Bruce Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I've got a religious problem too Don, I can't find a " bible is the word of god" believer who will even attempt to explain why we don't run into the firmament " which separates the waters above from the waters below" in our planes. The most I've seen is about how it means something different if you interpret it like this... and then they go on with weaseling out of a literal reading of the bible. And there are the sun and moon as downlights built into this swimming-pool base under which we fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 There is no point in a debate with closed minds who believe every (English) word in the Bible is the inspired word of God. Ahh, so in fact you did get the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Ahh, so in fact you did get the point! If only I could actually follow my own advice . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 If only I could actually follow my own advice . . . Damned if you do, damned if you don't (habitual metaphor, not a religious one) ... Tell a secret, I have tried to watch the whole thing a few times myself but just feel like throwing rocks at it and turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just in case anyone thought Theism was the default setting for homo sapiens: Atheism is as natural as religion, new research suggests, throwing doubt onto the notion humans are preprogrammed to believe in deities. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/atheism-is-as-old-as-religion-new-study-suggests-a6879341.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzBirdy Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Well there ya go, that prooves it then, im not human. ;) (Didnt think i was, iv seen sum s*** humans do, and i dont want to be associated with them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just in case anyone thought Theism was the default setting for homo sapiens: Atheism is as natural as religion, new research suggests, throwing doubt onto the notion humans are preprogrammed to believe in deities. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/atheism-is-as-old-as-religion-new-study-suggests-a6879341.html Just listening to this - the history of atheism https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pgzY744e47?play=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just in case anyone thought Theism was the default setting for homo sapiens: Atheism is as natural as religion, new research suggests, throwing doubt onto the notion humans are preprogrammed to believe in deities. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/atheism-is-as-old-as-religion-new-study-suggests-a6879341.html Better read it again Don, that's going back only to the Greeks and Romans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I am a atheist? I will leave it to Tim Minchin to educate for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 More aimed at the previous pope but relevant for the vatican as a whole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTIorwtJbhE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Maybe somebody can help me understand the Easter story. You can already buy hot cross buns around here, so its that time of the year. Suppose Queen Elizabeth was God and London was the world. One day the Queen decides that the sinful inhabitants of London need her forgiveness so she can let them into heaven when they die. But she feels she can't just do this off the cuff. So she sends Charles to go to a tough part of London to preach clean living to the people there and thereby disrupt the gangs a bit. Then a particularly nasty gang kills Charles, just as the Queen has planned. Having done this, the Queen now feels herself able to forgive all of London and let them into heaven*. (* conditions apply.) Have I got this right? Is the story even sane? The best answer will get to explain the Trinity as a prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 You're not as good as you used to be, Lord, at telling stories - we used to get free cakes and wine first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I have said it before and shall say it again. Arguing about religion is like arguing over who has the best imaginary friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I can imagine that would be about right. All knowledge is increasing ..Atheists are more likely to believe that knowledge, so.. Atheists knowledge is INCREASING. Someone's has to because we are doing a crook job of managing things so far. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 There's non so blind as those who will not see. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 There's non so blind as those who will not see. Nev Never mind the Prophet's words, it would help if you just clicked the "Reply" button, then the subject matter you want to comment on comes up like this, and we would know what those deep words were referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Facthunter's words remind me of this flood story. When a flood hit the district, and the houses were covered to roof level, some rescuers in a boat came across an old farmer perched on the top of his roof. "Jump in!" they called. "No thanks, the Lord will protect me" replied the farmer. A few hours later another rescue boat came by and the farmer replied to their offer of help with "No thanks, the Lord will protect me." The flood had come up to the tip of the roof, and rescuers in a helicopter saw him clinging to the tip of the roof. Hovering overhead they called "GRAB THE ROPE AND PUT IT ROUND YOUR WAIST!" The farmer replied "No thanks, the Lord will protect me." The flood continued to rise and the farmer slipped away and was drowned. When he got to the Pearly Gates he was greeted by St Peter, but just snarled at him. St Peter escorted him in to be introduced to God, and said "It seems we have an unhappy customer" "I'm unhappy allright you bastard" said the farmer, "you let me drown!" and in a final act of defiance "I've turned ATHEIST" "What did you want me to do?" asked God, "I sent two boats and a helicopter!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 So even an atheist gets to heaven? I've heard of many deathbed repentences but not many deathbed sudden loss of faith, but I guess I'm spoiling the story. A whole life being faithful and dropping the insurance right when you need it ? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Some more Tim Minchin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Facthunter's words remind me of this flood story.When a flood hit the district, and the houses were covered to roof level, some rescuers in a boat came across an old farmer perched on the top of his roof. "Jump in!" they called. "No thanks, the Lord will protect me" replied the farmer. A few hours later another rescue boat came by and the farmer replied to their offer of help with "No thanks, the Lord will protect me." The flood had come up to the tip of the roof, and rescuers in a helicopter saw him clinging to the tip of the roof. Hovering overhead they called "GRAB THE ROPE AND PUT IT ROUND YOUR WAIST!" The farmer replied "No thanks, the Lord will protect me." The flood continued to rise and the farmer slipped away and was drowned. When he got to the Pearly Gates he was greeted by St Peter, but just snarled at him. St Peter escorted him in to be introduced to God, and said "It seems we have an unhappy customer" "I'm unhappy allright you bastard" said the farmer, "you let me drown!" and in a final act of defiance "I've turned ATHEIST" "What did you want me to do?" asked God, "I sent two boats and a helicopter!" Reminds me of another one. A public servant dies and finds himself at the pearly gates. (This is a joke, not a theological position...) Anyway, the gates open, there's a fanfare of trumpets, fireworks, a full-on parade... the whole thing. While the bloke is standing there wondering what all the fuss is about, St Peter strides up and shakes his hand. "Welcome!" he says. "Thanks..." says the bloke. "But what's all this about?" "What's it all about??" says St Peter. "You're the oldest man who ever lived! One hundred and thirty nine years old! Well done - welcome to eternal rest at last!" "139??" says the public servant. "I think there's been a mistake... I'm only sixty-eight!" Frowning, St Peter whips out a laptop and checks the bloke's record. His brow clears. "Ah... I see where we went wrong... we went by your time sheets..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 So even an atheist gets to heaven? I've hard of many deathbed repentances Yuh, like the bulk of the Nazi's at Nuremberg, they repented, "found Christ" at the last minute so yep, they get a gold ticket to Heaven, this is the same forgiving god who didn't bother to intervene while those same Nazi's killed 5 or 6 million Jews, let alone the sum total of some 50 million innocents many praying for help the whole time. So it's obviously ok to do whatever the hell you want in life and repent on your deathbed. But of course there's something in the Bible to cover that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Depends whether he's in a good mood; you've heard about the flood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 So after the flood where did all the water go? All the occupants would have eaten each other after a week anyhow and the Gene pool would have been weak, breeding from such a small sample. Sea creatures would not have to have been part of the Ark solution either because they don't drown in water. It's a fairly silly yarn.Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Someone did the maths to show there was not enough ice, water and moisture on earth to cover all the land, and you would spend a few lifetimes capturing two of every species, but there are flood legends in many unrelated civilisations. The latest information I've read suggests the Biblical version may be based on the end of the last ice age, when the mediterranean sea was created over what was previously a river which flowed from east to west out through the Pillars of Heracles. The suggestions is 'the world" referred to to the "world" of the people who lived in and around the area now covered by the Mediterranian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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