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Not sure it will get cheaper.

I agree, the accessibility of troughs at windmills would increase there grazing areas greatly

driving back from Bathurst to SA one night it started to rain., all the roos came on to the road to drink the water. Pulled over and rolled the swags out.

Gina also employs 1000's of Australians in well paying jobs with world class environmental and workplace standards. Brings export dollars into the country as well. Its not her fault she is smart enough to work a system that is governed by our week minded governments. twiggy Forrest does the same playing the government subsidies on the whole hydrogen farce. Nothing illegal.

The loss of jobs is a furphy.. to maintain a renewable system will require as many if not more jobs, and hthe benefit is it will spread it more evenly across the regions as by definition, renwble generation will have to be more distributed, and it has to be maintained. I have spent quite some time in the nuclear generation industry and the amount of people needed to run a nuclear plant isn't what it used to be. Bring in SMRs - and the maintenance is a whole lot less. No one is going in every day and touchign the reactor.. it is the usual stuff like turbines, pumps, etc that are being maintained. That is the same for a coal or nuclear plant. Control systems are far better when they were, and telemetry is deployed a lot more than it was. A lot of the extrra people requied to run a nuclear plant over a coal plant are the helath and safety personnel and much higher levels of security (there is a separate nuclear power police force or something like that in the UK, and they are virtually anti-terrorist units). I wasn't talking about jobs in the energy sector. Jobs that come from having reliable, affordable electricity. Jobs like value adding to our mining industry which would make it more environmentally friendly. exporting ore overseas and the coking coal to process it on large oil burning ships is not good for the environment, especially when part of the volume in that ore is waste. I know NP is expensive but it is plant that will last potentially 80 years with good maintenance. EPR's aren't the most economical to build but there are others that will get cheaper as more are built. Can anyone tell us what the price of a grid run on weather dependent intermittenents (Aust only has about 7% conventional hydro) plus all the extras will costs, storage etc. No-one actual knows because no-one has done it before. Do we really want to put all our eggs in one basket? Germany pushes up the price of Sweden's power so it looks like they aren't going to build another interconnector. Australia has no France, Sweden or Norway to help us out if it fails. Can the last person out turn out the lights (if they are working)- France exporting about 12GW at the moment https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/swedish-government-says-no-new-power-cable-germany-2024-06-14/ https://www.ft.com/content/f0b621a1-54f2-49fc-acc1-a660e9131740 https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR/72h/hourly

We've been over all that before.😑

I do believe in climate change and something needs to be done about. I also believe Australia's contribution is so little we should address it in a sensible way instead of sending the country broke. Being able to mine and process material as close to the mining operation is good for climate change. Sending the raw material overseas on dirty bunker oil burning ships for processing because of the unreliability and cost of the electricity here helps nobody. Australia has some of the best environmental and workplace laws anywhere. Unfortunately that increase cost so we need an abundant source of low carbon, cheap reliable electricity. Intermittent generation is cheap to produce when it is there but extremely expensive when its not. before you say it, Is NP expensive in the long term. Have a look at open Nem. If we could smash the black and brown line at the bottom, the Intermittents and conventional hydro can handle the rest with minimal extra transmission than what we have now, minimal artificial inertia, and some decent pumped hydro. Win win. Why is NP expected to be self sufficient when the current plan is getting subsidised continually. LGC's, CIS, etc etc. Open Electricity: NEM https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-needs-to-quadruple-its-number-of-wind-farms-this-year-none-have-been-funded-20250919-p5mwfc.html

We are already subsidising intermittent generation, GT's running for inetia, syn cons, transmission for the dispersed generation and loss of industry(jobs for our kids)

NP has pretty well the same water use as a coal plant. Used fuel can be managed and it will get easier as technology improves. Tidal has been tries in Australia and has not been very successful a tide power generator sunk off the coast of adelaide https://adelaideaz.com/articles/wave-energy-generator-becomes-an-artificial-reef-after-sinking-off-carrickalinga--south-of-adelaide_copy Solar is good during the day, gets really expensive at night-storage artificial inertia. We import battery, solar panels, wind turbines. One thing about NP is we pretty well know the supply chains for the fuel and you need so little you can keep years in a small storage area. Unused nuclear fuel is harmless (would not eat it) and a fuel pellet can be held in your hand. we know some of the supply chains for minerals needed in weather dependent renewables is not really ideal, both environmentally and worker safety. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/cobalt-mining-in-the-congo-green-energy/100802588

Reneweconomy isn't really an unbiased source when it comes to NP. Its like getting Coal Australia to comment on Renewables. Building NPP has come to a bit of a standstill because of the bad publicity of Chernobyl and Fukushima but as more information is becoming available more is starting to happen. China are developing new NP which will be a large step forward. UK have started the process of building Sizewell C which is going to comprise 2 x 1750MW EPR reactors. Surprising as it is the same type as Hinkley. Canada have started building some 300MW BWRs. France is planning to build more to replace their aging fleet. Sweden are in the process of lifting their as is Denmark. Sweden is sick of Germany affecting the price in the south of country especially since they shut down all their low carbon synchronous generation The remaining unit at Three Mile island is looking at restarting and there is talk of Indian Point in New York restarting as well. Momentum is building. Australia use to have some of the cheapest electricity in the world and know it is getting towards the most expensive. This is not including the billions of dollars the government is throwing at it. Some more last weekend for the capacity investment scheme. We may or may not be being left behind. Do we really want all our eggs in one basket with weather dependent intermittent generation when no-one in the world has done it? .

Love pumped hydro. Unfortunately the one planned for SA wasn't profitable enough https://arena.gov.au/knowledge-bank/cultana-pumped-hydro-energy-storage-project-phase-2/

Unfortunately the ABC's concern is to keep LNP out and the worst thing is they are funded by the tax payer. I think the ABC needs some more political diversity.

No one has said do nothing. There is just other ways of doing things that more is known about. Obviously the whole intermittent thing is proving to be very expensive and nowhere as easy as the people who are making a lot of money out of it will tell us.

Tassie has the easiest path with their hydro, good wind resource, small grid demand and population. They still use gas and imports from Victoria. My source is openNem, accessible to anyone. Albo and Chris Bowen will be happy to see some people believe them. Maybe it is possible at a huge cost but if it doesn't work Australia will be stuffed. Aircraft have redundant systems, we are going into this with none. Humans started with fire and increased technology with more and more dense energy sources. What we are trying is now heading in the opposite direction. Attached below is from SA in June this year, supposed to be doing really well. We could double the intermittent generation in this example and it would still wouldn't be enough. This is the problem, we need a lot more generation and storage to get through times like this. It goes the other way sometimes, but which ever way it goes there is always a lot of underutilised plant. Underutilised plant cost dollars, no-one has actually told us how much. You don't see airlines with many extra aircraft laying around or earthmovers with the odd dozer just sitting in a yard to often. Marked is how much grid size battery SA has, doesn't displace much gas Open nem.pdf

Creative accounting, look at the link, real world generation. All the planning for net 0 has been done by modelling which isn't always accurate. CSIRO won't release the modelling. Open Electricity: Tasmania

Open Electricity: Tasmania Tassies energy profile last 12 months. gas is orange, purple imports from Victoria. In the real physical world, Tassie isn't 100% renewable. Using creative accounting, maybe.

Pumped hydro and battery's don't generate electricity. Not a loaded description, just describes Australia's situation, only about 7% traditional hydro available, the rest is weather depended intermittent generation. Any country in the world that has decarbonised their electricity grid has large amounts of traditional hydro or/and NP. No one really knows how much it will cost, but the government will just keep throwing OUR money at it as it looks like they did on the Weekend. Not sure Matt Keanes opinion would be non biased. It is just as easy to find someone who does not agree with him. Tassie also use Victoria's Brown coal through the Bass Link and run there gas turbines regularly so not really even 100% renewable. Last time gas turbines ran August 2025

We are only at about 40%? after 15 years or so which has been the easy part. If we are going to continue down the weather dependent intermittents path it is going to get a lot harder because we need to build all the supporting infrastructure, a lot which will be underutilised anyway.- batterys, syncons some more gas turbines to replace the older ones and transmission as well as the extra generation. Pipe Dream! Has anybody heard the cost to the tax payer and electricity consumer?

Used fuel can be managed safely and will only get better. Only problem is uninformed public and politicians. People are getting cancers from badly manage chemicals all the time from houses built on contaminated sites, bad ground water, asbestos etc. Radiation is easily detected.

Decommissioning cost can be added to the electricity cost, part of a cent/kW. I believe this is how it is done in the US. Newer nuclear plants are built with decommissioning in mind. The spent fuel is no more hazardous than many other chemicals that we use that are dangerous forever, just gets a lot more publicity. The nasty stuff decays in 300 or 500 years depending who you ask. Most of the rest can be recycled and reused-France. Pretty well all can be used if fast reactors become main stream. It was found that the waste products in the natural reactor in Oklo Gambon didn't migrate far from the reactor. (energyprof -youtube.) Nuclear can be ramped up and down. Frances reactors do this pretty well every day. Traditionally it wasn't a priority in the design as they just ran flat out. There are newer reactors that have this in mind and are being usd to heat a salt like the coal plant does in Ireland with pumped hydro. The generator runs flat out, fills the dam at night and then get extra capacity. New design of reactor, some of which have been built have passive cooling. The whole war thing is the only thing I have reservations about. France exporting about 12GWs at the moment 2.16 into industrial basket case Germany. Unfortunately Australia has no France or Sweden. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR/72h/hourly

Can you list problems with nuclear that are not political or public perception, not Chernobyl or Fukushima

China are leading the world with nuclear gen 4 development. Another tool in the fight against global warming.

We are still waiting for an honest cost of the intermittents plan!

Lets start putting some CEO's in prison. We were always told they get their good salaries because the buck stops with them. Corporates are always pushing the boundary. Banks have form as we found out from the royal commission a few years ago. I think the worst that was happened was one of them lost his job with a big payout. Qantas is the same, Woolworths ect. If any of us deliberately did what they try to get away with the consequences would be different. They have lawyers to supposedly keep them compliant.

We don't know if private investors won't touch it. NP is currently banned in Australia so no company has ever looked at it seriously. LIFT THE BAN! The problem is the large cost out lay initially. If governments wanted to finance it they could build and sell later if they wanted to. I personally would rather they didn't. There a several companies that are designing small NPP for mine sites and small isolated communities. Approx. up to 20MWe that only need refueling every 20 years or so. Maybe cheaper than diesel in the long run, the problem is you have to pay for all the fuel you need for that 20 years upfront.