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Not being negative, just being realistic. Australia is/has become a quarry and I am concerned for my kids and grandkids future. Recently did a course with some workers from Bell Bay. All were in their early 20's, I wander how they are feeling! Build a new plant. We need some industry. Exporting our carbon emissions overseas is not good for Australia prosperity or the worlds carbons emmisions anyway. Far better to do some value adding here economically or environmentally even if it does mean keeping our coal for longer. Even if intermittents are going to work, we aren't ready for them and jumping the gun is costing us.

Australian industry is moving overseas! Bell bay smelter is closing down by the looks of it.Solar is high cost when you look past the generating electricity part.

Specifically talking Australia. Yep, remember when that report came out. Pumped hydro also has a round trip efficiency of about 80% which is pretty good.

If they are so good(and I love pumped hydro) Why aren't they building more. Ireland has one that fills up at night with coal and then runs with coal during the day. That runs well. Turlogh hill I think. You are right there are other spots around the east coast of Australia, doesn't do the rest of us much good. You think they would have had some geologists and engineers that would have allowed for hitting rock when boring through a mountain in the initial price. I think they under quoted so they could get started and then slug the government more money later on. bet that has never been done before!! Same ting is happening with a lot of transmission projects https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/transgrid-inflated-cost-of-running-power-line-underground-farmers-20230718-p5dp2o https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-01/energy-transmission-project-billion-blowout/104983108

We have been talking about a truck with a smaller diesel than it needs and a battery(hybrid). Having the diesel sized for best efficiency but have access to the battery for the odd hill. Australia is reasonably flat once we get away from the east coast. Just throwing ideas around.

Pumped hydro is not really electricty generation, just shifts the time. Also looks like it can be quite expensive. Snowy2 quoted at $4B, currently at $12B and talking $20B and they reckon nuclear goes over budget! Apart from the alpine regions Australia hasn't really got the climate as the water has to come from somewhere still unless you use sea water. Only one I know of and that is in Japan(Kunigami, Okinawa) and I don't think it is currently being used. Priced up one in SA but looks like there wasn't enough money in it. see attached. Tidal is still a young technology although people have been looking at it for years. salt water and machinery don't mix. One sunk off the coast of SA a few years ago when it was being towed to position. Australia's good geothermal area is a long way from anywhere so transmission is an issue. Also has been looked at for years but not much happening. (Petratherm been at it for years) No one has with a GW size grid, successfully got close to net 0 unless they have a heap of traditional hydro(Norway), accessible geothermal(Iceland), Nuclear(France ) , generous neibours(Lithuania) or a mixture of these(Sweden, New Zealand) Comments welcome😁 See https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/FR/72h/hourly https://arena.gov.au/knowledge-bank/cultana-pumped-hydro-energy-storage-project-phase-2/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/works-finally-begin-to-partially-remove-carrickalinga-oceanlinx/13237328

Unless you have a lot of traditional hydro. Australia only has about 8% and not likely to get more. Geothermal in Iceland's case

I didn't mention who was in power! You must be feeling guilty. The whole system has been sub par for many years. I know you think the current bloke can do no wrong but they have had 5 years to repair the damage previous governments have done, but nothing has happened. He said nothing in his public address and wasted everyones time. He, they are no better than any other politician of recent times. I would love to see Albo and Bowen admit we need more processing of fossil fuels in Australia but it won't happen.

If you are talking of the fuel crisis, the current bloke has been in politics for a long time so he was/is a part of the problem!

I'm not a scientist either but know about it and I have no skin in the game. pretty poor really.

Like I said, pretty major part of what they are trying to sell.

It is pretty important if the transition is a major policy of your party! If its your job to sell those tyres, its pretty important to have know what the main contributers to the process are. CO2 is the one we hear about all the time in the climate debate.

I did use to believe we needed the big business to supply jobs for Australia, but now the politicians have been bought by big business. Too many politicians of all sides go and work for the businesses that belong to portfolios they use to have. Out and out conflict of interest but none of them are going to change it. Does make our political system a con. Oops wrong thread.

Still shows how much are politicians are just winging it. Pretty basic question really.

Often thought that the "how to vote" cards should carry a message that to vote for you first preference, you don't have to follow this card or something similar- and big enough so you can read it.

It will free us from industry, we don't even make intermittent generators here.

" The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money"- Margret Thatcher

Kyle forgot to add UK to the list. Although they have had no end of trouble with Hinkley, They are going to build more. New Zealand so have a some wind but it is only an addon to their hydro and geothermal. Australia has not much Hydro (about 8%) and no real accessible geo thermal France id exporting 15GW of electricty over the border at the moment including to Germany. see electricitymaps where you can see NZ as well. It shows who is doing the best. Hint, its not Germany https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/FR/72h/hourly

95% yes, Australia's contribution to it is that small it is not worth sending the country broke going hell for leather at reducing our part. Lets do it sustainably. Our rules for industry enviromental compliance is also a lot more stringent then other country's we trade with as well. The best thing Australia can do for climate change is export uranium!

All the countrys we are trading against use coal. Personally I haven't got a problem with it as long as we head to not using it in an orderly fashion. (like China and India- India has jut started a fast reactor in the last couple of days)One of the things that is sending our remaining industry overseas is the price and perceived unreliability of our weather dependent intermittent electricity generation.

Would Canavan really be any worse than any of the others. Looks like he would get some industry going, eg making fertiliser. Phosphate Hill may be going down the tube. We are trying to go green but buying are fertiliser from country that is putting industry first. Jobs for our kids. It would be good if we did the same, we have all the ingredients and don't have to transport it on dirty bunker oil burning ships, so it is greener than what we are doing now.

Definately agree that we need politician that have done other stuff except politics

Not when the conversation is started. They should reply, even if it is from their office, which is what I was expecting during the whole episode.

Being invited and already having an email has definitely started a relationship, and remembering these people also "work" for us!

As far as this government and past ones, My kids still can't afford a house, we pay for expensive electricity unless we have enough money for solar panels and have a house to put them on. Our smelting is closing down so we export raw commodities and we have no industry's. So governments in recent times are doing a bad job including the current one! I could go on.