Siso

I have no problem with windfarms, worked on them for over 10 years. People in the district are just sick of them being on every hill in every direction you look. Like city people wing when high rises go up next door. And we are doing this as an experiment. No one has ever run a grid the size of Australia's on weather dependent generation before. (Australia only has about 7% traditional hydro and unlikely to get more. Some turbines are easily intergrated into a grid. Once you get above 40% the problem start. Good for saving fuel for GT's and coal powered stations.

Windmills aren't sitting on 150m towers with 162m rotor. They are generally only 30 feet high. Windmills are also not built in large numbers over every hill in site. (unless you live in a city). Not remotely the same thing.

I am talking MW turbines, not toys , pretty sure it is about votes. The majority of people that vote for them live in the citys so they should put up with them. Copenhagen have them everywhere you look around the city. The one in London looks pretty cool. The main word in the last sentence is one. The odd windfarm strewn around the place was OK, but it is just getting out of control. People live in the country to get away from all the industry and ugly built up city views. To do this they make sacrifices like no public transport, 100Km to the closest services SA etc. I came over a hill in the midnorth of SA last Wednesday morning and there was 500MWs of wind in front of me and not one was turning.

If the winfarms/solarfarms are so good why not lobby to put them in city parklands like they do over seas. Less transmission because they are in they major load centres. common sense really. Not much around at the moment.

They are putting them on cropping land in SA at the moment. https://community.akayshaenergy.com/brinkworth-bess Similar thing happened in Goyder wind farm. The council listened to the rate payers and said no. State government overrode the decision. All windfarms go through the state government now. Not one windfarm visible from Adelaide though. They want to build a high building off North terrace but people are trying to stop it. Hypocrites! They probably will though, more votes in the cities for city minded politicians.

I think everyone has biases here, everyone can see it but themselves.

I think we are going to need oil for a long time. We still need oils for lubrication and the big one being plastic. Someone at works has a Tesla (probably the fastest accelerating thing I have been in on the ground). It has a lot of plastic in it. I believe tyres are made from oil now as well. These things will probably get more expensive as the waste products (petrol etc)will need to be pumped back down the holes in the ground instead of being processed and distributed in the atmosphere.

There was a bumper sticker around in the 90"s. "Save the planet, become extinct"

Not sure it will get cheaper.

I agree, the accessibility of troughs at windmills would increase there grazing areas greatly

driving back from Bathurst to SA one night it started to rain., all the roos came on to the road to drink the water. Pulled over and rolled the swags out.

Gina also employs 1000's of Australians in well paying jobs with world class environmental and workplace standards. Brings export dollars into the country as well. Its not her fault she is smart enough to work a system that is governed by our week minded governments. twiggy Forrest does the same playing the government subsidies on the whole hydrogen farce. Nothing illegal.

The loss of jobs is a furphy.. to maintain a renewable system will require as many if not more jobs, and hthe benefit is it will spread it more evenly across the regions as by definition, renwble generation will have to be more distributed, and it has to be maintained. I have spent quite some time in the nuclear generation industry and the amount of people needed to run a nuclear plant isn't what it used to be. Bring in SMRs - and the maintenance is a whole lot less. No one is going in every day and touchign the reactor.. it is the usual stuff like turbines, pumps, etc that are being maintained. That is the same for a coal or nuclear plant. Control systems are far better when they were, and telemetry is deployed a lot more than it was. A lot of the extrra people requied to run a nuclear plant over a coal plant are the helath and safety personnel and much higher levels of security (there is a separate nuclear power police force or something like that in the UK, and they are virtually anti-terrorist units). I wasn't talking about jobs in the energy sector. Jobs that come from having reliable, affordable electricity. Jobs like value adding to our mining industry which would make it more environmentally friendly. exporting ore overseas and the coking coal to process it on large oil burning ships is not good for the environment, especially when part of the volume in that ore is waste. I know NP is expensive but it is plant that will last potentially 80 years with good maintenance. EPR's aren't the most economical to build but there are others that will get cheaper as more are built. Can anyone tell us what the price of a grid run on weather dependent intermittenents (Aust only has about 7% conventional hydro) plus all the extras will costs, storage etc. No-one actual knows because no-one has done it before. Do we really want to put all our eggs in one basket? Germany pushes up the price of Sweden's power so it looks like they aren't going to build another interconnector. Australia has no France, Sweden or Norway to help us out if it fails. Can the last person out turn out the lights (if they are working)- France exporting about 12GW at the moment https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/swedish-government-says-no-new-power-cable-germany-2024-06-14/ https://www.ft.com/content/f0b621a1-54f2-49fc-acc1-a660e9131740 https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR/72h/hourly

We've been over all that before.😑

I do believe in climate change and something needs to be done about. I also believe Australia's contribution is so little we should address it in a sensible way instead of sending the country broke. Being able to mine and process material as close to the mining operation is good for climate change. Sending the raw material overseas on dirty bunker oil burning ships for processing because of the unreliability and cost of the electricity here helps nobody. Australia has some of the best environmental and workplace laws anywhere. Unfortunately that increase cost so we need an abundant source of low carbon, cheap reliable electricity. Intermittent generation is cheap to produce when it is there but extremely expensive when its not. before you say it, Is NP expensive in the long term. Have a look at open Nem. If we could smash the black and brown line at the bottom, the Intermittents and conventional hydro can handle the rest with minimal extra transmission than what we have now, minimal artificial inertia, and some decent pumped hydro. Win win. Why is NP expected to be self sufficient when the current plan is getting subsidised continually. LGC's, CIS, etc etc. Open Electricity: NEM https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-needs-to-quadruple-its-number-of-wind-farms-this-year-none-have-been-funded-20250919-p5mwfc.html