Marty_d Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Well, no, not really. What is means is that some of us like to see evidence, rather than blindly believe what some psychologically suspect people tell us. You like to see real statistics, and real results, you frequently bring these things up, when talking regulating stuff, why shouldn't the same degree of proof be required for something that's supposed to be so important? I read a joke recently, which has a lot of truth to it..... Does anyone see the irony of Christians claiming to abhor gambling, then bet their whole life on there being a god and an afterlife? Not believing in a god, doesn't mean you don't believe in anything. Which leads to another laughable argument - "Pascal's wager" (or Religion Lite) - the premise being that either god exists, or he doesn't. If he does exist and you don't believe in him, then you're going to hell, whereas if he doesn't exist and you do believe in him, you've lost nothing anyway, so why not believe. Of course the logic falls down when you consider if there was a god he'd have to be more intelligent than the beings he created, so would see through this reasoning. (Plus, he'd be above petty things like requiring belief in himself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I believe in research, and research is not a scam, so you'll have to go keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I believe in research, and research is not a scam, so you'll have to go keep looking. That's reassuring to hear. I can safely assume then that you don't believe there is a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 It's a free country, you can assume whatever you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kununurra Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 A woman is standing in front of a mirror and says "does this dress make my bum look big" Hubby replies of course not its the chocolates that do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Chocolates make someone's bum look big?? Nev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 ... a god...would...be above petty things like requiring belief in himself). ...as well as bloody worshipping! Marty that's the bit I always have a problem with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 If he does exist and you don't believe in him, then you're going to hell, Knowing that there's a "Highway to Hell" and a "Stairway to Heaven", seems indicative where most of us are headed .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Today sometime quite literally a tree or a dog can be regarded as more valuable than a person, ^ this is why. Many people now worship nature. Also themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikky Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Today sometime quite literally a tree or a dog can be regarded as more valuable than a person, ^ this is why. Many people now worship nature. Also themselves. Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't people worshiping nature long before the concept of a single god? Not exactly a new trend. I can't see a problem with regarding nature as a sacred thing. In my opinion, things started to go downhill rapidly when we were given an excuse to dominate rather than respect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Today sometime quite literally a tree or a dog can be regarded as more valuable than a person, ^ this is why. Many people now worship nature. Also themselves. Hmmm, US spelling of "worshipped", wonder where that little bit of brainless twaddle was made. Couple of interesting things in it though. One is the similarity to the language of islam, which always seems to put a "blessed be his name" or something after any mention of allah - the other is that the writer feels the need to affirm their own statement by bunging an "amen" at the end. Insecurity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Knowing that there's a "Highway to Hell" and a "Stairway to Heaven", seems indicative where most of us are headed .... If there was a heaven and hell, you could bet your ar*se the most interesting people would be in hell. Imagine the boring smug bastards sitting around strumming harps for all eternity up in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Since science has been able to explain the phenomenons that early religion relied on, most of us have enough information to be able to figure out they're all scams, not just Christianity. So what's your scam? half of us don't believe the bernoulli effect of lift - the other half think it is majick - sometimes it is all down to blind faith and trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I like to whoreship occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I like to whoreship occasionally. Sounds a bit nautical. As long as it's not the ship going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 The video clip in this link is well worth watching: http://qr.ae/RTu2w7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I watched it and after a while I read it. You always learn something even if it is only that it's easy to waste time. Live like you have a year to live. No one can buy time. It's there and it's gone whether you use it or not, but if you only live for the moment you may deny yourself some "more developed" success. Longer term hedonism is better, because planning always gives a more substantial result.. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 ...Longer term hedonism is better, because planning always gives a more substantial result.. Nev ...trouble is Nev, that I've spent so much time planning and preparing for hedonism, by the time I get there I won't recognise it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Worship/whorship . . . Requires the mindless, unquestioning adoration of something beyond comprehension. People do it because people before them did it and told others they must do it. Might have been useful in suppressing scientific curiosity in the intellectually challenged 3000 years ago but serves no use in the 21st century other than giving people who live at the top of a pyramid scheme what they crave, viz., power and wealth and with that status. The world would be such a better place if all religion disappeared and everybody lived by logically deducible ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 But it would be dull beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 But it would be dull beyond belief. Have you been to a church service? Not exactly interesting. The happy clappies try to jazz it up a little but I'd rather go somewhere you could have a drink while listening to the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I've heard that Atheist "churches" have sprung up to provide the social element you mention. Music, beer, food. comeraderie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I've heard that Atheist "churches" have sprung up to provide the social element you mention. Music, beer, food. comeraderie. The "Public Unabashed Bonding" group? PUB for short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Knowing that there's a "Highway to Hell" and a "Stairway to Heaven", seems indicative where most of us are headed .... That is interesting, because that is just what Jesus said (as recorded in Matthew chapter 7 verses 13 and 14): "Enter ye in at the strait (= narrow) gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Have you been to a church service? Not exactly interesting. The happy clappies try to jazz it up a little but I'd rather go somewhere you could have a drink while listening to the band. See - boring and unimaginative. Who said anything about going to a church service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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