy (for both sides) to rely on vague anecdotes or fear.

jeez, you can read me like a cheap novel, I am drinking a cheap little number called "What Lies beneath" pretty bloody ordinary. Normally wife and I would share 1 bottle once a week over 2 days. I was feeling a little cheeky this week and whilst cooking dinner I cracked another bottle shhhhhh don't tell. She doesn't need to know. But yes a little more wine than usual does make me a little feisty. I love a debate I can get my teeth into but I need hard facts.

i enjoy roasting coffee beans and grinding beans and drinking long black coffees that if my doctor said coffee would kill me I would have to say, "I better go home and put my affairs in order"

By the way, we did have a coffee roast that we labeled "clusterfuck" it wasn't too bad.

At the moment we are in love with Ethiopian Yirgacheffe Special Prep beans. I could tell you the profile but it is probably only meaningful if you are using a Behmor coffee roaster. We came across the ideal roast for this bean by a bit of fuck uppery. The first result was brilliant so we are compelled to follow the same "fuck uppery" although there is probably a more direct route My advice for coffee roasting apart from equipment is to keep a rigorous spreadsheet.

Have you ever been prevented from expressing your opinion? I am more than happy for you to express your opinion but if other people disagree, that is not a "piss off". Perhaps you need to be willing to rigorously debate your views and provide evidence. On many occasions, I have disagreed with you. Do you see this as a "piss off"? I can assure you I am well and truly up for a spirited well-researched debate. If you feel that disagreeing with your view is a "piss off" then guess perhaps you need to find a forum of people who believe exactly what you believe. But I have faith in you, just post your opinion and back it up with rigorous evidence.

OK, you have asked so you only have yourself to blame. We roast coffee beans 200gm at a time. In the roasting process, you lose about 1/5th. Economically speaking green coffee beans are 1/2 the price of roasted beans. but as previously stated you lose 15% to 19%. So this still results in a large financial saving. What is more important to us is that we can control how our coffee tastes by manipulating the roasting profile. Yep, that may sound like a total wank but we get great pleasure in this. Life is too short to spend it whining. For goodness sake, do what gives you intense pleasure (as long as it harms no one}

That is interesting, those poor developers. Developers are the real downtrodden in society. I imagine you would be donating your excess income to these poor people. But seriously there may be a grain of truth in what you say so please post some facts or links. By the way, you may have a fantastic point so please elaborate.

Ha you probably think I don't know how many beans go in each cup. Coffee is my passion (yep waiting to be attacked) We do buy raw green beans and roast them ourselves. Yes this may sound crazy but my wife and I gain considerable pleasure from this

Honestly, I cant be bothered to look at your first paragraph (sorry), But tell me this what is the downside of Canada, Finland, Norway, and New Zealand?

So why oppose it?