How Australia Perfected Solar Power and Then Went Back to Coal

[Old Koreelah]

... the evidence is so strong that climate change is happening...How come there are so many disbelievers? ...

Perhaps genetic variation leaves a good proportion of us very resistant to change. I still refuse to get on Facebook, etc.

 

We'd be a sick society if everyone agreed, and a very dangerous one if everybody was easily convinced.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Perhaps genetic variation leaves a good proportion of us very resistant to change. I still refuse to get on Facebook, etc.

Then you are the loser in today's education process - the equivalent of the country person who doesn't want to go into town.

 

As against the ramblings of some of this thread, some of the most compelling evidence on social media comes from photos.

 

 

[facthunter]

Many of which are photoshopped, so you need to be very sceptical to survive. When you study how your eyes work with the brain, you can't always believe them either. Nev

 

 

[geoffreywh]

I can't see a thing because of the sand I have buried my head in, can't hear a thing either, it's blocking my ears too. However my mouth is wide open.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

everyone getting on the solar bandwagon, even the poms

 

http://www.fastcoexist.com/3036722/this-floating-bike-path-in-the-thames-would-give-london-cyclists-a-car-free-commute

 

 

[facthunter]

WE have lots of sun. Here would be better than almost any place on earth. Nev

 

 

[Methusala]

Did you change your mind after one SBS show?

I guess that some people don't allow themselves to be blind to the evidence! Radical eh? Even that many years ago we have stories about St Paul's revelation on the road to Damascus.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

facts, much overrated

 

 

[Guest Captain1]

[Teckair]

Now called climate change.

 

 

[Guest Captain1]

Now called climate change.

And the name will be changed again soon if it suits the spin doctors of the global environmental movement, or if Prof. Plimer and Dr. Patrick Moore are correct and we have entered into the next cooling cycle.

 

 

[facthunter]

Are all the people who don't believe it, and a very small % of the suitably qualified scientists, who don't, so sure they have it right, willing to bet everything on their views being correct, because if they are not right nearly "everything " will be at threat. Unmitigated growth is obviously a recipe for total chaos. Growth gives short term prosperity for a few at great cost for the many. 4 degrees rise is not just a few more hot days... It's a world we cannot imagine fully. There is BIG money trying to convince you all is OK. Their motives are suspect, because it is mostly the coal oil and gas industries supporting the views promoted. Smart people are getting out of those investments, like the Rockefella's, but they wouldn't know anything. Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

That's bizarre, Ipswich has hit 40C in October and you still think its cooling?

 

 

[skeptic36]

That's bizarre, Ipswich has hit 40C in October and you still think its cooling?

Forecast top temp for Bruthen today 20 with an overnight low of 7, in November.... Hmmm he could be right

 

 

[fly_tornado]

This further indicates that the temperatures are becoming more unstable and with a gradual rise. I've noticed SE QLD has definitely gotten hotter and drier since the mid 2000s. Who would want to be a farmer these days?

 

 

[facthunter]

Weather and climate are not the same. More extremes have been predicted but the records are in the higher temps not the lower, and we are getting plenty of them. Are there any glaciers not shrinking? The main source of this cooling and not warming not happening stuff in Australia is the Murdoch papers. The second biggest shareholder in NewsCorpse is a Saudi Sheik and I reckon he wants to sell oil.. Nev

 

 

[Guest Captain1]

That's bizarre, Ipswich has hit 40C in October and you still think its cooling?

That argument is spurious Flighty as it was 5.5 C here in Echuca last night and those of us without a jumper decided that the world is definitely cooling.

 

 

 

If one or 2 hot days is your basis of wrecking the Aussie economy to build windmills and kill eagles, then I can't help you any more.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

This further indicates that the temperatures are becoming more unstable and with a gradual rise. I've noticed SE QLD has definitely gotten hotter and drier since the mid 2000s. Who would want to be a farmer these days?

You know they grew grapes/made wine in Northern regions of England in the Roman periods don't you? They haven't been able to since because of the decrease in sunshine days and lowered temps (and before industrial period).

 

I'm going to regret posting this, all I can say is "Don't shoot the messenger"

 

https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/CTI/Cold-Truth?dkt_nbr=d8lemf8e

 

 

[Guest Captain1]

Well I'm happy to put a counter argument forward, so shoot away ...............

 

 

 

There is a lot more to this than a hot day in October where FT hangs out.

 

 

 

Please see and consider Moore's message and the implications of the politicisation of the Global Warming debate, but don't be distracted by the others hosting the bottom 2. Just consider his experience within WankPeace and what Moore has to say.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Are all the people who don't believe it, and a very small % of the suitably qualified scientists, who don't,

Do you know how many scientists actually believe it Nev? Less than 1%. The numbers that get thrown around are based on the Climate Scientists who happen to be on the gravy train to investigate and promote GW, they would like the public to believe it's all scientists.

 

Please see and consider Moore's message

I never liked Moore and his Greenpeace Mates back in the day but found respect for him when he left Greenpeace for the reasons he did.

 

There's a few having their say now, even though there's no money in it for them, in fact they will face scorn for some time, maybe even the rest of their lives from ignorants ....

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap6YfQx9I64

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap6YfQx9I64

 

 

[Guest Captain1]

And to lighten it up a bit ...........

 

 

 

 

 

 

[facthunter]

That stuff contributes nothing of fact. The aim is to raise the uncertainty thing, and confuse the issue . Just as was done with tobacco. (And that's good for you isn't it?). Nev

 

 

[Teckair]

I reckon it's all about money, and probably the biggest con in history. We heard nothing about it during Winter but now the gullible are on it again.

 

 

[Guest Captain1]

That stuff contributes nothing of fact.

But I suppose your in-depth analysis of one day's (or month's) temp up you way does add to the facts? Eh Nev?

 

 

 

There is obviously one rule for those of you on your high horses up on the high moral ground, then one for the rest of us common non-believers.

 

 

[eightyknots]

Thanks for that FT. I didn't know about that show. I'll look for it on iView.Over the years that I have been banging on about climate change, I have included that scenario. With so much fresh water being release by the collapse of glaciers in western Greenland, a flush of fresh cold water into the Labrador Current could put the Gulf Stream right out of wack. Result: Britain has the same climate as Labrador, and the knock-on effects are enormous. Enough to end civilisations. Our planet's climate is pretty complicated.

Woolly Mammoths are still being discovered in buried ice, along with evidence of large forests in ice: I am sure that the world used to be a much warmer place. The Romans grew grapes just south of Hadrian's wall, just below the current Scottish border. Again, evidence that the world has become a cooler place.

 

A bit of global warming would not harm the planet despite what all the doom sayers say to gain government grants to support the "Climate Change Industry" of which they are a part. Global warming would only bring it back closer to where it was in the past.