How Australia Perfected Solar Power and Then Went Back to Coal

[bexrbetter]

you're entitled to your opinions but you can't change the anecdotal evidence

400,000 to 600,000 years of ice drilling evidence beats 40 to 60 years.

 

Give the same scientists a few million with the promise of continued funding and they'll prove anything you want them too, they are whores.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Bex, based on my extensive knowledge of wind turbine syndrome, you sound like you are suffering from a case of undiagnosed wind turbine syndrome, now could be a good time to contact your local homoeopath just to get a check up? can't hurt right?

 

 

[bexrbetter]

It is not the ice caps that are increasing it is the sea ice and paradoxically that is as a direct result of a warming world.http://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2014/mar/11/climate-change-antarctic-sea-ice-expedition

 

One article full of "could, likely, live science, predictions" etc written by a pro GW reporter who lists all others as "sceptics" and "denialists" etc, makes for fact does it? This asshole even uses the word Nazi in the report. Just browse through his other articles to immediately see his constant use of put down power words.

 

And right there is something that shits me about this whole thing, there is no debate, if you don't agree then you are a sceptic, denialist, environmental vandal, etc - any description that is a put down while the fors are "Pro GW" - Pro being an assertive positive word. Similar to the favoured words and tactics by Politicians in many arenas of biased discussion.

 

 

[octave]

so where are the CSIRO getting these millions to study climate change from? certainly not the government, it is an easy accusation to make but probably needs to come with verifiable evidence. I would have thought there would be more money available to someone who could disprove the theory.

 

 

[BenOrsbor]

Well I still believe solar energy technology is the best way to solve your future energy crisis..

Thanks for agreeing with me..

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Bex, based on my extensive knowledge of wind turbine syndrome, you sound like you are suffering from a case of undiagnosed wind turbine syndrome,

I have no idea what you are talking about, which makes 2 of us.

 

Did you know my city is one of the Worlds biggest producer of wind turbines, don't know how that fits in here but it's true.

 

http://en.dfem.com.cn/

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Most western governments have agricultural departments that have spent billions modelling the weather, primarily based on the need to keep feeding people.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Most western governments have agricultural departments that have spent billions modelling the weather, primarily based on the need to keep feeding people.

 

so where are the CSIRO getting these millions to study climate change from? certainly not the government, it is an easy accusation to make but probably needs to come with verifiable evidence. .

You 2 can not be serious.

 

Do you 2 not read the news? Abbott is cutting the near 6 BILLION dollars a year in grants directly related to research and devlopment of GW to a measly 1/2 BILLION and the GW proponents are up in arms about it.

 

It was on the news in China FFS. But then again, we don't get footy, cricket or Home and Away here so I understand why you might have missed it.

 

 

[kgwilson]

One article full of "could, likely, live science, predictions" etc written by a pro GW reporter who lists all others as "sceptics" and "denialists" etc, makes for fact does it? This ******* even uses the word Nazi in the report. Just browse through his other articles to immediately see his constant use of put down power words.

And right there is something that shits me about this whole thing, there is no debate, if you don't agree then you are a sceptic, denialist, environmental vandal, etc - any description that is a put down while the fors are "Pro GW" - Pro being an assertive positive word. Similar to the favoured words and tactics by Politicians in many arenas of biased discussion.

It may not have been the best source to quote but it is one of many. This one is from ACE CRC based in Tasmania. http://www.acecrc.org.au/access/cms/news/?id=164&full=true Most of the skeptic or denier sites have no scientific basis on which to make their claims but they still make them in the true Alan Jones style.

 

 

[SDQDI]

This is nearly more fun than reading a jab thread:bash:

 

 

[octave]

my point was that surely if CSIRO scientist are only interested in securing more research funds from the Government would they tell this Government what they want to hear?

 

 

[Gpshaun]

I found this very interesting from the great man. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/26/another-wuwt-tv-segment-engineer-and-aviation-pioneer-burt-rutan-on-why-he-doubts-global-warming/

 

 

[metalman]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/subsidies-under-fire-as-solar-rebate-axed/story-e6frg6xf-1226285622435?nk=22563fc06a1d8fdff77875188ca27b3c

 

http://econews.com.au/news-to-sustain-our-world/labor-slashes-support-for-solar-power/

 

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/40522

 

Just so we're clear on which mob was cutting the solar panel rebate !

 

 

[fly_tornado]

you don't want a permanent subsidy on any industry, especially renewables, look how that worked out for Holden

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

The Polar Ice Caps are currently increasing in size and have been doing so for a while - and it's been pissing off the GW radicals that they have been doing so

 

Actually Bex, you should have reported the full story. Arctic ice cap has been decreasing at an alarming rate. The continental Antarctic glaciers are moving faster into the ocean (where they will melt) but Antarctic sea ice is currently expanding due to local, short-term reason. The trend is ominous.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

400,000 to 600,000 years of ice drilling evidence beats 40 to 60 years.

Give the same scientists a few million with the promise of continued funding and they'll prove anything you want them too, they are whores.

Dear me Bex. I had developed quite a bit of respect for people like yourself who are out there developing new products- a process dependent on good science. Now you tell us that scientists are whores. I'm a little confused

 

 

[kaz3g]

It would be interesting to know if the Lithium is still there, and if not why it was removed and whether that caused the higher combustion chamber temperatures.

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?q=all&cid=53436750#ec

 

http://sci-toys.com/scichem/jqp014/6093461.html

 

http://www.chemfrog.com/chemical_info/482199/

 

http://www.molbase.com/en/search.html?search_keyword=lithium propane&paid_chemical&gclid=Cj0KEQjwspCgBRCiwOjBxeCcm-kBEiQAooz6t5PRWa6VbUu49kg_8RhOY073bGNgcDkqDBEpGo_P7GcaAu168P8HAQ

Perhaps the gas was depressed for a time?

 

Kaz

 

 

[kaz3g]

I found this very interesting from the great man. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/26/another-wuwt-tv-segment-engineer-and-aviation-pioneer-burt-rutan-on-why-he-doubts-global-warming/

He'll be an expert then.

 

Kaz

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

Perhaps the gas was depressed for a time?

Kaz

Probably....had the weight of the world on it's shoulders.....

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

He'll be an expert then.

Kaz

Yeah all we need now is Walt Disney's thoughts and you'd have the collective wisdom of literally hundreds of experts in things completely unrelated....but.... any expert in a crisis.....

 

 

[kgwilson]

Or in my case the existence of a 66c/kWh feed in tariff for a few more years yet. Like I previously posted such subsidies are IMHO wrong, but given it was legislated, they were going to give it to someone, then better that someone was me for once!

First thing I do when the scheme ends is get rid of the gross export meter and replace it with a Net one because as you said, paying 7 times more for power usage that you consume that you didn't create is entirely unacceptable even if the whole system is fully paid for at that stage and likely still has 80% of its useful life left.

 

Andy

Andy since the demise of the unsustainable 66c subsidy all new systems must be net & the retailers give you what they like which is sweet FA. There is good logic for them doing this as most people are unlikely to bother getting a net meter when the subsidy runs out & they will be rolling in it.

 

 

[coljones]

It would be interesting to know if the Lithium is still there, and if not why it was removed and whether that caused the higher combustion chamber temperatures.

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?q=all&cid=53436750#ec

 

http://sci-toys.com/scichem/jqp014/6093461.html

 

http://www.chemfrog.com/chemical_info/482199/

 

http://www.molbase.com/en/search.html?search_keyword=lithium propane&paid_chemical&gclid=Cj0KEQjwspCgBRCiwOjBxeCcm-kBEiQAooz6t5PRWa6VbUu49kg_8RhOY073bGNgcDkqDBEpGo_P7GcaAu168P8HAQ

At $985/kg I'm not sure it is your garden variety propane. I can't find a ref to its use. Any clues?

 

 

[turboplanner]

Haven't had a chance to do any more looking. Maybe it was a lubricant, certainly would have been a small percentage of the propane mix at that price, and possibly was harmful to health.

 

 

[Methusala]

Increased acidity in the oceans? Coral bleaching on the reef? Polar bears going hungry? Glaciers disappearing at an unheard of rate? Increasing intensity and frequency of wild fires around the world? Deserts encroaching on arable land? Tell them their just dreaming! Short memories and attention spans. Methane...around 25x more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. The tundra is lousy with it. Some gamble you guys are prepared to take.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect is that the anti global warming backlash, well funded by fossil fuel industries, is playing on the growing distrust of science already endemic in the USA. Surveys show alarmingly low levels of scientific knowledge among ordinary Americans. The insidious influence of bible-bashing media is one major cause of this ignorance. An ominous trend for a fading Superpower that Australia has become very much dependent on.

 

The constant pressure from climate skeptics can only make that ignorance worse.