How Australia Perfected Solar Power and Then Went Back to Coal

[dazza 38]

@jetjr lots of farmers don't really care about the long term implications of CSG, its quick money in a drought. Sadly, many farmers support CSG because they hate green groups. If you could explain the chinchilla gas fire that would be good.

That has nothing to do with CSG, the fire is actually at Hopeland and it is located underground in the Linc energy coal gasification plant and it is totally different to CSG. The experts have been out there for weeks and the cannot pinpoint the cause.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Gazz m8 linc said the Chinchilla fire has nothing to do with their plant, so it must be you that is spreading misinformation.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Gazz m8 linc said the Chinchilla fire has nothing to do with their plant, so it must be you that is spreading misinformation.

Like I said, the fire is in Hopeland NOT CHINCHILLA

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Water bores on outback stations have been releasing tons of methane for more than 100 years. This photo was taken on Yandama station (near Tibooburra) in 1972. In a lot of these places you throw a match onto the dam on a cold morning and there is a blue flash and small explosion across the water.

 

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[fly_tornado]

If you go to the bores around the CSG gas fields you will find the water is full of hydrocarbons from escaped CSG and the traces of the fracking fluid used to dissolve the coal, all of its ingredients are poisonous.

 

Dazza the fire at Hopeland is proof that the gas can escape the coal seam and pass through the aquifer and that the CSG wells are allowing air to enter the coal seams. Farmers are advised not to dig below 2M due to the high levels of carbon monoxide.

 

 

[jetjr]

FT, I doubt its "full" of hydrocarbons - more sensationalist rubbish.

 

Yes gas can escape, does naturally.

 

How do you know any came from CSG, pic above is from 30 years before mining took place

 

Even incredibly low levels sees oily layer on top and theres none like this that Ive seen.

 

Even raw water coming from the wells itself mostly have bugger all hydrocarbons.

 

Do you even know whats in frack fluid and how much and how its used?

 

Be more concerned about methane leaks from your local landfill. Theres a big issue with near no effort or money to deal with it. Located not far from where many live. Major groundwater potential issues too.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

http://theconversation.com/coal-seam-gas-water-leaks-could-be-a-problem-for-decades-24718

 

The type of water that resulted in contamination in this case (called “produced” or “co-produced” water) is generated in large quantities by all CSG wells, and it is usually of poor quality, containing potentially harmful levels of salt, radionuclides, metals and other contaminants. It appears that in this case such water was inappropriately stored in a leaky dam, allowing it to infiltrate and migrate into the underlying aquifer.

 

A 2011 study in the Queensland Murray-Darling basin projected that the amounts of additional salt brought to the surface by CSG wastewater were of similar quantity to all combined salts added from conventional groundwater irrigation and natural sources. If all this salt was allowed into waterways, it would effectively double the amount of salt entering the landscape.

 

Managing produced water and the salts and contaminants dissolved in it is therefore major issue for the CSG industry. It can be treated and reused for irrigation or industry, re-injected underground, or released into waterways following treatment. Treating CSG wastewater usually involves reverse osmosis, which produces “clean” water, but also concentrates contaminants in brine, which requires safe disposal. Some contaminants (such as boron) are hard to remove and are retained in the treated product water. In some cases methane can also remain in water after it leaves the treatment plant, adding to concerns over fugitive emissions.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-16/nrn-water-csg-worry/5817922

 

The report was the result of a survey of 1,100 water professionals - scientists, water operators and regulators.

 

Launching the report, the Australian Water Association says despite years of reassurances from the gas exploration industry that the technology was in place to safeguard groundwater and water resources from CSG, more work is needed to prevent human error.

 

"Seventy per cent of the respondents thinks that coal seam gas has a significant to moderate effect on the overall management of ground or surface water," said Jonathan McKeown, chief executive of the AWA.

 

"The profession is saying whilst there is a capacity to manage the coal seam gas production, there are real concerns where coal seam gas exploration or development is close to water that can be contaminated.

 

"Even though a lot of the risks there are what can be described as human errors, rather than process errors, there was still a high level of concern about the potential impact on the quality of water," Mr McKeown said.

 

Human error = Dazza

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Blaming workers (like dazza) for being sloppy and not following procedures correctly is one way to mask the processes are flawed and will always pollute the groundwater.

 

Anyone one with half a brain can see that CSG poisons groundwater.

 

 

[jetjr]

No they cant see much ground water being "poisoned"

 

Std approach, when facts dont agree with you, start insulting opponents.

 

Yes produced water can contain salts and bicarbonates, all of them natural, thats why its all captured stored and processed via RO - same as Desal plants in most capital cities, then you drink it!!

 

I believe you even drink recycled effluent in you area - similar process, similar ranting when it was discussed too.

 

In exploration works water has been allowed to go back to rivers, potentially increasing flows and reducing degradation of the rivers from over extraction - you on that band wagon too about degraded rivers from evil irrigators?

 

Now that treated water is balanced and often used for irrigation. often cases cheaper than pumping bores so prefered. Being applied via new best practice irrigation systems like drip and pivots.

 

Leachate or brine is a serious problem and industry has to formulate responses to it. Overseas they reinject the lot back into the aquifer......near where is came from.

 

Yes dams built on the cheap over 10 years ago have leaked, now decommissioned. Its a single lined small dam in NSW. Poorly constructed even by agricultural standards.

 

There is an unknown regarding radioactive content in ground water, it didnt come from leaky dam but did accumulate for some reason.

 

Current dam have 2 and three liners and monitor each to see if theres an issue, hopefully looking at new liners and systems to improve them even further. Generally have sampling points located around to watch for ground water changes too.

 

 

[Teckair]

Human error = Dazza

Person with too much time on their hands to surf the web = FT

 

 

[fly_tornado]

wait until that coal seam layer has liquefied and the subsidence really starts kicking in. then you'll see some serious pollution as well as massive draining of the aquifers.

 

The gas companies are going to continue blaming the workers, they can pollute all they like and claim it was an accident, its like pilot error. Its a cheap way to avoid dealing with bad technology.

 

 

[Pearo]

wait until that coal seam layer has liquefied .

What?? Do you even understand CSG?