Atheist knowledge

[turboplanner]

Lots of biblical characters went into the desert to find themselves. Were they schitzoid.? Nev

They were actually looking for fallen engine parts to see what caused the problem.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

The relevance of Egypt is that, with the exception of one single Pharaoh late in the sequence who was a bit odd and believed in Sun worship, they believed in God, so the belief evidence takes us back about ten times further than Jesus Christ.

In no way am I disputing the beliefs in Gods.

 

It goes back even further with a VHC, but I need to find some more accurate information before I lay that one on you.

I want to say again that your posts have been of great interest and appreciated, thank you.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Just as a matter of interest, it is 418 km from Cairo to Jerusalem - 87 hours walk if someone parts the Red Sea for you.

 

Moses and the Israelites took forty years to do it.

 

You'd thinking someone would have said "Moses, are you SURE you know the way?"

 

 

[bexrbetter]

You'd thinking someone would have said "Moses, are you SURE you know the way?"

I already mentioned, the 3rd tablet Moses dropped and broke was a local road map.

 

 

[M61A1]

I heard they weren't paid award wages. Nev

Maybe if you talk to a good lawyer, you could prove some sort of lineage and go for a claim to get those wages reimbursed, with interest.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Just as a matter of interest, it is 418 km from Cairo to Jerusalem - 87 hours walk if someone parts the Red Sea for you.Moses and the Israelites took forty years to do it.

 

You'd thinking someone would have said "Moses, are you SURE you know the way?"

Hell of a time for his GPS to go on the fritz.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Jeez I dunno about the Red sea parting and Moses and mob walking through it. Without photos, it didn't happen.

 

 

[turboplanner]

It was late at night and they walked round the beach Dazz.

 

 

[Marty_d]

The parting of the Red Sea thing was probably another translation error. The original probably went something like this:

 

"And lo and behold, on the fifty-fourth day of ramadamadingdong, Moses did verily eat a fox's leg boiled in camel piss; and ere long he fell on the ground groaning, and spaketh thus: 'Verily I say unto thee, this leg of fox hath turned; it sitteth like a stone in my guts, and turneth my bowels to water.' Then, lifting his robe, he verily farted upon his enemies; and they turned as one, and fled into the Red Sea, saying one to the other, 'bugger this for a game of marbles, I'm off to help build the Pyramids.'"

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...from the Ozzie version of the King James Version?

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Marty found the bottle of red sea the family has been hiding from him .....

 

Jeez I dunno about the Red sea parting and Moses and mob walking through it. Without photos, it didn't happen.

How about the Pharoah of Giza/Memphis (Elvis?) lets Moses lead his mob out of Egypt with an escort, Moses takes the shortest path to Sinai which is due East, flat land, cut around the top of the Gulf of Suez where the Egyptians with their horses and chariots who are probably escorting them out, can't get through the soft salty lake beds or swampy areas.

 

There is no logic to why anyone would go South then East across a hundred kms of desert and mountains to even get to the Red Sea, regardless of if "God" was going to part the sea once there or not, and not be anywhere near the Sinai anyway once they crossed 75kms of dry sea bed.

 

Myth Busted.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Interesting snippet here about "the Great Flood", note the proximity to Mt Ararat too ...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus#Submarine_channel

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Without photos, it didn't happen.

Like the other mob that claimed to be 40,000 years wandering in the oz wilderness?

 

 

[facthunter]

Think it's more than a claim. They became pretty good at surviving to go the time. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

They are reported as believing in God too, but I haven't found a good enough reference.

 

 

[facthunter]

Rainbow Serpent and evil spirits in ponds etc. I don't want to claim big knowledge in this matter. Animals have a big place and regions features etc. tracks and meeting places for different tribes. Nev

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Like the other mob that claimed to be 40,000 years wandering in the oz wilderness?

 

There's proof beyond doubt the Aborigines were around 5000 40,000 years ago.

 

Without a doubt they are God's children.

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

Yet no-one can explain where >99.99% of them are. Or what they were doing all those tens of thousands of years.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Yet no-one can explain where >99.99% of them are.

I don't know how to break this sad news to you GG, but here goes; They died.

 

Or they're hanging around the back of the Broken Hill pub.

 

Or what they were doing all those tens of thousands of years.

Because of the many undisturbed inner regions of Australia over many thousands of years, Aborigine artifacts and associated fossils are laying around everywhere, in every corner of this Continent - easy to document their dates, their camps and their lifestyles.

 

It is now considered that Aborigines may have been processors of a grass seed millet some 20,000 years before the Chinese or Africans were.

 

 

[facthunter]

Being able to "mill" grass seed and carry it with them, became the means of allowing them to exist in the desertified parts of a very barren continent (as it became). Nev

 

 

[pmccarthy]

The areas north of Broken Hill (and probably everywhere else, it's just that I spent a lot of time north of Broken Hill) were littered with stone mortars and pestles. Hundreds of them. The pastoralists collected them and made garden displays with them. When I was young I thought the Aborigines were careless with them. Much later I realised they had left them one days journey apart on all their travelling routes, so they didn't have to carry them between camps.

 

What I still don't know is whether the Aborigines were gone when the stones were collected, or whether it was part of a strategy to drive them out of those districts.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...Because of the many undisturbed inner regions of Australia over many thousands of years, Aborigine artifacts and associated fossils are laying around everywhere, in every corner of this Continent - easy to document their dates, their camps ...

Around Lennox Head, NSW most of the streets are built on a thick bed of sea shells. Thousands of tons of it has been quarried from middens left by the old people.

 

 

[turboplanner]

There are still huge middens in the South East of South Australia.

 

When I was a kid I was told the aborigines threw them there after a feast and over the years the midden built up.

 

These days I wonder why they would walk the distance from the sea to throw them in the exact same spot

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

The areas north of Broken Hill (and probably everywhere else, it's just that I spent a lot of time north of Broken Hill) were littered with stone mortars and pestles. Hundreds of them. The pastoralists collected them and made garden displays with them. When I was young I thought the Aborigines were careless with them. Much later I realised they had left them one days journey apart on all their travelling routes, so they didn't have to carry them between camps.

What I still don't know is whether the Aborigines were gone when the stones were collected, or whether it was part of a strategy to drive them out of those districts.

Quite likely, PM. Trade routes across the continent were complex and vital to the first peoples of Australia. Centuries before the British arrived and buggered up that system, Yolgnu from Eastern Arnhem Land were funnelling tools and materials from Asia deep into the continent. In 1906 stupid white men stopped the Macassan traders making their annual trips. This devastated the indigenous economy across much of Northern Australia.

 

An interesting snippet, perhaps related to this trade: a few years ago the descendants of Governor Phillip returned to Australia the spear point that was removed from the good Captain's shoulder after he was speared in 1788. Just days after setting up at Sydney Cove he was exploring the harbour and had rashly approached a group of locals. They reacted badly and he copped a spear in the shoulder. His marine escort were about to fire upon the natives but the great man prevented this, explaining that the attack was all his fault and due to a misunderstanding. He was so impressed by how fit and strong his assailants were that he named that spot Manly.

 

When museum curators examined the spear point they found it was iron.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

There are still huge middens in the South East of South Australia.When I was a kid I was told the aborigines threw them there after a feast and over the years the midden built up.

 

These days I wonder why they would walk the distance from the sea to throw them in the exact same spot

Maybe they gathered the shellfish to a central feasting point away from the noise of the surf. The Bandjalang used to gather near Lennox Head every few years for their feast. (Someone would be sent around the various groups with a coded message stick). They'd eat drink and be merry, conduct serious business and trade, arrange marriages then end the festival with a Grand Final. Not footie, but a fair dinkum battle which would end when someone got seriously hurt.