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[Chird65]

...I suspect it's contrary to the Australian constitution.

Not really the first section of the Constitution states, I added bolding;

 

"

 

An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia

 

[9th July 1900]

 

WHEREAS the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South

 

Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the

 



blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble

 

Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom

 

of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby

 

established:"

 

 

 

If not specific then at the very least a very strong alignment with a "God"

 

That I do not support hell and brim-fire type religious people, I do support the outcome of support outside of the current education system.

 

Chris (RC) Retired Catholic

 

 

[M61A1]

Absolutely....Gillard actually increased the funding for the chaplaincy program by massive amounts.

 

A good read is The Australian Book of Atheism...written by many authors (printed 2010), edited by Warren Bonett, covers personal, education, social and cultural, politics, philosophy and a chapter titled "religion and the brain".

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Think more about that reaction, Bex. Our whole technological way of life is based on exploring new discoveries.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against "discovering" but imagine if the Royal Children's Hospital had those sorts of budgets and minds what might be able to be achieved.

 

Also I think they are going in the wrong direction, we know 3/5ths of bugger all about our Oceans.

 

 

[Marty_d]

What you say is entirely true Bex. I still think we need this "blue sky" science in addition to all the other "practical" stuff out there. The thing about the cutting edge stuff is that you may not know what the applications are until 50 years in the future - where they may turn out to be vital. Imagine for instance if the work physicists doing now at the LHC turns out in a few decades to lead to something thought impossible today, like matter teleportation, anti-gravity, stable wormholes - any of which could affect human life so profoundly for the better (or for the worse - but I'm an optimist really).

 

 

[octave]

Although pure research can seem to be a luxury we can't afford, it is important to understand that often the applied science relies on discoveries made in the pure sciences.

 

Also usually people over estimate the amount of money spent pure research, for example the NASA budget in 2013 was 0.49% of the budget - a bargain I would say.

 

here is an example of astronomical research that failed in one way and yet yielded so much in an other way

 

The Australian radio-astronomer John O'Sullivan developed a key patent used in Wi-Fi as a by-product in a CSIRO research project, "a failed experiment to detect exploding mini black holes the size of an atomic particle".[4] In 1992 and 1996, Australianorganization CSIRO (the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation) obtained patents[5] for a method later used in Wi-Fi to "unsmear" the signal.[6]

 

Total income to CSIRO from the patent is currently estimated at nearly $430 million.[51] On 14 June 2012, the CSIRO inventors received the European Patent Office (EPO) European Inventor Award (EIA), in the category of "Non-European Countries".[52]

 

 

[M61A1]

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against "discovering" but imagine if the Royal Children's Hospital had those sorts of budgets and minds what might be able to be achieved.

Also I think they are going in the wrong direction, we know 3/5ths of bugger all about our Oceans.

On that note, consider what the wealth of the Catholic church migh achieve.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

the wealth of the Catholic Church

Well there's hypocrisy right there.

 

Ever notice that the stronger the Catholicism in a country, the greater the poverty.

 

 

[rankamateur]

I hear you Bex BUT if the catholic church spent every dollar they own in any one of those poverty hot beds, it would make no difference to the the level of poverty but surely would increase the inequity between the fat cats and the starving.

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Saddest thing about the school chaplains is that ETHICS is banned. Lets not give our kids an understanding from first principles how to behave like a decent human being. Instead lets fill their heads with fairy stories and learn to hate others for their fairy stories.

It has gone to the High Court and been lost by the Govt and the law changed to make it work. It would be unconstitutional in the USA and I suspect it still is here.

 

The one thing I admired that megalomaniac mass murderer Bonaparte for was his Code Napoleon guaranteeing separation of Church and State.

 

I am in strongly in favour of freedom of religion but much more important, for the religious and atheist, is freedom from one religion whether it be Shinto, Islam, Christianity, Judaism - you name it. And, please don't give me that B/S about this being a Christian country founded on christian principles. We are living in the 21st Century not the 18th Century. There has been a great deal of enlightenment since 1770. The UK was dominated by a schism of the Catholic Church for centuries and it was illegal for Catholics to be employed in the public service until our lifetimes. Nobody here wants Sharia Law why should we have to put up with Church of England Law or Presbyterian Law. Why not Law based on what makes sense in the 21st Century and that passes the test of fair to all and ethical?

 

To be religious or not should be a personal thing not something to require others to be impaled on your belief system.

Good post - however, just a side note: If you visit Napoleon Bonapart's tomb, which is in the Ecole Militaire chapel, in Paris, there is an interesting list of his achievements; they were by no means all bad - for example, he established the Bureau Veritas (the first public quality assurance bureau) - which had real teeth; and as a result, as I found in 1978, you cannot purchase a piece of steel there that does not come with a certified quality document. I doubt anybody could market something like those Falcon altimeters there without being prosecuted (in Napoleon's day, sent to the guillotine, I assume). He actually did a great deal of good, before he came second to Wellington at Waterloo.

 

 

[Geoff13]

Following discussions about religion is a bit like listening to children argue over whose imaginary friend is better.

 

 

[DonRamsay]

Daffyd,

 

While I have readily conceded even applauded the good that Napoleon did, it is hard to forget that he dragged half a million Frenchmen around Europe murdering and pillaging on the grandest scale and ended the short lived democracy following the revolution. He was in the end, about as "great" as was Alexander, the other "great" megalomaniac pillager. And his tomb in Paris, best viewed from the Eiffel Tower is an insult to the civilised world. Last time I saw it I was actually offended even if I didn't shout my objection from the top of the Tower.

 

It also amuses me no end that Eiffel was born Bönickhausen and didn't change his name officially to Eiffel (after the mountains) until 1880.

 

 

[DonRamsay]

Regarding Religious Education, I thoroughly enjoyed mine and it was at least a small irony that of the three students who topped Religious Doctrine (I was one) at the High School I attended, two were already confirmed atheists. .

 

Religious Education (comparative religions) would do a great deal of good breaking down the stupid and false distinctions between sects, schisms and belief systems.

 

Trouble is, you would have to look long and hard to find a religious person capable of objectivity in presenting the subject.

 

So, my vote is to forget religious instruction and teach pure ethics.

 

I am strongly inclined to the small "l" liberal side of politics but am blocked from supporting the spendthrift pinko union dominated ALP and the blinkered one-trick-pony Greens which basically leaves me with the LNP. If only Malcom had not fallen for that idiot Gretch's story we might have a Liberal Party that was truly liberal and a lot less conservative and heavily lent on by the religious far right. Ain't politics a bugger!

 

 

[DonRamsay]

I hear you Bex BUT if the catholic church spent every dollar they own in any one of those poverty hot beds, it would make no difference to the the level of poverty . . .

My belief is that if the JC were to return to this Earth, he would be appalled beyond belief by what's happening in Palestine and by the obscene wealth of the Vatican and its Princes.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

as an Athiest, you sometimes wish you are wrong

 

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Daffyd,

While I have readily conceded even applauded the good that Napoleon did, it is hard to forget that he dragged half a million Frenchmen around Europe murdering and pillaging on the grandest scale and ended the short lived democracy following the revolution. He was in the end, about as "great" as was Alexander, the other "great" megalomaniac pillager. And his tomb in Paris, best viewed from the Eiffel Tower is an insult to the civilised world. Last time I saw it I was actually offended even if I didn't shout my objection from the top of the Tower.

 

It also amuses me no end that Eiffel was born Bönickhausen and didn't change his name officially to Eiffel (after the mountains) until 1880.

Oh, I don't forget it; he was definitely in the Ghengis Kahn class - even if he didn't make as great a contribution to the human genome. I'm very glad not to have been born in those times. I was interested in the contrast between his sarcophagus and those of Foch, etc, in the floor above. I'd have burned the lot of them.

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Regarding Religious Education, I thoroughly enjoyed mine and it was at least a small irony that of the three students who topped Religious Doctrine (I was one) at the High School I attended, two were already confirmed atheists. .

Religious Education (comparative religions) would do a great deal of good breaking down the stupid and false distinctions between sects, schisms and belief systems.

 

Trouble is, you would have to look long and hard to find a religious person capable of objectivity in presenting the subject.

 

So, my vote is to forget religious instruction and teach pure ethics.

 

I am strongly inclined to the small "l" liberal side of politics but am blocked from supporting the spendthrift pinko union dominated ALP and the blinkered one-trick-pony Greens which basically leaves me with the LNP. If only Malcom had not fallen for that idiot Gretch's story we might have a Liberal Party that was truly liberal and a lot less conservative and heavily lent on by the religious far right. Ain't politics a bugger!

I have sometimes voted "none of the above", but in Maranoa it makes no difference.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Regarding Religious Education, I thoroughly enjoyed mine and it was at least a small irony that of the three students who topped Religious Doctrine (I was one) at the High School I attended, two were already confirmed atheists.

So, my vote is to forget religious instruction and teach pure ethics.

Ironically I ended up sending all 3 of mine to Trinity College (Beenleigh). After a couple of years with the first and a year with the second, I was unhappy with the general lack of discipline at Marsden High and we just sat down occasionally and reviewed the religious teachings and dissected the nonsense down to the moral and ethics.

 

but am blocked from supporting the spendthrift pinko union dominated ALP

Problem with the ALP is they forget the 'P' part, internal unity hasn't been their strong point for quite some time, very self destructive.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

My belief is that if the JC were to return to this Earth, he would be appalled beyond belief by what's happening in Palestine and by the obscene wealth of the Vatican and its Princes.

If they took the myth known as Jesus Christ seriously, then they know he's coming back, so one can only conclude that they themselves don't take it seriously.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Actually the religious folks almost got it right - when they say "God created man", the only thing wrong with that statement is that the subject and object are reversed.

The standard saying is that God created man in his image- and man sure returned the favour!

 

 

[AVOCET]

God created the earth in six days ?

 

Hebrew language says 6 yom's ( days ) not necessarily 24 hr day . Ref. strongs .

 

= 6 "periods of time " = makes more sence !

 

Flood over whole earth ?

 

Localised event ( known world )and only domestic animals on the ark . According to hebrew tex .

 

Adam first man ?

 

Adams son , Cain , fled to the city of Nod after slaying Able and took a wife

 

And no , i dont go to church !

 

Cristianity ,as most other belief systems , has lost the plot ( lukewarm , or fanatical , or take your pick .)

 

When the word says that the " uncompromisingly righteous will be saved , its no wonder no one wants a bar of it , or is able to live up to it .

 

Christianity just cherry pick the bits they think they want to comply with and disregard the weightier meat of the word .

 

This is why i believe christianity has no unity or strength , or wisdom , or knowledge , just a heap of superstition .

 

Its been my experiance , that most people dont like the nity grity of the word , because the they havent taken the time to thourghly study it ,

 

Im not talking theology ,which is just an interlectual exersise to manipulate the truth for religious gain and position .And those roabs and parrafenailier ,

 

No thanks ( reminds me of scribes and pharasies )

 

That 'll do .( im sure youll agree )

 

Mike

 

 

[revsmith]

The standard saying is that God created man in his image- and man sure returned the favour!

my first post

 

my belief, "religion"is where the follower "works" to attain salvation whatever the religion.

 

"Christianity "however is where the believer accepts the free gift of Christ's death on the cross for their sins for their salvation with nothing done by them except belief.

 

a VERY big difference

 

revsmith

 

 

[AVOCET]

my first postmy belief, "religion"is where the follower "works" to attain salvation whatever the religion.

 

"Christianity "however is where the believer accepts the free gift of Christ's death on the cross for their sins for their salvation with nothing done by them except belief.

 

a VERY big difference

 

revsmith

Why not give the whole message of christ as regards salvation ,

 

Mark 16 , baptisim ,

 

Acts 2 , recieving HG

 

Acts 19 ect ect .

 

Remember , signs follow beleivers ,

 

Believers enter the kingdom

 

Or have you like so many denomonations , gone soft on the truth , . As not to offend?

 

Mike

 

 

[bexrbetter]

my belief,

 

Hey Rev, out out curiosity, how come I can't eat prawns (Leviticus 11:10) but can eat babies (Deuteronomy 28:57)?

 

Kind of puts me in a dilemma of Biblic proportions on a Sunday arvo, eg; "hmm, throw fresh prawns on the BBQ or the new baby?"

 

Luckily a big voice booms down from the heavens "throw the prawns on", sounds a bit like Paul Hogan actually, probably Mick on the 4th floor having a lend of me.

 

 

[revsmith]

Why not give the whole message of christ as regards salvation ,Mark 16 , baptisim ,

 

Acts 2 , recieving HG

 

Acts 19 ect ect .

 

Remember , signs follow beleivers ,

 

Believers enter the kingdom

 

Or have you like so many denomonations , gone soft on the truth , . As not to offend?

 

Mike

 

john chapter 14 verse6

 

jesus said unto him ï am the way,the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

 

the thief dying on the cross with him was promised eternal life by belief ,luke 23 verse 43 nothing else needed, (no time anyhow)

 

all else is window dressing which can be misused to suggest control of a persons salvation.

 

 

[AVOCET]

john chapter 14 verse6jesus said unto him ï am the way,the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

 

the thief dying on the cross with him was promised eternal life by belief ,luke 23 verse 43 nothing else needed, (no time anyhow)

 

all else is window dressing which can be misused to suggest control of a persons salvation.

Man shall live by every word of God ,

 

Stop cherry picking the " pecieved " easy way ,

 

Remember , blind leaders of the blind .

 

Mike