fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The feeling on the street is that Newman could turn Indi around, go from being a basket case to a shining example of the Cando way. Get on the bus or get left behind.
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Even Alan Jones doesn't make it down here. Why is Indi a basket case? They tried everything and still an independent got in Nev
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Historic Turnaround in Queensland not appropriate? From 7 total,growing to 9 and getting 44 approx is not a historic turnaround, for a first term government. It will do me for a historic turnaround till a better one comes along. Nev
Teckair Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Yeah you really live high on the Hog on a disability pension. Probably most people with disabilities suffer from acute depression as there are few opportunities for them to get employment that will enable them to survive on the money paid. Being demonised by a government must thrill them to the core too." Choose to be poor." what a disgraceful statement from a PM who claims 240 plus dollars a day when on pollie rides paid by the taxpayer. Nev I agree life on the disability pension would not be great but it is still the favored option by some who are not disabled.
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 By "Some " it may be and that can be irritating, but don't you condemn them all if you aren't careful and that would be an injustice. Nev.
fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I agree life on the disability pension would not be great but it is still the favored option by some who are not disabled. Christ what an idiot
rankamateur Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I agree life on the disability pension would not be great but it is still the favored option by some who are not disabled. Considerably more lucrative than Newstart and they don't hound the poor sods as much to look for a job!
rankamateur Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Christ what an idiot No , this is not the atheist knowledge thread!
SDQDI Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 By "Some " it may be and that can be irritating, but don't you condemn them all if you aren't careful and that would be an injustice. Nev. Dead right nev. I agree with Teck but we can't punish those that truly need the support. You will often find the ones most disappointed with bludgers are the ones who genuinely could be getting the benefit but instead go out of their way to find employment. It is disheartening though to see the system being rorted but where do you draw the line? Personally I have always wondered why a mandatory form of national service wasn't brought in for those who have been on unemployment benefits for an extended length of time, it wouldn't have to be on the frontline of the armed forces but surely there would be a way of utilising them in support positions? Further to that I wonder how a optional 2 year national service would be accepted by those forced to stay in school till year 12 if they haven't got a job? Going on to year 12 for some of us is a waste of time (not meaning to cause offence, I personally got out after yr10 to work at home) and maybe the option of a two year stint in the defence force would be accepted by some?
Old Koreelah Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 ...We must consider the re-introduction of Tariffs to encourage the re-establishment of manufacturing in Australia... I broadly agree OME, but re-introducing protection for our manufacturing sector would cost us more than the benefit- and we'd be punished by our trading partners. Upskilling our people and supporting sunrise industries is the key. Letting academics take over training is a bad move. Education and job-training are two different animals. ...We should abandon the idea that university level education is required for everybody. We have let this idea turn the workplace structure upside down. We are seeking a society that looks like an upturned pyramid where the majority who have completed higher education are supported by a a small group with lower level education, but not illiterate, who do the producing. It is impossible to balance a pyramid on its pointy end. We should return to the societal structure we had during the 20th Century when the pyramid was sitting stably on its broad base... That model may have applied to individual nations before the age of mass trade. Nations barely exist anymore; our world is increasingly run by global corporations, so the pyramid's base is increasingly in China, Bangladesh, etc. ...Perhaps we Baby Boomers have visited a curse pon our children and our children's children. Old Man Emu I fear you are right. Living standards and life expectancy have probably peaked in our lifetime. The best we can do is stop selling the farm and give our kids the skills to navigate their world.
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 And it needs an exclamation mark too, or perhaps two. Nev
SDQDI Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Considerably more lucrative than Newstart and they don't hound the poor sods as much to look for a job! And if they can have their partner on a carers pension it is even more so. I in no way want to take away from people who genuinely need this support and a genuine carer is one of our countries most undervalued asset. But when these others are as healthy as me (except when under the influence of drugs) and are able to buy as many toys for their children as I can and get to spend all day with them while I am out working it frustrates me no end, add to this the attitude that the world owes them all of that and more and it's a worry. Just to reiterate, I think that people with true disabilities (physical or mental) and their carers should be supported better than they already are BUT those who are along for the free ride, at not only our expense but at the expense of the real disabled community, frustrate me. The trouble is you can't weed them out without bringing further pain on the others...
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The real economics of getting rid of Holden and Ford , and consequently Toyota didn't make sense unless driven by an ideology. Since the dollar has now dropped the figures are even more convincing. The return on the money being asked for was between 9 and 19 dollars per $ back then. with everthing taken into acount. These were publicly available figures. There is a loss of jobs of close to 200,000 with flow on and a loss of technology at the level of manufacturing which is not a blacksmith with a forge kind of stuff I'm informed there are NO countries that don't support their car industries at a level way above our level. China by manipulating it's currency can put any body out of business on price. I wonder if it was a condition of signing an FTA with the recent group. in Asia. If there were not some issues with signing those FTA's Labor would have done it long ago The $800,000 each bullett proof BMW's for the Canberra Pollies, were much dearer than the quote by Holden and to an equal specification. This has been kept rather quiet. Nev
fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 You guys know how easy the system is to defraud, now if you guys could pull some strings and get my mum a disability parking permit that would be awesome. She can barely walk these days but the government won't give her one.
fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 So its Springborg and John Paul Langbroek They didn't elect a Premier, they elected an Opposition Leader.
turboplanner Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The feeling on the street is that Newman could turn Indi around, go from being a basket case to a shining example of the Cando way. Get on the bus or get left behind. What a load of rubbish! I'm here on the streets of Indi, and it certainly doesn't need any turning around or help from Qeenslanders.
fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The nationals are desperate, really desperate
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 They used to exert power here in Vic well above what their vote count would merit. Like the Anthony/ Budd? dynasty near New England. Tony Windsor would know all about that THEY don't take defectors too kindly. I won't miss them the system has outgrown them. Both major parties need to rename them selves. Neither name makes sense. Nev
Marty_d Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 I broadly agree OME, but re-introducing protection for our manufacturing sector would cost us more than the benefit- and we'd be punished by our trading partners. Upskilling our people and supporting sunrise industries is the key.Letting academics take over training is a bad move. Education and job-training are two different animals. That model may have applied to individual nations before the age of mass trade. Nations barely exist anymore; our world is increasingly run by global corporations, so the pyramid's base is increasingly in China, Bangladesh, etc. I fear you are right. Living standards and life expectancy have probably peaked in our lifetime. The best we can do is stop selling the farm and give our kids the skills to navigate their world. The best move would be to make TAFE relevant again. Closer partnerships with the businesses that will be employing graduates - how hard is it to get industry input into the syllabus? Listening to an interview with one employer recently, said they took on unpaid interns instead of TAFE graduates because the training received at TAFE in no way prepared the person for the job.
facthunter Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 ft the disability thing for parking is handled at Local Council level here Vic. Unpaid interns. How do they avoid starvation? Tafe has a place. You just need teachers who are trained properly and a proper course. Many university degrees are next to worthless. They just don't get you a job .Nev
dazza 38 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 For clarity, when I say a over acheiver, I do not mean millionaires ect. I mean a person who is a wage earner, who has constantly tried to bettered themselves by doing work related courses and have been promoted through the years.
fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 like hardly anyone in Australia tries to improve their lot eh?
dazza 38 Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 What i'm getting at is that every dollar earnt over $80 000 , it is taxed at 37 cents in the dollar. The average income earner is paying around $25 000 to $30 000 in tax. Which IMO is BS. Like I said above, welfare should be used for people who have worked and paid taxes but then for some unfortunate reason, have lost their job due to redundancies or medical issues ect, it also should be and is also used for genuine people to get by while they look for a first job, another job and retraining ect. It should not be abused by plebs who have never worked a day in their life, but are quite happy to punch out babies to receive more welfare.
fly_tornado Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 Who's actually advocating that though? Labor right
octave Posted February 7, 2015 Posted February 7, 2015 The average income earner is paying around $25 000 to $30 000 in tax. Which IMO is BS. the average income in Victoria is $71765 the tax on this is $16328 including medicare and excluding tax deductions.
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