What about Joe?

[onetrack]

Joes lost it, his age deterioration has started, and there's no going back. I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see him diagnosed shortly with some disease that is affecting his mental acuity.

[facthunter]

He's also always been a stutterer.. Being honest makes it easier for him. It doesn't require a long memory. Also Trump only KNOWS about 20 words. Uses the Royal Plural and claps himself.. Nev.

[willedoo]

Re: Trump's habit of playing the air accordion when speaking. Has anyone seen the videos where they have shopped in an accordion to fit his weird hand gestures. Most of the videos were done back when he was president.

 

 

[onetrack]

He's playing the BS accordion, it only produces hot air.

[willedoo]

This is the New York Post taking the p*ss out of Biden, post debate and before he dropped out of the race. Jill Biden did an interview for Vogue which came out around the same time as the debate.

 

 

[willedoo]

Joe Biden struggles with walking, but I saw a video of him on his pushbike the other day and he's quite good and strong on it. I think he needs a hand to get on and off it but once he's on there he's a different man.

[willedoo]

What a scumb*g. Trump's Crooked Joe Biden tag was right after all. After previous promises not to pardon his son Hunter who is awaiting sentencing on tax evasion, he's gone and done it. To make matters worse, he's taken a leaf out of Trump's book and has called the charges against his son politically motivated. Good riddance Joe Biden, your time is up.

[rgmwa]

It's a pretty poor effort after all his previous promises not to pardon him. He's now on a par with Trump, as far as credibility is concerned. Maybe he was hoping nobody would notice.

[willedoo]

There will probably be a bit of whataboutism involved, but the coping mechanism of 'but Trump's worse' doesn't excuse Biden for ethically appalling behavior. I agree it puts him on a par with Trump on credibility. His legacy will be of a weak president who trashed what's left of his reputation in the last weeks of office. In years to come, this will be what people remember about him, not any good he might have done.

[facthunter]

Bloody rubbish . The whole attack on Hunter was to GET AT Biden. IF He wasn't Bidens son, nothing would have happened. That Family have suffered unbelievable tragedies and it's a LOW act to have brought the Charges.. Joe is a decent bloke and always was.  Trump on the other hand Boasted HE  could get away with Murder in broad daylight. There's NO comparison between the two People.  Nev

[willedoo]

12 minutes ago, facthunter said:

The whole attack on Hunter was to GET AT Biden.

If that's case it's the U.S. Department of Justice that are the crooks. If it was all BS to get at Biden, why did Hunter plead guilty?

 

https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-convicted-three-felony-tax-offenses-and-six-misdemeanor-tax-offenses

 

 

 

[facthunter]

Why did the FBI open files on Hillary' a few days before the election, which surprised observers  and came to nothing?   Nev

[willedoo]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

Why did the FBI open files on Hillary' a few days before the election, which surprised observers  and came to nothing?   Nev

What's Clinton got to do with Hunter Biden's guilt or innocence. I'm presuming guilt as he pleaded guilty.  If he was innocent and pleaded guilty, that would be a bit unusual.

[facthunter]

In  Response to your  comment about the department of Justice. Everyone knows Hunter Biden went through a hard time with good reason if you are familiar with  the extent of the Family tragedy... Any how compared with the People Trump will Pardon (including himself) I still don't see Bidens act as comparable. It's understandable he would care for HIS Son.. Nev

[willedoo]

The act of pardoning his son shouldn't have to be comparable. It can be viewed on it's own from the point of view of Biden's own integrity. His son was charged with firearm offences and tax evasion. He pleaded guilty and was convicted. Biden repeatedly said he wouldn't pardon him. Biden has now pardoned him. That's the issue. He's put his son above the law after saying he wouldn't. Forget about what Trump's done or someone did to Clinton for a minute. This is what Biden's done.

 

We have to remember they are politicians. Biden might have been genuine at the time he said he wouldn't pardon his son for ethical reasons. Or he might have held that position as he intended running for another term and thought it would be politically damaging to pardon him. Only he and his advisors would know the answer to that. Now that he's retiring he's got nothing to lose, so it looks like he's swapping reputation for his son's benefit. That's understandable but still doesn't make it right.

[facthunter]

Politician families should be off limits with politically motivated actions. In American Politics I'd do the same for My kid in the same circumstances. People will think what they will. The Media shapes what most know and Democrats cop it from all sides   being accused of causing all manner of things . You can be black and white and judgemental  that's your choice but there is a context to all this and let those without sin, cast the first stone as the good book says.  Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

The justice department's policy is to not pursue criminal proceedings against a sitting president. So much for equality of the law.

 

US courts and judges are politically appointed. The fact Biden didn't interfere with the process speaks volumes.

 

I am not entirely defending Biden, but how many of us would act differently in his shoes compared to acting differently to what Trump has done and is likely to do

Edited December 2 by Jerry_Atrick

[rgmwa]

1 hour ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

I am not entirely defending Biden, but how many of us would act differently in his shoes compared to acting differently to what Trump has done and is likely to do

As has been said, Biden is a decent guy and in no way comparable to Trump in terms of his ethics, except on this issue where he did what he always said he wouldn't do.

 

No doubt the Republicans went after Hunter Biden hoping to get to Joe, and he certainly had drug issues which got him into trouble, but at the end of the day Joe stayed above it and Hunter pleaded guilty as charged. That should have been the end of it.

 

If he wasn't the president's son, and the president had not caved at the end of the day, he wouldn't have got this pardon, and that's the problem.

 

Trump of course would be happy to pre-emptively pardon Don Jr just in case he ever committed any crimes. Half of Trump's cabinet picks have criminal records, including Trump himself, so by comparison Joe is a comparative saint despite this late embarrassing backflip.

 

[facthunter]

Nothing is certain under Trump. Breaching trade agreements with Potentially every body is enormous over reach of Power and Putinesque in manner. Who can ever trust such People?  Both MEN?? are Bullies by nature.    Isn't your Word your Bond if you have any Honour?  Nev

[rgmwa]

The worst part about Joe's backflip and claiming that Hunter's prosecution was politically motivated is that it echoes exactly what Trump keeps saying. Trump is already calling for Joe to pardon the J6 `political prisoners' as well.

[facthunter]

Clever tactic but IF  Trump  wants it, HE should Own it.  The  (Maybe LAST) Election is over. HE has  the Mandate as he promised to do it prior to the election. happening.  Nev

[old man emu]

That concept of a political mandate is an odd thing. If in an election a person tells the voters, "If elected, I'll .....(outlines what will be done)", and 50% + 1 of the voters vote for that person, surely, in a democracy where "majority rules", the person can do what was promised. After all, a mandate is the authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate winning an election.

 

Interestingly, according to a bit of data I found using "2024 us election votes" as the enquiry wording in Google, Trump got 50% of the vote, Harris 48.4% and Others got the remaining 1.6%. If Trump got exactly 50%, does he have a mandate? He won the election due to the gerrymander of the Electoral College, as he did in 2016 when Clinton got 48% of the vote and Trump got 45.9%.

 

NOTE: I could not get a URL for the result of my Google search, but if you use the same words, you should get the same result.

 

[willedoo]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Isn't your Word your Bond if you have any Honour?  Nev

It should be, but doesn't apply to politicians apparently. Joe's word doesn't seem to mean much otherwise he would have stuck to what he's said on several occasions and not pardoned his son.

[pmccarthy]

Biden was an ineffectual president who allowed events around the world to spiral out of control as foreign leaders realised what he was. I thought he was at least honest, but now that is gone. He will be remembered as one of the worst presidents ever.

[facthunter]

Worse than Bush and Reagan?.  Nev