Atheist knowledge

[bexrbetter]

Hey, this is a bit rich, coming from a bloke operating in a country that still worships Chairman Mao as some kind of God!

... and it's now 2016.

 

I could explain it, but that would also require you to understand it, fat chance.

 

I'm old enough to clearly remember the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution - and the near-destruction of China, in the name and pursuit of socialist idealogy!

And my 90 year old Father in law hid in the mountains for 8 years for being an educated Doctor and I'm married to a lady who went through it as a child, and of course has lived through every change since as a Lawyer, I know more about these things than you do Mr Expert.

 

Once again you demonstrate your utter ignorance of China, time to put your bigotry on ignore.

 

But I'll leave you with some truth, while your Government oppresses you and sells off your country from under you, they merely use an age old propaganda trick of pointing you elsewhere and saying "See how bad it is over there .....". Sucker.

 

 

[M61A1]

If you rearrange the letters in the words Faith and Religion, you can make "Microwave."

 

No, don't test it or question it, just believe me.

 

 

[turboplanner]

If you rearrange the letters in the words Faith and Religion, you can make "Microwave."No, don't test it or question it, just believe me.

The good old atheist logic we've come to know and love.

 

 

[facthunter]

Haven't you any faith in good old atheist logic, Turbs? Nev

 

 

[Bruce]

I think its fair to point out how faith works. You have to at least pretend to believe obvious nonsense.

 

For example, the firmament. This is an obvious bit of nonsense which should be corrected in the Bible but it's not going to be and in the meantime the Bible is treated as infallible. How can this be explained?

 

 

[turboplanner]

I think its fair to point out how faith works. You have to at least pretend to believe obvious nonsense.For example, the firmament. This is an obvious bit of nonsense which should be corrected in the Bible but it's not going to be and in the meantime the Bible is treated as infallible. How can this be explained?

From my experience the only people who treat the Bible as infallible are atheists who quote it trying to make a point.

 

You only have to read it to be able to pick out the BS stories.

 

On the other hand the Bible contains a lot of detail which is factually correct, and is being corroborated by researchers even now.

 

 

[facthunter]

Infallibility was usually related to the Pope. There's some good advice in the new testament, but walking on water and loaves and fishes feeding the multitudes can't be treated as actualities without a grain of salt. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

Infallibility was usually related to the Pope. There's some good advice in the new testament, but walking on water and loaves and fishes feeding the multitudes can't be treated as actualities without a grain of salt. Nev

Well we covered, a long time ago in this thread, which is rivalling the bible for length, that the Pope and other financially based components of the roman catholic church were inventions of Saul to make money.

 

As far as walking on water and dividing fishes to feed the multitude, Jesus, as one of the teachers talked in parables - which we don't do today. Also, a stream of belief caqme down from the Egyptians, and we have no idea today of their spoken language, and their written language was more visual, than the narrative we use today, so we have some major misunderstandings.

 

For example, when Jesus raised someone from the dead, he wasn't bringing them back to life, they had previously been booted out of their religious group and were "dead". He was just reinstating their membership.

 

Turning water into wine and cutting up fishes to cause them to multiply may well have been as simple as him saying, today: "Well that's it for today's sermon folks, the drinks and grog are on me!"

 

 

[M61A1]

From my experience the only people who treat the Bible as infallible are atheists who quote it trying to make a point.You only have to read it to be able to pick out the BS stories.

 

On the other hand the Bible contains a lot of detail which is factually correct, and is being corroborated by researchers even now.

If that's the case, you haven't met too many fundamentalist Christians then....Actually, there are heaps of religious people out there that believe that their own particular version of god given scripture is absolutely infallible, not just Christians, some of which are responsible for a lot of crap going down in the world today.

 

 

[Bruce]

Referring to the Jesus parables, they actually comprise serious evidence that the Jesus character was invented, or at least highly embellished.

 

The dead sea scrolls apparently contained the Jesus parables and were dated at 400 BC.

 

AND if there was any useful and new knowledge in the Bible, why did it not tell them about germs? Among many other things. The book of revelation is actually a sad illustration of the lack of any divine guidance. It didn't even foretell how some of us would fly in Jabirus.

 

 

[turboplanner]

If that's the case, you haven't met too many fundamentalist Christians then....Actually, there are heaps of religious people out there that believe that their own particular version of god given scripture is absolutely infallible, not just Christians, some of which are responsible for a lot of crap going down in the world today.

As I mentioned, we can disregard Christians and Christianity. The Christian Era takes up just 6.7% of the 30,000 years back we have got to in this thread.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Referring to the Jesus parables, they actually comprise serious evidence that the Jesus character was invented, or at least highly embellished.The dead sea scrolls apparently contained the Jesus parables and were dated at 400 BC.

 

AND if there was any useful and new knowledge in the Bible, why did it not tell them about germs? Among many other things. The book of revelation is actually a sad illustration of the lack of any divine guidance. It didn't even foretell how some of us would fly in Jabirus.

The Dead Sea scrolls, found, I think in 1947, are still in the process of being translated, so we can expect more news.

 

 

[M61A1]

As I mentioned, we can disregard Christians and Christianity. .

That's ok, I already do..... Hang on, you were the one saying only atheists take the bible seriously.

 

Instead of speaking in riddles, why don't you tell us which god it is that you believe in?

 

Yes, we know that people have worshipped god/s in many forms throughout the short history of human life on this planet, but that doesn't make it any more real. It has generally just been the human way to explain what they thought was unexplainable at the time, and in doing so, makes them feel more important and comforted that they're "special".

 

 

[bexrbetter]

The Dead Sea scrolls, found, I think in 1947, are still in the process of being translated, so we can expect more news.

Well I hope so, I for one am very concerned that I am not sacrificing animals in the correct manner or for that matter, the right temple.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Well I hope so, I for one am very concerned that I am not sacrificing animals in the correct manner or for that matter, the right temple.

Sacrificing animals, temples? Have you read any of the translations?

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Sacrificing animals, temples? Have you read any of the translations?

Yes, and that's what I am quoting so I pose the question to you, have you read any of the translations?

 

 

[PA.]

The Dead Sea scrolls, found, I think in 1947, are still in the process of being translated, so we can expect more news.

Is it really that hard? Google Translate

 

When you see some people you do have to wonder how slow were the sperm they beat?

 

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Prayer is an act of doubt, not an act of faith. For if you really trusted your God's plan you wouldn't pray for anything.

 

[dutchroll]

I don't understand biblical fundamentalists.

 

It's like "if so much as one word of this isn't true my entire world will collapse around me, therefore it is all 100% accurate".

 

Pretty sad way to live your life in my opinion.

 

 

[facthunter]

And this thread was started to laugh about atheist knowledge.Nev

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Is it really that hard? Google Translate

Ha!

 

Like the factual lessons from the Dead Sea Scrolls on sacrifice and which is the right temple to do the sacrifices in, I'm sure there's lots already translated that they would prefer people not to see, religious people are quite consistent in that area.

 

Temple Scroll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Love the racism and segregation in it as well.

 

They shoot themselves in the foot actually, if they based their sermons on Deuteronomy, then I imagine the pews would be full (with guys in raincoats in the back rows!) and a Deuteronomy movie would possibly be a blockbuster, but coincidently wouldn't get past the religious censors

 

 

[dutchroll]

I remember the conversation (with a young earth creationist) well. It started like this:

 

"You just need to look at the night sky and you're peering back millions of years in time."

 

"Huh? How do you figure that?"

"Because those stars are millions of light years distant and that light from them which you're seeing now has taken that long to arrive here."

 

"Well obviously the speed of light is wrong."

"It has been measured to within 1 m/s by a number of experiments and they all get the same results."

 

"Well they must've done the experiment wrong, or they don't know the right distance."

"That's actually experimentally estimated to a reasonable degree of accuracy too......enough to tell they're millions of years away."

 

"Well those experiments must be wrong too."

Yeah ok....not really much point in pursuing this any further, is there?

 

 

[Bikky]

"Anyone who lies with his wife and has an ejaculation, for three days shall not enter anywhere in the city of the temple in which I shall install my name."

 

What the ....? Here's proof atheists have more fun!

 

The antiquity of a text does not make it more relevant or truthful.

 

 

[PA.]

"Anyone who lies with his wife and has an ejaculation, for three days shall not enter anywhere in the city of the temple in which I shall install my name."

Thank God it's OK to ejaculate with another person before going to church, otherwise very few priest would be there.

 

 

[turboplanner]

It might be helpful for those making these one line quotes to understand that the Essenes were studying all of the various religions, as well as day to day life.

 

Look at the dead sea scrolls as valuable research notes.

 

Where they are of most value is in corroborating events in the Bible and Sumerian texts to provide corroborated dates and even times of some events.

 

 

[dutchroll]

I don't think there's much debate that certain events transcribed in the bible are based, whether accurately or slightly loosely, on historical facts, especially where they concern the geopolitical situation back in those days.

 

However many other parts are certainly not.

 

The big problem we have is when so many folk confuse what's based on historical recollections, what's metaphorical in nature, and what's fairly obviously just totally made up from ancient superstition etc.