Atheist knowledge

[bexrbetter]

France: Tools in Rock

 

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I'm surprised the spark plug hasn't been mentioned yet ..

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coso_artifact

 

http://theonematrix.com/history/

 

 

 

[fly_tornado]

This conspiracy, could go all the way to the top

 

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[eightyknots]

Don has apparently locked in his faith on this one and seems incurious about any scientific discoveries that may interfere. Exactly when dinosaurs disappeared is of no consequence to me except I would've liked to have tasted them. As it turns out very likely being too tasty was their problem. Now well known Paleontologists like Mary Schweitzer and others have found T-rex fossils (remains really) that smell rotten and still have fragments of flexible ligaments, soft tissue & marrow blood cells we can be 100% certain that particular critter certainly didn't kark it millions of years ago. Besides there are plenty of ancient artworks that depict what we now call dinosaurs, so all taken together I'd say yes - good evidence some of them were around when our human ancestors were.

Science and history books almost universally claim that dinosaurs were made extinct 65 million years ago ...often said to have happened because of a meteorite landing. Why this wiped out dinosaurs and not the many thousands of other species has never been properly explained. Many text books also claim that humans go back no more that a small fraction of this 65 million year period. For this reason, these authors say, humans and dinosaurs could not, and did not, coexist. Have these authors ignored the evidence from around the world? Firstly, there are concurrent footprints in the same strata. See post # 256 for just one link to such evidence. Here is another stone found near Fort Worth, Texas where a human must have walked first followed by a dinosaur:

 

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There is further compelling evidence around that suggests that people and dinosaurs lived at the same time. This evidence is found in ancient art. What's even more interesting is that this art evidence is found in different regions in the world, from different cultures and geographic localities. It would impossible for these people to collude in their various forms of art. They did not have digital cameras -or even film cameras- so they just carved or drew what they saw in their environment. One of the things they saw was the dragon or terrible lizard or, as they have been known as for the last century or so, the dinosaur. They just reproduced it in art form. What better proof exists that dinosaurs and human beings coexisted?

 

Here just a few of the many, many examples that exist today:

 

1. This Ica stone shows a person with a dinosaur. This is from South America, from the Incan civilisation.

 

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2. Another such ceremonial Burial Stone from the Nasca culture, dated 100 BC to AD 800. This stone was sent back to Spain in the 1580s:

 

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3. Cave art found in Kuwait:

 

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4. Clay figurines buried at the foot of El Toro Mountain on the outskirts of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico:

 

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5. Pictograph found at Lake Superior Provincial Park in Ontario, Canada. This drawn creature looks like a stegosaur:

 

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6. Ethiopians are pursuing what appears to be some type of dinosaur. This was depicted by a Greek artist (hence the Greek writing):

 

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7. Buddhist temple in Cambodia -Ta Prohm- showing a stegosaurus, carved about AD 1200:

 

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8. An ancient baptismal font in a 12th century church near Lagan, Sweden. There is clearly a dinosaur like creature carved in that:

 

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9. A Babylonian cylinder seal from about 600 BC, showing a dinosaur and a man together:

 

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10. This was found in the tomb of a fifteenth-century bishop at Carlisle (Richard Bell). There were dozens of living creatures depicted including this dinosaur:

 

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These ten examples should demonstrate that humans are very likely to have seen dinosaurs (or as they were known back then 'dragons' or 'terrible lizards') and recorded them in their art, as they saw it. They couldn't all make this up in Europe, Asia, Middle East, Africa, North America and South America, anywhere between 5 and 25 centuries ago and -from their imaginations- a bunch of dinosaurs.

 

If dinosaurs and human beings existed side by side, it makes the fairy tale of dinosaurs being wiped out by a meteor of comet 65 million years ago sound rather hollow. It is very likely that dinosaurs became extinct very recently.

 

[rankamateur]

A study once found that after several million years, the evidence of our civilisation would be porcelain toilet bowls. Presumably religious or ceremonial objects in a world wide culture.

Certainly the object of daily rituals anyway!

 

 

[fly_tornado]

apparently many thousands of years ago we where supermen, thousands of years of circumcision finally paying off?

 

 

 

[rankamateur]

Is it only my imagination or has he got his hand on it?

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...in the sand they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of half worked rock, the same stone and rock that they themselves had been excavating. they dug further and found coins, the petrified wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools. Finally they came to a large wooden board, seven or eight feet long and an inch thick. like the wooden tools, it had also been petrified into a form of agate and it had been broken into pieces. When the pieces were reassembled, the workmen saw before them a quarryman's board of exactly the same kind they themselves used, worn in just the same way as their own boards were, with rounded, wavy edges..

Fascinating, Rank. I hope to get to Europe one day, so where can I see these artefacts?

 

 

[turboplanner]

Google it OK.

 

 

[revsmith]

Google it OK.

hey turbo you got me an betsy scratchin our heads, what's your alias

 

 

[turboplanner]

Revjohnson

 

 

[bexrbetter]

apparently many thousands of years ago we where supermen, thousands of years of circumcision finally paying off?

Well I'm a believer now after finally finding a God created in my own image.

 

 

[geoffreywh]

ANYBODY that truly believes that man walked ( or more realistically, ran) with dinosaurs should give me a call. I have this really nice bridge that I want to sell cheap! And , as an aside, The term "Terrible Lizard " was coined only very recently....Like the 18th Century, NOT the 20,000th century BC. (Before Cars)

 

 

[horsefeathers]

Well, where do the God botherers and evolution deniers go now?????

 

Evolution is real and God is no wizard, says Pope Francis

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/evolution-is-real-and-god-is-no-wizard-says-pope-francis-20141029-11dcon.html#ixzz3HTZbVmF2

 

 

[rgmwa]

Based on what he said, full marks to the Pope for doing his best to use the scientific method (fitting theory to observation) to explain Life, the Universe and Everything. However, his explanation still doesn't sound very convincing to me.

 

rgmwa (ex-rc)

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Well, where do the God botherers and evolution deniers go now?????

Evolution is real and God is no wizard, says Pope Francis

This pope is well meaning but a bit of a dud IMO. He claims to follow Jesus Christ yet Jesus Himself believed in creation and indeed the Bible clearly states Jesus Christ is Himself the creator (Col 1v16 etc). Does Francis think he lit the fuse or something? This is one of the doctrinal differences I've noticed between Christians and Roman Catholics horse, many of the latter believe in evolution.

 

 

[rgmwa]

.... indeed the Bible clearly states Jesus Christ is Himself the creator.

That assumes that because it's in the Bible it must be true - a very shaky proposition IMO.

 

rgmwa

 

 

[fly_tornado]

This pope is well meaning but a bit of a dud IMO. He claims to follow Jesus Christ yet Jesus Himself believed in creation and indeed the Bible clearly states Jesus Christ is Himself the creator (Col 1v16 etc). Does Francis think he lit the fuse or something? This is one of the doctrinal differences I've noticed between Christians and Roman Catholics horse, many of the latter believe in evolution.

Could it be chemtrails over Rome?

 

 

[horsefeathers]

This pope is well meaning but a bit of a dud IMO. He claims to follow Jesus Christ yet Jesus Himself believed in creation and indeed the Bible clearly states Jesus Christ is Himself the creator (Col 1v16 etc). Does Francis think he lit the fuse or something? This is one of the doctrinal differences I've noticed between Christians and Roman Catholics horse, many of the latter believe in evolution.

Is the Pope now a dud, cause he doesn't hold with your world view?

 

And please don't try to conflate "creation" with "creationism" or it's bastard offspring "intelligent design". I dont think anyone will argue that things are created. Go look up what a quantum vacuum is, and the way things (no, not dinosaurs GNU) are literally created from nothing. However, that ain't creationism, which is what you are trying to imply is the same as creation.

 

 

[Marty_d]

between Christians and Roman Catholics horse, many of the latter believe in evolution.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that Roman Catholics were christians too. As were a broad range of others, ranging from the lunatic fringe (those who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible and think the world is only 6,000 years old) to the more progressive type (those who understand that the universe is about 13.7 billion years old, that species including humans evolved from simpler forms, and who don't see a conflict between this and their belief in god).

 

But looking at your post, I guess the only "real" christians are from the lunatic fringe, the others don't count?

 

And you wonder why many people reject religion outright. Not only do you insist that every other religion is wrong, (as well as lack of a religion), but you even think anyone in your own religion who doesn't believe exactly the same things as you is wrong.

 

 

[turboplanner]

There is a BIG difference between Roman Catholic and some of the early Christian sects which I'll post soon.

 

What the Pope is doing may be strategically very clever given new data being translated year by year from ancient scrolls and clay tablets

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

That assumes that because it's in the Bible it must be true - a very shaky proposition IMO.

 

Is the Pope now a dud, cause he doesn't hold with your world view?

No, you miss the point. Irrespective of my opinion or how you personally regard scripture you would surely agree with the principle that the head of the RCC is meant to believe the words of Jesus Christ.

 

 

[horsefeathers]

No, you miss the point. Irrespective of my opinion or how you personally regard scripture you would surely agree with the principle that the head of the RCC is meant to believe the words of Jesus Christ.

yesssssssss, ok I would agree with that statement. But you're implying that the current Pope does not follow that principle. So, in words of one syllable or less (I'm more than a little bit simple), please explain your implication, always remembering that the "words" of Christ were not copied down verbatim, but written down (with possible accidental or purposeful alteration) years after the fact - ahh that is assuming that christ was a genuine historical figure, of course.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

The Pope is infallible unlike other religious leaders his authority comes directly from JC. Only the Roman Catholic Church can claim this direct authority.

 

Sadly, GNu sounds like just another heretic. The RC really need to crack down on this sort of thing a bit harder than they do.

 

 

[Marty_d]

The Pope is infallible unlike other religious leaders his authority comes directly from JC. Only the Roman Catholic Church can claim this direct authority.

Sadly, GNu sounds like just another heretic. The RC really need to crack down on this sort of thing a bit harder than they do.

Yep, where's the Inquisition when you need it. Bringing heretics back to the bosom of their loving god through the gentle persuasion of red-hot pokers, bone crushing and joint dislocation.

 

 

[rgmwa]

No, you miss the point. Irrespective of my opinion or how you personally regard scripture you would surely agree with the principle that the head of the RCC is meant to believe the words of Jesus Christ.

Meant to and in principle, yes - goes with the job. However, whatever he personally believes, he also has to try to interpret those ancient and questionable biblical texts and words attributed to JC in a way that makes religious, scientific and political sense in current times. The world is a vastly different place to what it was a couple of thousand years ago. I think he's doing his best to jog the conservative church hierarcy out of some out-dated and entrenched political and religious postions but whether he succeeds or not remains to be seen.

 

rgmwa