turboplanner Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Always an insult . Perhaps you don't realise you are doing it. Nev FH: "If it's what Turbs doesn't agree with it's "shrill" or "absolute rubbish" Do you want me to you are lying when you apply that to everything I don't agree with?
DonRamsay Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 A lot since I was last here that I would love to challenge but life is short and we only get one go at it so back to the humour: [ATTACH]47847._xfImport[/ATTACH]
DonRamsay Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 And with a more considered tone . . . [ATTACH]47848._xfImport[/ATTACH]
DonRamsay Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Turbs, I was struck by the illogicality of the 30,000 year argument you usually do better than that. Why would there not have been imaginative, scared people, charlatans, schizophrenics and gullible people 30,000 years ago? Consider the social experiment (theoretical parable really) that was the story og Lord of the Flies. It is the old story that to get to dominate a group you need to invent a deity. Been working no doubt for well over 30,000 years. Almost every civilization has invented one or more deities to calm and control the masses.
turboplanner Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I haven't been following the front end of the research lately, but from memory, the human race as we know it is known to be around 300,000 years old based on artifacts. We need to get back into that area to get fresher data on belief or otherwise in God.
octave Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I haven't been following the front end of the research lately, but from memory, the human race as we know it is known to be around 300,000 years old based on artifacts. We need to get back into that area to get fresher data on belief or otherwise in God. Turbs, I think I should warn you that I am feeling particularly argumentative today:book: 300,000 years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens "Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago (seeOmo remains), and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.[18][19][20][21][22] "
octave Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I haven't been following the front end of the research lately, but from memory, the human race as we know it is known to be around 300,000 years old based on artifacts. We need to get back into that area to get fresher data on belief or otherwise in God. Also, you seem to place great deal of importance on the length of time that humans have believed in gods as if this adds to the gods credibility. The belief in witches is not rendered any more credible by its long history.
turboplanner Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Well we are only 100,000 years apart. I got is from a series of web references I think, when I was focused on getting right back as far as I could. It was based on a new remains find not in Africa.
turboplanner Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Also, you seem to place great deal of importance on the length of time that humans have believed in gods as if this adds to the gods credibility. The belief in witches is not rendered any more credible by its long history. God single, the God that led to the creation story in Genesis in the Bible. Genesis was clearly written thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years after the event, or millions actually. The further back we go the less bible errors affect what we find in artifacts. I'm looking for realistic useable data, but I don't expect proof in the form of God's sneakers or false teeth Can you come up with proof God does not exist?
PA. Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Caution. The attached graphic contains a naughty word and very naughty word. But it does contain humor for non believers. [ATTACH]47849._xfImport[/ATTACH]
octave Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 God single, the God that led to the creation story in Genesis in the Bible. Genesis was clearly written thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years after the event, or millions actually. The further back we go the less bible errors affect what we find in artifacts. I'm looking for realistic useable data, but I don't expect proof in the form of God's sneakers or false teeth Can you come up with proof God does not exist? Can you come up with evidence that unicorns don't exist? Surely you would agree that the burden of proof lays with proving something does exist rasther than something doesn't exist. http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/146-proving-non-existence But of course I could be wrong, let's assume that god does exist, does it make a scrap of difference whether I believe in him/her /it???? My question would be does this god require me to believe in him/her/it? If I use the intellect I was born with and the education my parents and my society provided me and I come to the conclusion that she/he/it doesn't exist will I be punished by it/she/he??? Why does this god care what I think????
Bruce Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 There is confusion here over what god we are referring to. There is the "possible first cause" god which is not provable , although it is unlikely. To be omniscient, you would need to be more complex than the universe itself. Imagine knowing the temperature of every atom in the universe, gosh there are more stars out there than there are grains of sand in all the deserts and beaches on the earth. And a lot of atoms to make up a star. It would take more than one atom ( or godly equivalent thereof ) to process the temperature of each atom. In addition there are many more properties of that atom besides temperature. So this omniscient god is complex indeed. Then there is the abrahamic tribal god of the old testament. This god is one of 3000 invented gods and clearly based on a tribal chief. He could not possibly exist. There are too many ridiculous things in the story, like the firmament, which would be a hazard to Jabirus if it existed. And that abrahamic god invention is pathetically small given what we know nowadays about the universe.
M61A1 Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 He is a comedian though Doesn't make it untrue though. especially as it's a interview . Ever seen a socialist organise funds to build a school? that is because people who believe in God and particularly who read the Bible get a message that it is essential to look after those worse off than you. There's nothing really stopping atheists doing the same. . Religious groups build schools so that they can fill kids heads with their brand of shite so that they can perpetuate their own agenda nothing more.
facthunter Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 There is more, unfortunately they often molest them. If they are of god why do these ungodly deeds?
bexrbetter Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 but a lot of atheists are so in your face every hour of every day taking every opportunity to ridicule believers, Can you come up with proof God does not exist? Oh Bollshot. People who don't believe in Gods don't talk about it unless prompted and usually from having nonsense forced upon them by those who can't stop themselves. You're forgetting rule #1, the onus is on those to prove something they claim to exist exists, not vice versa. Same reasons, atheists have a way of getting up your nose with their constant denials, and people don't like it so they just close ranks. Oh pot, kettle, black.
facthunter Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Leave the atheists alone. They don't have to explain god. Believers do. It's fashionable to attack them . Why bother if you are secure in your beliefs? Nev
PA. Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 The sound of the collection plates on a Sunday morning/ [ATTACH]47851._xfImport[/ATTACH]
DonRamsay Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 My bet is that Neanderthals had made up a God to explain everything, especially the ice ages and these pesky sapiens that were causing them so much grief and shagging their women. Turbo, "Can you come up with proof God does not exist?" is the lamest thing that I have read in over 3,000 posts. Can you prove that the crap Scientology says is true is false? The existence of (a) God(s) is of no interest to a person who can see no evidence for existence and plenty of evidence that the Bible account of the origins of the universe and our specie is silly, even absolute nonsense and patently false. I like the approach of the USA Government that says to creationists that there is only one not two sides to Evolution versus Creation. It is not a debate as one side has a well tested scientific theory and the other has a load of illogical mumbo jumbo that we are supposed to accept on "faith". There is no credible evidence for any of the nonsense in Genesis and there is a conclusive Scientific Theory to explain the origin of the species.
bexrbetter Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I think this about covers it all .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekse95-owyo
turboplanner Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Can you come up with evidence that unicorns don't exist? Yes, they stayed out in the rain and were killed in Noah's flood - there's a song about it. Surely you would agree that the burden of proof lays with proving something does exist rasther than something doesn't exist. http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/146-proving-non-existence When passengers are told a snake crawled into the plane, they are pretty interested in having you prove it's not still there. But of course I could be wrong, let's assume that god does exist, does it make a scrap of difference whether I believe in him/her /it???? My question would be does this god require me to believe in him/her/it? If I use the intellect I was born with and the education my parents and my society provided me and I come to the conclusion that she/he/it doesn't exist will I be punished by it/she/he??? Why does this god care what I think???? No, same logic goes for those who believe in God.
bexrbetter Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Yes, they stayed out in the rain and were killed in Noah's flood - there's a song about it. Well there's a song about it, then it must be true. Excuse me while I go in search of Puff the Magic Dragon .... When passengers are told a snake crawled into the plane, they are pretty interested in having you prove it's not still there. Hang on I'll have a look around, hmmm, people starving to death in Africa, 6 million Jews killed in WW2, 4 year old innocent children contracting leukemia, 4000 known genetic defects .... ok, looked enough, there is no gods. Oh and if the snake was on the plane it would have been found, or a shedded skin or snake poo, i.e. evidence - where's the evidence of gods not created by man's hand? No, same logic goes for those who believe in God. I've said this before in the thread; Lets pretend there is a God, or 56, I don't believe in anything as such but I also don't go around otherwise 7 days a week trying to figure out what is life, why do a considerable number of followers devote so much time to the matter, just live your lives approximately, and the best you can, to the written (and logical) rules, and enjoy your life otherwise.
turboplanner Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 That's what happens when you can't recognise humour Bex.
DonRamsay Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Bexrbetter, I can't thank you for posting the "debate". I wasted a significant fraction of my existence watching that. Still, I learned something - I'll never make that mistake again. There is no point in a debate with closed minds who believe every (English) word in the Bible is the inspired word of God. You might as well argue with a Muslim about the rot that is in the Quran or a Jewish person over their version of the same mythology. Never again!
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