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As a matter of fact I've been doing a little DNA research, and that's proving rather interesting. It appears anthropologists have been working on almost exactly what you just said. and simply attempting to create a finished jigsaw base on similarities of skeletons. Since the A team are extremely picky in relation to proof, I've got a lot more work to do before I make any pronouncement. I did start to lay out a detailed response, but was pushed for time on another matter, then realised you'd done exactly what I said some atheists do.

There you go again Don, denial of the Bible, yet a quote from it.

I didn't say "Most atheists hate", I said "Most atheist hate"....like most atheist pleasure, most atheist anger, most atheist belief etc

Yes Ian, just a like, like the parliamentary "hear hear" If someone makes sense, they are likely to get a "like" Over time, it shows who is respected: e.g. Facthunter gets a lot of likes. The trolls and extremists tend to take care of themselves with low scores.

Better to speak for yourself Don, than to fantasise that you have a following. The fact is that some atheists, while denying the existence of God, and any factual history written in the Bible, loudly express condemnation of God, or disappointment that their wishes were not granted, and quote from the Bible to support their case. You don't have to go any further than this thread to find some of those outing themselves in writing. In cases like Facthunter's I can quite understand there would be bitterness, and don't have a problem with that. Two things have amazed me with this thread: 1. We haven't heard outrage from Catholics about the emerging evidence of Saul's invention of Christianity. 2. Most atheist hate seems to be about Christian and Essenes belief, with not a mention of the Jewish faith and belief in the same God

I agree with you, likes tell the story, the other ratings allow snide political agendas.

Some necessarily do, and flaunt it, and ridicule religion though.

If you want to be an atheist, that's fine. but you are displaying an ignorance of the history written in the Bible by displaying something like that when there are plenty of examples written, and plenty of examples of how man has sinned. Did you think God was going to walk up with an AK47 and fix up all the Nazis? Because if you did, be prepared for many more surprises.

That's right Eighty, with the exception of the Ice Age, which ended about 10,000 to 15,000 years ago.

A reference is not evidence, and I've never said it was, but it is a step towards you, if you are prepared to actually go looking, finding evidence. Of course, people who are dogmatic don't want to find evidence which might upset the apple cart.

Exodus will be in cinemas very soon Dazza - I think that's Part 357 of the Big Movie

Yes, well I'm in the reverse position to you. I usually shut up in conversations about religion, but get sick of the loud "That's just bullsh!t, there's nothing there! And as you say, they ask for evidence, and if you give them a reference, they counter by asking the names of he survivors of the Titanic.

The atheists haven't done a bad job of attacking, rubbishing, asking for impossible proofs, even proofs which are obtainable after days of research, in return offering a smartarse Bernard Russell throwaway, so don't be too hard on him. It's also a bit rich suggesting those who disagree with you are labelled "entrenched" Relax, none of us know it all yet.

Buy yourself a copy of The Hiram Key on amazon.com; you've seen what I've written, and while the book has been written to trace the history of freemasonry, they are thorough researchers, and went right back past the story of Jesus Christ. I'm not saying they are 100% correct, but there are enough references there that you can go off and research what interests you. Certainly it appears the New Testament may well be the world's biggest example of marketing spin which made the catholic church rich beyond all dreams. After researching a lot of information for this thread, I found myself questioning what the Bible really is and how it fits in. I've made a few efforts to read it, but never seem to get past the begats, and as part of my Anglican Confirmation training, I was never required to abide by, or even research the Bible. Instead, the group was pointed to a few examples of trying to do good, and leaving the world a better place for our being here. As you say, it certainly isn't God's word, we know who wrote it and when, and maybe one of them was even Don's goat herder.

Perhaps some parts of it were, but parts of the Old Testament were written by quite advanced civilizations, and as I've said previously, corroborated from multiple sources. One of the issues we have today as literal readers is understanding the symbolist language of the Egyptians and their ancestors. It just doesn't translate. While the Egyptian hieroglyphics were cracked around a hundred years ago, we have no idea how they pronounced their words, or the cadence of their spoken language, or their vernacular, and up until a couple of decades ago we mostly relied on translations from the first half of the 20th century, and they were really esoteric discussions between Egyptologists who evolved from archaeologists. Over the next few years with databasing and global searches allowing people all over the world to collaborate, we are going to learn a lot more about the symbolism of the Egyptians, and some of that will explain some of the Bible which was written in that period. Before the 19th and 20th century discoveries in Egypt, Sumeria and Crete, you'd have to wonder whether those ancient Bible scribes got the translations correct, or whether those parts of the Bible are what New Guinea highlanders thought when the big birds (Dakotas) arrived with "presents".

A lot more truth and amazingly a lot less fighting on this thread.

He's just watching you, that's all.

Good one FH!

Oh NO! They were filming in Egypt too?

It's also the engine of a Vimana

Chad Morgan was a character. During the filming of "Dimboola" he apparently got a skin full, climbed up on to the roof of the cottage where he was staying and started singing which set off all the dogs in Dimboola.

1421 has about 100 pages of Appendix, so you might find something there. It's available on Amazon for less than $10. Here it is[ATTACH]47511._xfImport[/ATTACH] For those interested in Navigation, Menzies explains how the Chinese accurately mapped longitude without a chronometer, with the exception that they didn't know what the main ocean current speeds were, which he, from his submarine days, did. What he did suggest in his book was that the Bimini Road in the Bahamas - two straight man-made lines of stones under the sea were made from ballast stones out of a junk, and matched the swing lengths of a Junk and escort ship. The line of stones on Kirribati is probably from the same flotilla. Both can be seen on Google Earth. Previous speculators had said these were runways for alien space ships.

The aboriginal police system was also interesting. In WA when a murder was committed, the tribe would come to gether and place the body on a timber platform above the ground. The kaditcha would place stones on the ground under the body, and solemnly announce that the first drop of fat would fall on the stone of the murder. It worked every time because the murderer just couldn't stand the suspense of waiting and would take off for the bush.

According to Gavin Menzies: Admiral Hong Bao's fleet was to map the western side of Australia They made landfall near Bunbury and anchored in the Swan River. A Junk was despatched to chart the south coast of Australia but foundered off Warrnambool. The "Mahogany" description doesn't match European ships but matches the Chinese Junks. Professor We Chu Xian believes the men walked up the Murray Darling system to Cooktown (because of traces left along the way). That is corronorated by Toscanellis map of 1474 which has the rivers marked. Admiral Zhou Man found Norfolk Island and made landfall just north of Sydney A Taiwan University map on porcelain dated 1447 shows the eastern coastline from New Guinea to Victoria and NE Tasmania There are maps of the west and east coasts of Australia in the British Museum in 1542 believed to have come from Chinese maps. The Rotz chart shows Nelson Bay, Port Stephens, Broken Bay and Botany Bay A stone fortress was found at Bittangabee Bay, near Eden and is still there. Stones outlining a village with a wharf were found south of Sydney Stone dwellings were found at Newcastle There is an aboriginal rock carving of a Junk on the Hawkesbury River There is evidence of mining on the Tweed River At Byron Bay, wooden pegs were found which dated to the 15th Century and a huge wooden rudder 40 feet high was found. The treasure ship rudders were 36 fee high. A Chinese stone head was found at Ulladulla and a similar statue on the Nepean River. The fleet sailed in to Cooktown, on the same rout that Cook used centuries later. In fact Cook a,d Christopher Columbus both had maps to not only show them where to go, but which bays to anchor in. Australian should have been called New China.

No earthquake but I'd check your through bolt design if I were you.