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PM don't you think he is challenging to like? Inarticulate Narcissistic Tells gargantuan lies - They are eating the dawgs in Springfield, and your child goes to school and comes home with a sex change operation. Appointing a vaccine-denier nutjob to lead the health department Adjudicated sexual abuser Brags about grabbing women by the pussy Doesn't seek to negotiate in good faith but to bully. Thinks he has to have Greenland regardless of the Greenlanders or Dane thinks A grifter selling Donald J Trump bibles and watches and digital cards to his gullible followers. Sucks up to dictators Wants to turn back women's reproductive rights I could go on and on. I don't many good character traits there at all

I think that Trumpism seeks to present every issue as being the good people against the bad people and has a quick simple and often brutal solution. I found this short article to be quite interesting. Immigrant Farmworkers and America's Food Production: 5 Things to Know

Not according to the farmers that employ them on I imagine pretty low wages Farmers Can't Find Enough Workers to Harvest Crops—and Fruits and Vegetables Are Literally Rotting in Fields I am not necessarily against any country enforcing its immigration laws as long as it is done humanely and sensibly. The veteran who was briefly detained was detained purely because of his ethnicity.

With mixed results. Trump’s Immigration Threats Are Already Wrecking the Food Industry ICE Detains US Military Veteran Without Warrant Trump hits Colombia with tariffs, sanctions after it refuses deportation flights I have no problem with the law being enforced however there seems to be a contradiction between "lazy illegal immigrants sponging off the system" and farmers complaining that their "workforce has suddenly disappeared". It seems to me that there has to be an intelligent way of allowing people in to do necessary work that US citizens won't do, even if temporarily.

This does not make it right. Throughout history countries and people have done all sorts of things which are less acceptable now. I take it you approve of these far-right organisations

As did Malcolm Fraser and civilized politicians around the world. Which resulted in thousands of deaths. Musk has enormous financial resources and therefore can exert tremendous influence. The people he is supporting are pretty hideous but perhaps you don't share that assessment. It is my understanding that most countries have laws restricting donations from foreign entities.

You can freeze frame video of any one of us and probably find that gesture. Can you supply a link that shows the whole movement that led to those freeze frames? The Musk thing is not a freeze frame we can see the whole gesture repeated twice. I do not know his meaning and it is not of great interest to me however neo-Nazis believe it was significant. Surely Musk should clarify that it wasn't a nod to the far right. The problem is that Musk IS a fan of the far right and seeks to interfere in other countries' politics. but perhaps you are OK with that.

I do not know what Musk's intentions were however fra right-wingers seem to believe it was significant. It is no secret that Musk is close with people on the extreme right such as AFD which is so far right that even La Pen won't work with them.

Probably for this reason https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes

Trump is either evil or exceedingly stupid.

Here is an interactive map of operating batteries and those under construction and planned. https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-battery-storage-map-of-australia/

And let's face it, he may not even see this term out. I am betting there is a plan afoot for Donald Junior to stand in 2028

Republican Floats Constitutional Amendment to Allow Trump a Third Term This seems a little Putinesque to me.

I don't actually pay more per KWh but my power retailer sources its power from renewables. Of course, there are times when there are not enough renewables available (although this gets less with time) but in this case, the company buys an equal amount of renewables when it is available, which I am assuming is more expensive at these times. My retailer charges 26 cents per kWh My assumption is I could get this cheaper if I did not care about the source. My retailer invests in renewable energy technology. In any case my bills are extremely low anyway due to rooftop solar so I am happy to support renewables.

Does a baby? To me killing is abhorrent. Certainly, justifications can be made but there has to be proportionality otherwise you may as well use a nuclear weapon and wipe them all out. Anyway, I don't want to get drawn in so I will leave it to you folks, let me know when you have found the solution.

Just my 2 cents worth, I don't particularly have strong feelings either way regarding closing or continuing this thread. I do however find these sorts of conversations trying. People start out by saying "I am not saying all Vulcans are like this but...." It can then morph into (on all sides) sweeping statements. These issues are immensely complicated and people tend to have passionate beliefs. This is one reason I periodically disappear without a trace from the forum. I doubt that anyone will change anyone else's passionately held position. I heard a harrowing recording of a young girl in that part of the world. She was on a phone desperately pleading for help. She screamed that her family had been killed. When help got to her she had also been killed. I won't reveal the ethnicity of this girl because this does not change the value of the pain and suffering. I will say this though, either this girl was too young to be a terrorist or to even understand the issues or too young to be able to have any input into the government of Israel or the actions of the IDF. If my wife walks home from the station at night it is not terroism she fears.

Well, the 60-day sentence was served several years ago so a pardon is not such a big deal either way. Also, she is 71 so probably not worried about her job prospects

I am pretty sure that the one in the article is not contesting it and pled guilty from the start. I do know about others though.

The quote is about the right of people to overthrow a government that is attempting to establish absolute despotism. Despotism is a form of government where a single entity, usually an individual, has absolute power. There was never any evidence that the election was significantly flawed. There was no evidence that anyone was going to establish absolute despotism The only evidence that these people were acting on was Trump's assertion that he was robbed. Subsequently, numerous court cases were dismissed. Results of Lawsuits Regarding the 2020 Elections I am sure many people there did not involve themselves in violence however the point was to change the result. If we accept the premise that there were a few troublemakers string people up then why give a blanket pardon? Many of the people who were imprisoned were convicted on video evidence. Why pardon these particular people. Interestingly some people who were convicted have turned down their pardon, I guess some people still have integrity. Convicted US Capitol rioter turns down Trump pardon

Many elections in the past have been contested by the loser especially when margins are close. This has always been dealt with in a CIVILIZED way through the court system. Are you seriously justifying the actions of this moronic mob? Do you not have any sympathy for the policeman screaming in pain whilst being crushed in a door? If you are moved by this then perhaps we have nothing more to talk about.

I can't believe you think this innocuous line is such a big deal for you. Trump will not govern like Biden but will be different. What am I missing here? By the way, you haven't told me what you think about Trump's pardon of Jan 6 rioters including the violent ones?

GON I struggle to categorise "Trump will do things differently" as being negative, it surely is neutral. In any job I have been in when one boss leaves and another takes over often the departing boss will make a speech handing over the reins and saying the the new boss "will put their particular mark on the job. GON I assume that you don't think Trump is different from the presidents that came before. It seems that Trump and his supporters are great at name-calling but are amazingly thin-skinned such that an ambiguous comment like Wong's is so distressing.

It is obvious that Trump is not like any other and does do things differently. Trump would see this as a compliment, he doesn't pretend to be like any other president. Someone on here said we should judge Trump by what he does rather than what he says. Now he is president he is doing things that we can judge him for. Do you support pardons for violent Jan 6ers who assaulted police?

You sure seem to be obsessed with Penny Wong. Her job is to represent the best interests of Australia not her own personal feelings. It is not in our country's interest to get on the wrong side of this guy because we know that is not in our interests.

We have no idea if the victim and their family were asked and declined to comment, I guess people will come to different conclusions but this article makes me want to ask some of the questions that OME posed. I can't really see much opinion in this story. It seems mainly to be quotes. If the victim (who is probably traumatised) doesn't want to comment does that mean that no story is written or that no quotes are included?