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Sounds like a wind turbine except they dont need to be old. Hot windless days! Hot windy days. They derate, cooling water for genetator and converter get too hot causes them to stop. When we most need them!

Scotland they are paying windfarms not to produce electricity because of transmission constraints. Government is paying to keep Eraring power station open in NSW. The worst thing it is probably still making money, just not enough.

We may need to disagree on that. Worker safety and then $$$$$. Less energy security = more money from governments to fix

I think it infers exactly that.

They don"t care aboyt Australias energy security either

Does matter as the threads name says it powers it. A few years ago when i was working with wtgs a friend who worked for tge council said that the ACC used completely renewable power. I told her when there is no wind at night the oower was coming from gas 15km down tge road. Not her fault, just had been mislead. One of there supplies was a solar farm at Streaky Bay about 700 km away. The issue is it hides from the public how hard the transition is going to be as we get more intermittent generation on the grid and it takes away from the communitys that host these sites and are really using rnewable electricity. You can't even see a wtg from the adelaide metro area. You can see plenty of instaled gas as you cruise around the NW of the city.

There is a lot more to a grid then just the electricity. Your figures dont allow for storage, artificial inertia, tranmission gt back up. Otherwise Sa would have the cheapest electricity in the country. So you cant give me a country. Sa grid is smallest on the NEM (maybe Tassie) so a big difference to a country

Doesnt really matter what is backing up getmany but it shows how far intermittent generation is behind. Sweden was considering not signing a contract for an interconnector to Germany because it pushes electricity prices up in the south of the country. Not sure what ended up there, haven't heard. All those countrys you mentioned have a heap of traditional hydro or geothermal. I specified wind and solar like Australia is attempting to do. Aust has only 8% traditional hydro and not likely to get more. Again name a country that has cheap power delivered to the consumer and close to net 0 using a wind and solar dominated grid? Have a look at electricitymaps and see the countrys that are doing the best with net 0

France would be supporting them even with fossil fuels. They thing is they are supporting their failing intermittents with carbon free nuclear. On Australia's situation, name me a country anywhere in the world that has cheap electricity deliverd to the consumer and got close to net 0 using a grid made up of wind and solar. Australia has only 8% traditional hydro. Germany has 170Gws of instaled wind and solar for a max grid demand of 65 GW and still imports from other countrys. We have no other country. SA last week had a few days where we could have doubled our wind and solar and it still would not have been enough, yet we say we are 70% intermittents. How much is that last 30% going to cost and if we did triple our generation to get that last little bit, there will be a lot of plant laying around doing nothing in the part of the year when the fuel for the intermittents is good. Underutilised plant = $$$$. Ask any earthmover, aircraft owner

Bhp part of albos mob!

So is that at night as well, batterys or creztive accounting?

A lot of mining is already disconnected from the grid. I'm surprised there is not more solar and wind tied directly to them as it would cut down the price of diesel as well as freight. The wtg company I worked for was in talks with a couple, but nothing came of it.

Pity industry will have trouble disconnevtibg to the grid. The more people that disconnect the harder it will be to compete. China are laughing there heads off i reckon

Making large steps in nuclear power development as well as India