Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 So the ultimate question still remains - Why are we here on earth ? Professor Brian Cox had a fair crack at answering that one in the latest episode of Human Universe. He reckons that science is well on the way to formulating a cohesive theory of what happened before the big bang. Essentially (not having a brain the size of a planet I don't fully understand this...) the theory goes that before the BB there was just energy rippling in a kind of wave pattern, somehow parts of the pattern had a drop in energy which made them spin off into a separate entity. In the case of our particular universe this resulted in the big bang which converted the energy into matter / time etc. The essential part of anyone arguing for a creator is that the earth is perfectly set up to contain life... "goldilocks" position around a star of just the right heat, gravity and temperature range to enable liquid water, etc. etc. B Cox was saying it's even more unique than that; if what we consider as universal constants (speed of light, force of gravity etc) were changed by more than a couple of percent either way, our universe would be unlivable. For example if gravity were a bit stronger then the big bang would have collapsed back in on itself; if it were weaker then galaxies could not form. In short he compared our universe to winning the lotto when they only printed one ticket. So with all the above, you may be forgiven for thinking he had flipped his lid and joined the ranks of creationists. Then came the "BUT..." The big lotto didn't create just one ticket (universe); it created an infinite number. And when you have an infinite number of universes, it's not only probable but inevitable that many of them would happen that had all the right variables to form galaxies, stars, planets, and after 13.7 billion years (give or take), multi-cellular life. So why are we here? Because it's inevitable.
facthunter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 True, but there will never be exact replica's of us anywhere. Even If life started again here from scratch we would not be US . we would be something else.. The CHANCES of that happening are UNBELIEVABLY HIGH. So unlikely as you could practically rule it out. Nev
turboplanner Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 So, God created the rippling energy..............
Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 So, God created the rippling energy.............. ....and who created god?
facthunter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Rippling energy. Now that's something you can believe in.( especially when matter and energy are mutually exchanged). Nev
Old Koreelah Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I'm so tired that The Big Sleep is enticing. ... but almost anything would be preferable to this: http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-17/japan-offers-high-tech-funerals-for-growing-ageing-population/6022722
Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 True, but there will never be exact replica's of us anywhere. Even If life started again here from scratch we would not be US . we would be something else.. The CHANCES of that happening are UNBELIEVABLY HIGH. So unlikely as you could practically rule it out. Nev In an infinite universe, there is no such thing as unbelievably high odds. Somewhere in another universe there's a Nev who created the exact same post but forgot the last full stop. In another one there's a Nev who never became a pilot. In another one the Germans won WWII. Anything that can possibly happen will or has happened somewhere. That's the theory anyway!
Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 ... but almost anything would be preferable to this:http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-17/japan-offers-high-tech-funerals-for-growing-ageing-population/6022722 That sounds eminently sensible! I'd guess Japan doesn't have a whole lot of empty real estate for traditional graveyards.
facthunter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Marty as things evolve they take a turn here and there which is random. The chances of anyone following the EXACT path are more unlikely the longer the process continues AND we have had a LOOOOOOOoooonnnnnnggggg time. Nev
Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Marty as things evolve they take a turn here and there which is random. The chances of anyone following the EXACT path are more unlikely the longer the process continues AND we have had a LOOOOOOOoooonnnnnnggggg time. Nev Yes Nev - but consider the meaning of "infinite". I agree, there would be an infinite number of universes that contain no life at all, an infinite number that contain only dust, an infinite number that have no stars... and an infinite number in which this planet exists, and life on it, in every conceivable variety. In an infinite number the asteroid would have missed and dinosaurs remain the dominant life form. In an infinite number life hasn't got past single-cell stage. In an infinite number aviation hasn't been invented, and in an infinite number we've already colonised Mars and the moon. And in an infinite number you and I are looking at our screens and trying to get our heads around the concept.
David Isaac Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Yeh ... Sounds like we have started a new belief system. LOL. Why are we here? ..... To procreate of course ... Otherwise we are here no more. Pretty simple.
Old Koreelah Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 That sounds eminently sensible! I'd guess Japan doesn't have a whole lot of empty real estate for traditional graveyards. I want my carcass left in the bush for recycling purposes.
pmccarthy Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 What splits off a new universe? Is it my decision to wear red socks today? Can a dog's decision split off a universe? A worms? What if a falling grain of sand bounces to the left? Does another universe snap into being where it bounces to the right? What a load of hogwash!
octave Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 What splits off a new universe? Is it my decision to wear red socks today? Can a dog's decision split off a universe? A worms? What if a falling grain of sand bounces to the left? Does another universe snap into being where it bounces to the right? What a load of hogwash! Just because it is difficult to understand does not mean it is "hogwash" it is not just some fanciful idea and whilst it is still very much a hypothesis it is not without evidence http://phys.org/news/2010-12-scientists-evidence-universes.html Remember that the theory of relativity was once considered counter to common sense.
Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 What splits off a new universe? Is it my decision to wear red socks today? Can a dog's decision split off a universe? A worms? What if a falling grain of sand bounces to the left? Does another universe snap into being where it bounces to the right? What a load of hogwash! I don't know. All I'm saying is that some of the best minds on earth think this theory is likely, and it'll be interesting to see if they can provide evidence one day. I don't "believe" in multiple universes because that's not how science works - it's a hypothesis and may become a valid theory if the evidence supports it. Is it any more "hogwash" than the idea of a supreme creator (with no theory of where it came from) thinking it'd be a great idea to create one big universe and stick a small planet around a small sun out on the outer arm of one minor galaxy then populate it with a variety of life forms, one of which has an immortal soul and will go and live in heaven with that creator if they believe in it?
dazza 38 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Yeh ... Sounds like we have started a new belief system. LOL. Why are we here? ..... To procreate of course ... Otherwise we are here no more. Pretty simple. True but who had sex first ?
octave Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 True but who had sex first ? http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2008/04/080401-first-sex.html
Marty_d Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 True but who had sex first ? Don't know about "first", but "with most other men's wives" would have to be Tiger Woods...
facthunter Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Shagging to keep the race ongoing is the last reason most do it. Recognise it for what it is. Good honest lust, on which you can trust.. Nev
rgmwa Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Surely not, Nev. I always thought it was for a noble cause. Where did I go wrong? rgmwa
dutchroll Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Shagging to keep the race ongoing is the last reason most do it. Recognise it for what it is. Good honest lust, on which you can trust.. Nev Well good honest lust at the time, yes, but it has its longer term downsides!
AVOCET Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 True but who had sex first ? It would have to be MAN , or was it the americans ", yank yank yank "
turboplanner Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 That sounds eminently sensible! I'd guess Japan doesn't have a whole lot of empty real estate for traditional graveyards. They actually have thousands of square kilometres of unused bushland right through Japan. They have developed the flat areas almost totally for rice and other food production. The gentle slopes are used for housing, but the hills are almost never built on or developed, even though they aren't too step or too high. I'm not sure why this is, but it points to the very tunnel vision of the Japanese. If the regulations say don't develop the hills they won't.[ATTACH]47527._xfImport[/ATTACH]
turboplanner Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 On the other hand, when the Japanese decide to make a splash, they do it in style. This is the mausoleum of Masamune Date, one of the most impressive men in world history. Just 15 minutes from the CBD of Sendai, and covering about 50 hectares of the city's high ground , it takes about 15 minutes to walk in through manicured gardens and ceremonial gateways. The photo shows the granite markers for his 22 personal soldiers who committed suicide when he died so they could be buried with him. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e5153.html [ATTACH]47529._xfImport[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]47528._xfImport[/ATTACH]
Old Koreelah Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Well good honest lust at the time, yes, but it has its longer term downsides! Sex: the pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, the expense damnable!
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