M61A1 Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 But....he's not actually all that funny. Billy Connolly, he's funny. For the veterans among us, Dave Allen. He's bloody funny. The Two Ronnies, now that's funny. This guy tries in a weird sort of way and is mildly amusing in parts, but he loses it when he makes silly and misguided anti-evolutionary arguments like the old "order from chaos" chestnut and the "shake the components of a watch for 6 billion years and they still won't assemble themselves into a watch" (duh, no kidding?). All he shows is a complete misunderstanding of the topic and his audience laugh along with him because they misunderstand it too and are none the wiser! You want funny? Jim Jeffries on religion is funny.....
facthunter Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Down the track we won't regard todays medical practices as sound either as we revise our techniques in the light of more knowledge. The bible (which has many versions) and the Koran have followers who will never allow revision of their holy book(s) and regard revisionists as a threat nearly as large as atheism. Even writing the word "Atheism", calling it an" ism" isn't correct. A vacuum is not another gas. as it's an absence of ANY gas, same as a non believer can't logically be called a religion. Infidel is probably a more honest description, meaning unbeliever, but the way it's applied is to cast out and treat badly. Forced conversion has been performed by most of them at times with earthly penalties as well as for the afterlife. Nev
Marty_d Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 It'll be interesting when science works out the origins of life (they're already pretty sure it commenced around hydrothermal vents). When that happens the need for a "creator" totally disappears. Of course it won't change the fanatics minds - the tin foil hat brigade are immune to true knowledge.
Yenn Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 OK so nobody here can say what post 3325 says. Not sure if Turbs can elucidate.
dutchroll Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 It'll be interesting when science works out the origins of life (they're already pretty sure it commenced around hydrothermal vents). When that happens the need for a "creator" totally disappears.Of course it won't change the fanatics minds - the tin foil hat brigade are immune to true knowledge. I've actually never seen the need for a creator, despite the best attempts of the church in my childhood years at home to convince me there definitely is one. I've never understood why people can't accept that there are some things we just don't know the exact answer to. This is distinctly different from the natural human trait of curiosity and eagerness to find answers. I have that in abundance. However it's just a fact that we're not entirely certain of how some things happen so why do I need to invent a supernatural entity to "explain" it? I'm more than happy to let it stay a bit speculative until we actually obtain the knowledge or technology to answer it properly.
facthunter Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 There arises the question.... Who created the creator? How does intelligent design work? Evolution is going on all the time, all around us, Microbes, virus's. Plants mutate and reproduce. There are fossils that date back millions of years, but the believers say the earth is only 6300 years old ignoring the fact that the complex elements in the periodic table and existing on this planet that we need so much have had to be formed in a colossal event in the galaxy, countless years ago, .predating any form of life by millions of years. How can we be such complex organisms? Well how would we be otherwise with change happening over such a large time period. We will continue to evolve IF we survive.. Nev
Marty_d Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 We will continue to evolve IF we survive.. Nev 'sokay Nev, if we don't survive, something else will. Vertebrate fish first appeared about 530 million years ago. Dinosaurs lived and evolved from 250 million years ago and lasted until about 63 million years ago - that's 187 MILLION years they lasted for. When they bit the dust it allowed mammals, including our ancestors, to evolve. They didn't come down from the trees until 2 million years ago, and our own particular species has only been around for about 200,000 years. We are literally a flash in the pan on geological timescales. We may continue to evolve and eventually leave the planet, we may disappear in an extinction event of our own making in the near future. Either way the Earth will survive and life with it, and when an ecological vacuum appears, something WILL evolve to fill it. Eventually, in 4 or 5 billion years, our sun will use all its fuel and become a red giant before collapsing into a white dwarf, effectively ending life on Earth.
facthunter Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Our brains haven't evolved enough to leave out tribal prehistory instincts behind that lead us into all kinds of dangerous reactions to perceived threat. Tribes that cooperate survive best. That generally only happens in harsh environments or with things like ants and bees for example. Nev
Marty_d Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Our brains haven't evolved enough to leave out tribal prehistory instincts behind that lead us into all kinds of dangerous reactions to perceived threat. Tribes that cooperate survive best. That generally only happens in harsh environments or with things like ants and bees for example. Nev Of course they haven't - they haven't had time. Evolution is a long term thing. A hundred and fifty years ago mankind had never gone faster than the speed of a galloping horse, unless they fell off a cliff. In that eyeblink of history we now have astronauts travelling at 27,000 kph.
M61A1 Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Of course they haven't - they haven't had time. Evolution is a long term thing. A hundred and fifty years ago mankind had never gone faster than the speed of a galloping horse, unless they fell off a cliff. In that eyeblink of history we now have astronauts travelling at 27,000 kph. For the pedants among us..... ASP: How Fast Are You Moving When You Are Sitting Still?
bexrbetter Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 For the pedants among us..... ASP: How Fast Are You Moving When You Are Sitting Still? Oh Your God! How do we breathe?
M61A1 Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Oh Your God! How do we breathe? My god is a Goddess....
Litespeed Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 For the pedants among us..... ASP: How Fast Are You Moving When You Are Sitting Still? Monty Python did a great song about this in "Meaning of Life" from memory.
Marty_d Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 For the pedants among us..... ASP: How Fast Are You Moving When You Are Sitting Still? Okay okay... I should have used the words "relative to the Earth's surface"...
facthunter Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 It was stationary and flat not long ago, and all the heavenly bodies moved around it. Some still believe that is the case today. Nev
octave Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 Much as I like Coxie, I prefer the original! I first saw this in 2011 when Brian Cox was is Australia, they previewed it at a lecture I was lucky enough to attend. Apparently Brian met Eric Idle and mentioned that some of the original lines were scientifically incorrect. Interestingly Eric Idle has been on some episodes of The Infinite Monkey Cage http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00snr0w/episodes/downloads and he seems to quite knowledgeable. he also wrote and performs the theme song.
Marty_d Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 That's gold, Octave. I never realised how realistic you could make a Muppet. Loved the lines: "If infinite monkeys typed every day They might accidentally write Hamlet the play But they'd probably just sh*t on it and throw it away In the Infinite Monkey Cage..."
bexrbetter Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 There's a lot of love for Cox going on here. Anyway, back to topic, You could only write this for a Monty Python skit ... "US pastor Tony Perkins, who believes natural disasters are sent by God to punish gay people, has fled his Louisiana flooded home in a canoe." US pastor, who believes floods are God's punishment, flees flooded home
Marty_d Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Funny how natural disasters affect hetero people too. Either god needs to work on his targeting systems or the good pastor is in the closet...
nomadpete Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 I just love how "Athiest Knowledge" keeps getting updated more than any other forum! Could it be the only knowledge that keeps growing?
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