Atheist knowledge

[Gnarly Gnu]

God-haters like yourself have been around a long time. In other news water is wet. The sky is blue.

 

 

[Marty_d]

God-haters like yourself have been around a long time. In other news water is wet. The sky is blue.

Can't hate something there's no evidence for.

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Yet it happens.

 

Proverbs 10:18

 

 

[fly_tornado]

[rankamateur]

Oh, oh, looks like all those old bibles will have to be thrown in the rubbish

"An inconvenient truth"? No sorry that one has been done already, hope this one is more believable.

 

 

[Marty_d]

As exciting as it is to see Atheists coming out way ahead of Christians in quoting bizarre Bible passages, an Atheist is one who doesn't believe in God, rather than a person who doesn't believe in Christ, and the good news is that if we go back further than the time the Bible was written, all that forking through the fog of who begat who, who was gnashing his teeth and whether the Battle of Jericho was simply a football match.

Egypt is more interesting, since the Neteru, the people who arrived at Zep Tepi (The First Time) were not gods at all.

 

The Pharaonic culture took off in the third millennium BC.

 

John Anthony West: “Every aspect of Egyptian knowledge seems to have been complete at the very beginning.

 

“The sciences, artistic and architectural techniques and the hieroglyphic system shown virtually no signs of a period of “development”; indeed, many of the achievements of the earliest dynasties were never surpassed or even equalled later on.

 

“How does a complex civilization spring full-blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of ‘development’. Bit in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there at the start. The answer to the mystery is obvious, but because it is repellent to the prevailing cast of modern thinking, it is seldom considered.

 

“Egyptian civilization was not a ‘development’; it was a legacy”

 

And that leads to a whole new ball game.

Replacing a simplistic unlikely theory (god) with a more complicated unlikely theory ("Neteru") doesn't make either theory any more likely. Where did the Neteru come from? What's their origin?

 

You guys are welcome to your gods, conspiracy theories and all the other imaginary things your brain (or someone else's) can come up with.

 

Funny thing, L.Ron Hubbard once said that the easiest way to make a lot of money is to start your own religion. He then went on to create scientology. But the true believers of scientology remain true believers.

 

The moral? Even when presented with inescapable proof that their religion's founder did it for the bucks, and it's all BS, they still believe. People will believe anything.

 

 

[turboplanner]

I picked you for an architect or engineer Marty, which is why I spent a lot of time on you, but I'm up to speed now.

 

You're welcome to your beliefs.

 

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Dorothy Dixers about the Neteru - we've only just started to work back from Christianity.

 

I agree the people who believe Hubbard are nuts, but there are others who don't believe anything.

 

 

[rgmwa]

Hey Turbo. How many books have you got in your library? It must rival the ancient one at Alexandria.

 

rgmwa

 

 

[DonRamsay]

An extract from the article posted by Bex:

 

" The new study confirms that zircon crystals from Western Australia's Jack Hills region crystallized 4.4 billion years ago, building on earlier studies that used lead isotopes to date the Australian zircons and identify them as the oldest bits of the Earth's crust. The microscopic zircon crystal used by Valley and his group in the current study is now confirmed to be the oldest known material of any kind formed on Earth.

 

The study, according to Valley, strengthens the theory of a "cool early Earth," where temperatures were low enough for liquid water, oceans and a hydrosphere not long after the planet's crust congealed from a sea of molten rock. "The study reinforces our conclusion that Earth had a hydrosphere before 4.3 billion years ago," and possibly life not long after, says Valley.

 

My question to the Great Gnu is how can you maintain that the Earth is just 6,000 y.o. in the face of all the evidence that have been verified many times over? Are you asking us to accept that Science has got everything wrong and only the goat herders really know the truth? If Science has everything wrong, how could they possibly have landed a man on the moon?

 

 

[fly_tornado]

obvious explanation for the rewriting the bible: grammar

 

 

[octave]

An extract from the article posted by Bex:" how could they possibly have landed a man on the moon?

 

Shhh Don, you'll wake the moon conspiracists up

 

 

[horsefeathers]

An extract from the article posted by Bex:My question to the Great Gnu is how can you maintain that the Earth is just 6,000 y.o. in the face of all the evidence that have been verified many times over? Are you asking us to accept that Science has got everything wrong and only the goat herders really know the truth? If Science has everything wrong, how could they possibly have landed a man on the moon?

Oh Don, you just don't get these christians.

 

As Avocet said , when talking about the creation of , well, everything, <<"Hebrew : Day = yom , a period of time 6 periods of time .>> Thus, time is relative. So the Christian 6,000 years (which by the by was only calculated by some obscure bishop, whose name escapes me) COULD be 6,000 years, or 6 Billion or 25 days for all they know or care. They can claim anything, and back it up with wild interpretations depending on what is needed for a particular argument.

 

And man landing on the moon? - piffle - show me the bible tract where that happened.

 

 

[DonRamsay]

Turbo, you still seem to be hung up on the delusion that an "Atheist is one who doesn't believe in God". An Atheist is a person who lives without reference to any God. Not only do they have no regard for or interest in your God they don't have any interest in any of the myriad of gods invented by men to meet some primeval need for answers for everything, an imaginary big brother to look after them and a place to go when their atoms disassemble.

 

Only a Theist defines and Atheist as a non-believer and thinks of them as anti-theist. Why not define us as pro-evidence or pro-logic. Why the negative "anti-theist" tag. I know why and it is because of long held prejudices encouraged and enforced by the religious hierarchy clinging to temporal power.

 

Most people would term a person who doesn't believe in the tooth fairy an "adult".

 

Why do people who live without regard for deities have to be thought of as anti-theist?

 

 

[facthunter]

That's pretty good logic Don. Atheists are not all the same. They don't belong to the religion of "atheism", that recites the catechisms of atheism. There are many different gods they don't believe in. Many of them come from a condition of believing in some religion and go to not believing at all, in a deity. Many devout (xyz religious people ) lose their beliefs in a critical time like war, or an earthquake or plague, where they can't believe a loving god (as an example) could permit such atrocities to happen. I have no difficulty in believing that people a long time ago had god(s) to worship or fear. Most societies through the ages seem to have the need for a higher being to explain the complex wonders around them. None of that is proof of the existence of one either.

 

Calling atheists a religion is like thinking INDEPENDENTS belong to a Party.. Same kind of assumption..Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

3 groups of 6 missions, the answer is right in front of your face 6 6 6

 

 

 

[DonRamsay]

Turbo, I am a keen amateur student of all things Egyptology. It is the only place in the world outside Australia where I would like to re-visit. Regardless of how brilliant the Amalfi coast is and how lovely a time we spent there, nothing matches the spectacle of Egypt. Easily the civilisation with the greatest longevity (that we know of).

 

We know so much of ancient Egypt because of two things: they wrote lots of stuff down; and, the weather is extremely dry and stuff does rot away in the extreme dryness. The paint on the ceiling of the stupendous tomb of my ancestor Ramsays IV (historians keep misspelling our name Ramses :-/ ) still has brilliant gold and blue clearly visible. Even on the "verandah" of the temple of Hatshepsut you can see paint colours clearly.

 

However, our personal interest in Egyptology is a bit of a thread stretch don't you think?

 

 

[horsefeathers]

3 groups of 6 missions, the answer is right in front of your face 6 6 6

I'll bite - where is the 666, and what is the relevance?

 

(6 Apollo, 5 Surveyor, and 8 Luna missions.)

 

I havent ever heard of that in reference to the moon or missions to the moon, I must admit

 

 

[facthunter]

A mate of mine was flying with a Muslim who was adamant the Lunar landing was BS. Asked why. "because the rocket didn't pass over Mecca, which is the only way to leave the earth".. One of these guys may be your next pilot, for your dream holiday. Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

I was hoping to catch GNu with that one

 

 

[turboplanner]

However, our personal interest in Egyptology is a bit of a thread stretch don't you think?

You want the whole 20,000 pages in one post just to follow the theme?

 

 

[facthunter]

Egyptology is pretty interesting . The Chinese have a grand history too. For continuity can anyone beat the Australian Aborigines. 40+ thousand years.. BUT what is all this to the essential theme? Nev

 

 

[DonRamsay]

Egyptology is pretty interesting . The Chinese have a grand history too. For continuity can anyone beat the Australian Aborigines. 40+ thousand years.. BUT what is all this to the essential theme? Nev

Aboriginal history might be long but they lacked what the Egyptians did - write it down. Not sure it would be a very interesting history even if their oral history is very colourful and even poetic.

 

After the big and very unexpected Newcastle Earthquake (25 years ago) a story from the dream time came to light that a giant kangaroo lived inside Nobbys Island (at mouth of the Hunter River). Seems when the Kangaroo got upset he would slap his tail around and the ground would shake. Possible this story was invented post earthquake of course but if it wasn't it might have given the earth scientists a heads up.

 

Incidentally, I don't believe there was or is such a thing as a Giant Kangaroo living inside a hilly island at the entry to the Port of Newcastle, but what would I know? I'm just and atheist and don't know sh!t.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

God-haters like yourself have been around a long time. In other news water is wet. The sky is blue.

Hating anything would require a belief in that thing in the first instance, but nice try.

 

You seem to miss all the good bits of having a whore as a messiah, after this revalation, expect church to be held at premises such as 'Touch of Class' and 'Gentleman's Spa and Massage'.

 

Will bring a whole new meaning to 'Mass'

 

 

[bexrbetter]

BUT what is all this to the essential theme? Nev

The theme is to get to 1000 posts Nev so anything goes!

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Yes I got it, YAY!

 

Worship me!!