turboplanner Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 TP, As I stated some of this information is in the public domian, ie the spying, the Downer personal involvement and many other bits. You really think the Government would happily tell us about it? You are naive. As I stated, somethings Governments do can not by law be publicly stated and or attributted to a source. Ie that source can have their life destroyed for even commenting. Read between the lines- But as many would know- it is illegal to even name a person from such a organistation as having worked for them. In fact such employees can not even tell family members who they work for. Think on it. OR you can believe that Australia is the Gold standard for ethics. Yes sorry, my expectations were too great; these comments are fine for the Atheist Knowledge thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Yes, commenting on Timor is a big thread drift- but so is China and RAAF planes. But it is relevant if we consider Religion or other belief systems allow us too feel exceptional compared to others. And thus our lives are more worthy than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I don't know how it works in China. Not many do Mate but doesn't prevent them from commenting on the place. What's bizzare is the reasons why the media has a poke at China literally daily, I don't get, China doesn't get it. When I think about it I always go full circle and believe it's for the American military machine to always have an identified "threat". Imagine the despair at McDonnell-Douglas, not to mention the stock values, when the Berlin Wall came down ... If someone wants to hate China, well at least be informed and go to sites such as 'ChinaSmack' dot com for real news stories and insights, not the garbage you get in typical Western Media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Yes,commenting on Timor is a big thread drift- but so is China and RAAF planes. What, drifting from the fantasy purple sky fairy to real world factual topics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The Indonesians have for years carry out atrocities in West Papua and nobody in government seems to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The Indonesians have for years carry out atrocities in West Papua and nobody in government seems to care. America doesn't care, why should we, I mean what threat are Indo to Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The Indonesians have for years carry out atrocities in West Papua and nobody in government seems to care. I have a cousin who is married to an Indonesian from West Papua. They regularly travel up there with their son, and up into the hills. The main atrocity is when a pig is killed for the BBQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I have a cousin who is married to an Indonesian from West Papua. They regularly travel up there with their son, and up into the hills.The main atrocity is when a pig is killed for the BBQ. So all the social media footage of West Papuans getting bashed or shot and left in a ditch by the Indo soldiers must be fake then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Off course not Dazza, If you did not read about it in the Murdoch press................ It does not exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Off course not Dazza, If you did not read about it in the Murdoch press................ It does not exist Yup, for what ever reason there appears to be a media black out when it comes to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Simple really Does not involve a group we like to label terrorists Can't appease the people by making new draconian laws or throwing money at it. Does not involve people of welfare Can't be blamed on labour/greens etc Not christians Nobody slandered a jew So it does not matter to them And budget cuts have mean the ABC has no money to send a reporter unless it is China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Simple really Does not involve a group we like to label terrorists Can't appease the people by making new draconian laws or throwing money at it. Does not involve people of welfare Can't be blamed on labour/greens etc Not christians Nobody slandered a jew So it does not matter to them And budget cuts have mean the ABC has no money to send a reporter unless it is China. ...and it won't increase arms sales. This is a big deciding factor. In my opinion, most modern conflicts from the Falklands to the present, are driven by two factors: an increase of arms sales and/or an increased hegemony of a power or belief system. This belief system may include imposing "democracy" on "undemocratic societies". There you are, I linked it back to the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA. Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Can not un-see this. [ATTACH]47807._xfImport[/ATTACH] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Turbs. You have an cousin married to an Indonesian, who goes to West Papua. So what is different from West Papua and East Timor. I bet exactly the asame thing could have been said about visiting E Timor. It is easy for the Indonesians, they are the ones doing the damage. Ask a West papuan native, one of those black fuzzy haired blokes what he thinks about the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 ...and it won't increase arms sales. This is a big deciding factor. In my opinion, most modern conflicts from the Falklands to the present, are driven by two factors: an increase of arms sales and/or an increased hegemony of a power or belief system. . . . I must have been thinking about a different Falklands war. The one I recall started with an invasion of an island with only English speaking residents by the Agentinian military dictatorship. Don't think tha one involved a purpose related to increased arm sales. Should the Brits have told the Agentinian Generals "sorry we got in the way of your ambitions" and left the Islanders to the mercy of people famous for throwing citizens out if aeroplanes without a parachute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Shouldn't Christians turn the other cheek and not fight back? Don't they believe that this world is just a quality-control checkout for eternity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Not an expert but quality control is limited to having a belief alone. ( Not by your works. but he (she?) who believes in me etc) Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I read of this red indian tribe who turned the other cheek and got exterminated. They are now living like healthy young millionaires for ever. Not a bad deal huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Not an expert but quality control is limited to having a belief alone. ( Not by your works. but he (she?) who believes in me etc) Nev Which raises an interesting point - what about the countless millions of people who had never even heard of the judeo/christian/muslim Abrahamic religion? All going to hell because they didn't believe in this middle-Eastern god they'd never heard of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 When the "GOSPEL" is spread to the four corners of the earth will come the day of judgement, so that's fair enough isn't it? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Nev, how can you "believe " but act contrary to that belief? Now I know lots of people pretend to believe because it pays off in this world, but they don't fool me and I can't even read their innermost thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA. Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Here is a picture of Ricky Gervais with some words next to it. [ATTACH]47827._xfImport[/ATTACH] If flying was possible in the times of Cleopatra then we would have a God of flying and it would be so much safer. Dam those Egyptians for not thinking ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I like Ricky Gervais. He has the ability to make perfect sense while at the same time making you laugh so hard you almost wet yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 God is all powerful Bruce, and yet people think they can fool him because he can't see them when they are sinning. Not a hair of your head etc but go to church on Sunday and it's OK to rob people blind Mon to Sat. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Religion. The worlds biggest insurance scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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