Grumpy Old Nasho

Cut the cost of keeping them in jail, crims get it too good now. Punish them more by giving them less benefits in jail, and cut out parole.

What's wrong with instructing the judges to impose much heavier sentences ... 100 days community service for robbery should be replaced with 500 days in jail ... 8 years in jail for manslaughter should be replaced with 20 years in jail ... 25 years for murder should be replaced with 35 years ... and abolish parole, it's useless.

I see that as a major flaw in our system - twenty years was far too long. Our system needs to be changed so that everyone gets a look in regardless of election results. Democracy could be more inclusive so that an elected government can't just do what it likes. Controversial policies, which many of them are, need to be thrashed out in public as well as in Parliament to eliminate the "controversy". Only then should they be implemented. For you guys, I'll start a thread about the "Feast and Famine Variable". You'll find it unbelievable because I discovered it. I discovered it in 1979, and researched it ever since.

It still boils down to the fact that the electorate was in the wrong during the 60s, and the social change, if any, was too little to put sense into peoples heads. But I don't remember any social change then anyway. It all came in 72. Big changes came after Vietnam, it was the main catalyst. The problem was, Whitlam waited till the next election in 72 to put forth those changes. The whole nation should have been discussing changes from 65 - on, but no, everyones self interest was the order of the day, selfish and couldn't give a stuff. In the meantime a great deal of damage was being done to the young blokes. No one took responsibility for their own bastardry, which included the voting electorate. They were wrong, but won't admit it. They can't wait for the conscripts die off, so they don't have to think about them any longer. So the one social change that didn't come about, when it should have, was compensating young blokes for being conscripted when it wasn't necessary to conscript them. Everyone now agrees with that. They are still the same today, because the system is still the same today .. wait till the next election to put forth changes.

Things don't change until there's an election. We had to wait till the next election to get the Liberal Coalition booted out. By that time, even more damage had been done. What I'm asserting is that once it was recognized that conscription was going to be damaging to young guys, and going to war in Vietnam was not such a good idea, then that's when something should have been done, and not waiting till 1972 to do something. If it was not good in '72, then why was it good in '65?. In only seven short years, voters had realized they had been totally stupid continuing to vote the Coalition in, and when they stopped, they still didn't feel guilty enough to force the government to give compensation to the conscripts. Conscription has never been popular in Australia, and there was doubts about our involvement in Vietnam from early on, no one even knew where Vietnam was. Many lives were lost, all for nothing. There should have been accountability outside of the electoral process. Voters were ignorant beyond belief, and Liberal politicians had mush for brains. A complete and thorough assessment of all the future consequences needed to be looked at BEFORE getting involved. Chances are, based on the '72 election result, we would have decided we'd have no conscription, and only very limited involvement with the US in Vietnam. Informed and educated foresight wasn't really a virtue of any voter or politician then, was it? Is it a virtue today? I haven't seen much lately.

And those who say there's not much crime, sympathize with the crims and go easy on them, no matter how vicious the crime.

There's a lot more people saying there's no justice anymore.

Have you seen families exiting court houses saying "There's no justice any more"?

You reckon you wouldn't get emotional if a machete was held at your neck?

Suffice to say that EVERYTHING changed after we got out of Vietnam. Everything changed because we just could not keep going the way we were. The political landscape changed completely. The Liberal Coalition got thrown out and had to wake up to themselves. The English cop Peter whatshisname was employed to de-contaminate the NSW police force. Aboriginals were being giving more of a fair go. The military was being asked to change to become a Professional military, completely different to the previous fight by the seat-of-your-pants military. Foreign relations with Vietnam did a complete 180degree turnaround, yet it was still communist after they won the war, and they are not under our beds.

The usual generic cliche. Statistics hardly matter when every second teen carries around a machete or a knife, and nearly every Lebonese is a drug dealer, and an Asian kills a whole family then we never hear any more about it. A black African teen stabs to death a woman trying to lock her car, and still no court case ensuing, he's being protected by the multiculturalism brigade. It's the lack of any societal human brain cells involved in today's vicious crimes, and sentencing, that we should be looking at, not cooked up statistics

Had we been on the ball, we would have said Aust and the US stunk to the high heaven with organized crime and corruption, and assassinations in the US, they killed JFK, King, John Connally and Oswald. Kings Cross in Aust was full of crime figures, and Melbourne. We could have pointed out that we were more of a threat to ourselves than tiny N/Vietnam was to us, especially since Communism was legal in Aust, we had a Communist party accepted by the AEC, and that there was not threat of Communists invading Aust from up north.

It's a pity law and order wasn't restored down here .. look at all the crime, it's shocking.

Nah, gotta get rid of the illegals and restore law and order.

President Trump is showing California what MAGA is all about. He ought to cut California off and let it float away into the wild blue sea of the Pacific Ocean.