Grumpy Old Nasho

Yes One Nation just did OK, quite encouraging. We should urge them on to bring about a bright future for all Australians in all States.

Just the same, we need massive change. The major parties have ignored the disenfranchised for far too long and now it's catching up with them. They've also swapped Australianism for Internationalism, and now they're paying for that too.

If One Nation ends up with 22% of the vote, they should be entitled to 22% of the seats.

Local Councils have have most of the say, and small communities within the Councils areas of control have to beg for crumbs. Presently, Local Councils are skint and can't provide much more than basic services within their tight budgets. Candidates running for Council say "Vote for me, Vote for me", then when elected, they're never seen again, let alone be seen to be doing anything for the small communities. They just become faceless creatures trying to hide the promises they made. Our Community Committee, which has a determined President and Secretary, stick it up the Council and get them to get off their asses, so to speak, and get answers in fairly quick time, and get changes made that are sensible and viable. If it was left up to the Council, we'd only get what it wants to do, which would be very inefficient and create resentment among the locals. There have been decisions made by Council for our small community that have been absolutely absurd. Enter our President and Secretary to get the Council to see the error of their ways and change things so they make sense. Local Committees with nothing to lose, can be quite powerful. We need more of them, even large ones to keep governments in line, as well as Local Councils.

Yes easily. In principle, just expand it to include those extra provisions.

Did you see that Jerry? ... "Preferences help, but major parties still dominate outcomes" Minor parties need to become major parties before they can govern OZ, unless of course two or more join forces as one large party, but with still no guarantee of winning seats in Parliament, in which case, if they don't, their votes will have no value. We need a system where every vote has value, a PR system.

We have a Community Committee here in the bush where I live. It is more useful than any politician. There's no politics or ideologies, only just working on issues to make things better for us in the immediate area. Lobbying the local Council is usually necessary for larger issues. We hold community meetings with eats and drinks afterwards, no outside politicians to spoil anything. The rest of Australia could learn from us, just work on issues, not who's best at doing them, but just getting them done.

My internet has slowed right up, got to fix things here.

I said a quota of votes. If One Nation had won, I'd be still advocating for Proportional Representation. It would temper any extreme policies of governing parties.

Yeah, half the population - Great! This is why we need Proportional Representation. A place in the Lower House for all candidates who win a quota so that all votes will end up having value.

"No, it is fair. That's how democracy works. Each vote counts because that's how they work out who won. Therefore each vote has value." So, by that logic, a vote only has value when it's in a scrutineer's hand, and the value drops to zero after that and not deserving of any representation even under a mandatory voting system ... is that what you've deduced?

No it's not fair because any vote that doesn't help to win a seat, loses all it's value and counts for nothing, it's not worth the paper it's written on.

Same thing, if I'm understanding your post correctly. What we really need is Proportional Representation, so that all votes have value, and a say in Parliament. The way it is at the moment, millions of votes have no value, and no say in anything. Technically, they are unrepresented in Parliament, and shouldn't have to pay tax that funds the ideological whims of other parties that win Government.

Who is that dumbcluck 𝐒𝐮𝐤𝐡 𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐡𝐮, the author of that long Facebook post? He's brain dead, he's saying Democracy only works when Labor gets seats, and One Nation fails to get any. I wonder what he'd say if One Nation got enough seats to form Government, and Labor got only one or two seats? Would Democracy still be working then? Apparently not, according to numpty Sukh Sandhu.

It's all very exciting isn't it?