Scotty from Marketing

[Yenn]

Our constitution allows for ministers to be responsible for certain portfolios. Originally there was a maximum of seven allowed, but that may have been increased by government.

If a minister is responsible how come there can be another so called minister also responsible?

This is just another display of the trickery of Scott Morrison, who cannot be trusted and doesn't know how to be truthful. Does anyone believe him when he says he cannot think of any other ministries he may have taken over when the journos questioned him about the first two?

The sooner he is thrown out of parliament and preferably into jail, the better.

We have seen it in USA where the Republicans are welded to Trump, In the UK where the conservatives are in the same boat with Johnson, now it is in Australia where the Libs cannot let go of Morrison as well as Howard. Both of them were a liability, although Morrison has done a vast amount of damage to Australia.

I suppose I should not be surprised, if anyone is capable of believing in God, there has to be a flaw in their intelligence. A case of education taking over from intelligence, as educated by religious schools.

[willedoo]

3 hours ago, red750 said:

Josh Frydenberg is ‘furious’ at Morrison’s treasury swipe.

And yet when Secret Scotty held the press conference, he claimed him and Josh are the best of mates and always will be, and Josh is cool with it. Nothing to see there, move along.

[facthunter]

I suggest you won't find many people who would say Sco mo is a really good bloke unless there was a reason. Gladys said HE was a "Horrible Horrible"' Man. Not JUST Horrible Note.  Nev

[Yenn]

Latest news is that the Governor Generals diary has no mention of him swearing on Scumbag as minister for the new 5 positions. That seems suss to me. Would you expect the G.G. to omit something of that importance from his diary?

If he is not in cahoots with scumbag then he must be incompetent. I surprises me that an ex general could be so deficient.

[facthunter]

Everyone seems to agree that it was LEGAL. We will be advised more on this  aspect tomorrow (Monday). Nev

[Yenn]

Maybe it was legal, but surely the G.G. has some responsibility to make a note of it in his diary. mIt looks as if the G.G. is covering up for Scumbag or is actually aiding and abetting him. Does business conduct its affairs without any records being kept of something quite serious and if so why does government not do the same.

[pmccarthy]

...because NOTHING will save the Governor General.

[willedoo]

9 minutes ago, Yenn said:

Maybe it was legal, but surely the G.G. has some responsibility to make a note of it in his diary. mIt looks as if the G.G. is covering up for Scumbag or is actually aiding and abetting him. Does business conduct its affairs without any records being kept of something quite serious and if so why does government not do the same.

That's official government business. I'd think it would all have to be recorded by convention if not law. It beggars belief that the Queens representative and our defacto head of state would swear in five ministeries and have no record of it. Anyway, if the GG gets the boot, there's a country on the other side of the world looking for experienced generals. Rumour has it they are short of a few lately.

[onetrack]

His title should be General Incompetence. We haven't seen the last of this, seeing as the Beetroot's interview this morning was nothing short of a train wreck, contradicting himself with every second sentence. HTF did we end up with fools like this as a senior political leader?

 

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[facthunter]

Courtesy of the National Party of wheatsheafs and cows morphed into Coal, Gas and Nuclear and stuff the farmers who were their base ONCE  Kickback takers of the world unite. Beats working for a living.. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

42 minutes ago, onetrack said:

HTF did we end up with fools like this as a senior political leader?

Because, democracy, while still the best system, is imperfect. We have a concentration of ownership of the press, who spit out attentions seeking headlines tha tpush their agenda, in the knowledge that is probably most of what most of the population will read, let alone the story underneath them - which often does not support what the headline says. People these days are too busy or lazy to read past the headlines, and maybe the first couple of paragraphs (teaser section) of the articles.

 

The journos and the press barons know this and they use it to their agenda's advantage, which is to push power towards achieveing their commercial gains.

 

I recall, in primary school, the lessons about newspapers was to use, then, The Sun (now Herald-Sun) as the sample newspaper, where to find various bits. That was grade 5 primary school. In year 12, they said read The Age as it is more reliable than, The Sun and.. can you believe it, the now fallen masthead, The Truth (of course, page 3 was a cause for teenage boys wanting to consume that paper).

 

Nowhere in the education system in Victoria, at the time, was how to assess soureces of information to ascertain the facts. One teacher did say you can't trust anythjing you read, but did not elaborate. High school students were no match for skilled journos who can make a story seem to be watertight on the facts.. and I am gueessing for the bulk of the population today, that is still the case.

 

That, and inherited bias is how you get the FWs you get today... and yesterday.. Very few PMs or pollies have had vision and courage to implement them.

[Old Koreelah]

We get the government we deserve?

[nomadpete]

10 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

We get the government we deserve?

A popular saying. But I cannot agree with it.

 

 

[old man emu]

We get the government that we are given by the powerful.

[Old Koreelah]

2 hours ago, nomadpete said:

A popular saying. But I cannot agree with it.

 

 

But in the broad sweep of history, it holds true that we get the government we deserve. In Australia, the recent vote proves that it takes a decade for the electorate to realise how badly they’ve been governed.
 

How many of us read deeper than the headlines?

How many of us quickly forget the blatant lies we’ve been told?
How many of us stand up against our modern-day Goebells who is, as we speak, stirring up hatred and division?

We too often blame the Guvmint for everything and expect it to cure all our ills. With few exceptions, when a politician has told the truth and relied on the electorate’s common sense efforts to solve national problems, they’ve been voted into the wilderness. 
 

[willedoo]

48 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

In Australia, the recent vote proves that it takes a decade for the electorate to realise how badly they’ve been governed.

Harry S. Truman — 'How many times do you have to get hit over the head until you figure out who's hitting you.'

[facthunter]

Don't blame me  I didn't ever vote for them. Some people must enjoy suffering.  A test is ...Would I like this person to be a close neighbour?  Then I look at John Howard and go AAAAARGH. If he's their best, forget the rest.  Nev

[old man emu]

We are suffering from an unfortunate side-effect of the origins of British settlement in Australia. The British government established the colony for both international and internal political reasons. It injected the colony into a land where the inhabitants were not up to the agricultural and technical levels of Britain. Therefore, the British Government had to provide everything from flour and salt to nails and axes. That was a reasonable step. Mankind will do the same when it begins to inhabit off-Earth places. And the British had learned from their experiences in colonising the New World. This situation continued for at least 75 years before the efforts of those who came here freely, or had completed their servitude, were able to take over the supply of the basic needs of the population. However, the Governments still held control of land and importation of materials.

 

So we had a new culture developing from a melting pot. The result was a culture that was a plum pudding of good and bad attitudes and practices. One of those attitudes was the belief that Governments should be responsible for provided the needs of the population. Stemming from that attituded is the unquestioning acceptance of the authority of Governments. Therefore, if the Government told us something, then we took it as the Gospel truth. It has only been occasionally that the population has risen up against a Government and, by pen not powder, deposed it, giving an alternative approach a go. However, whichever way the political scale pointed, we still expect the Government to supply our flour and salt. 

[facthunter]

The expectation of what the government should do seems to grow . OK IF you're prepared to pay for it but most want to pay no tax and suggest any  social service makes it a Communist state Like the USA..Do people take some responsibility for risk taken where Houses are sited? Clearly many developers are complicit but if you'd asked older inhabitants where houses are likely to be flooded they will tell you. Also beach front houses built on sand getting eroded. Lovely when everything's going OK but many will be swept away, and that's predictable.   Nev

[Yenn]

Just listen to the media. There is a never ending array of people being reported as in need of protection from everything from bankers to con artists and crook builders. the usual refrain is that the government must do something about it, but those same people do not want to foot the bill or even be held responsible for using common sense.

Battered women are demanding housing to get away from their battering partners, or maybe it is do gooders doing the demanding, but nobody seems to think it would be better to stop those battering partners.

There seems to be a massive problem with people having no homes, but who is responsible for housing them? Should we have government supplied public housing for everyone? They tried that in some countries and it just became slum tenements.

[facthunter]

Don't listen to the Media Yenn.  No rational brain should be so abused and damaged. Waste  of time and trees.  Nev

[nomadpete]

I think Yen makes a valid point.

Our society is stuck between two opposing systems.

All at once the populace blindly demands the government to protect us all from forseeable calamities (housing shortages, floods, bushfires, etc) whilst objecting to governments trying to meddle in our lives (over regulation).

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Old Koreelah]

The opposing idea is resilience: even small blips in our national life now cause major trauma for lots of people. Supply chains have been stretched and broken. Most homes have less than a weeks’ supplies; most supermarkets about three day’s worth. We can’t expect the guvmint to fix everything.

[pmccarthy]

Herbert Hoover believe in self help rather than government intervention. Before he was President, he organised flood relief in the USA and the relief of Belgium during the war on that basis. His ideas failed when hit by the Great Depression and the voters kicked him out.

[nomadpete]

My point is that the average Aussie is vehemently anti communist, yet demand the guvmint must immediately 'fix it' whenever stuff goes wring in life - even down to the minorities. 

The communist model relies (ideally) on government to reistribute wealth in order to provide for everyone equally. To regulate and control life, to provide universal health and food, etc.

 

As a community we have brought over regulation onto ourselves. Created our own cotton wool approach to life hoping that laws will protect us from all evil (crapthat happens in life). We have abandoned our traditional resourcefulness, where we took responsibility for our actions and worked to overcome the 'disadvantages' that life deals out to individuals.

 

Basically when shyte happens, modern aussies expect the government to fix it instead of getting on with personally getting on with taking action.

 

Eg: a minority suffer from domestic violence. Our community identifies this is terrible. So we expect our government to fix this by passing laws against it. Such laws will do nothing to improve the situation. But nobody is writing to their local MP to complain about it. And when anyone hears a domestic, they close the window so to keep the noise out.

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by nomadpete