Kiss your arxe goodbye…

[pmccarthy]

Topic: We are witnessing the end of the world as we knew it. 

Mother Earth has found a way to solve the human population problem. The virus will evolve faster and in more ways than we can combat. The global population will fall substantially and many things we have taken for granted will no longer be possible. Like people at the beginning of a long war, we have difficulty imagining how our lives will change.

Discuss. 

[Jerry_Atrick]

I need a new arse, anyway..

 

Apart from an apocolyptic event, market forces will save us.. they always do...

 

 

[Marty_d]

2 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

Topic: We are witnessing the end of the world as we knew it. 

Mother Earth has found a way to solve the human population problem. The virus will evolve faster and in more ways than we can combat. The global population will fall substantially and many things we have taken for granted will no longer be possible. Like people at the beginning of a long war, we have difficulty imagining how our lives will change.

Discuss. 

Sorry, I laughed because you're concerned about this virus causing the end of the world as we know it, and not at all concerned about the far more devastating impacts of climate change if we don't limit warming.

[onetrack]

The virus will have no more impact on the human population than any major previous war. A lot of people have died, for sure - including quite a number of relatively healthy people. But the majority that have died from the virus have had major underlying health problems - overweight, diabetic or pre-diabetic, weak respiratory systems, extreme old age and the inability to cope with pneumonial-like complaints (pneumonia used to be called "the old peoples friend" for the way the sufferers just lapsed into unconsciousness and simply slipped away).

 

Homo sapiens will once again prove it is the dominant (if not the domineering) species on Earth, and our numbers will only suffer a relatively small check and the worlds population will continue to increase until something else comes along to wipe out more multiple millions. I'll wager that a shortage of good useable water supplies worldwide, will be the next crisis.

[nomadpete]

Agreed, onetrack.

I'm putting another tank in this summer.

[nomadpete]

There are multitudes of possible doomsday scenarios.

And many are actual certainties but have such rubbery timescales that reduce their probabilities of happening in my lifetime.

 

In my relatively few remaining years, I expect to see.....

 

Famine - a couple of successive dry/hot seasons are pretty certain. Food security industry that works on 'just in time' is destined to suffer a supply gap.

 

Thirst - whether by climate variation or simple failure of snow that feeds major waterways that presently supply millions of people.

 

Pestilence - although our politicians and media spin doctors try to make out that coronavirus is radical, novel, unprecedented, there will always be diseases developing. Well, obvious to those of us who don't doubt evolution.

Timeline - unknown. Probability - guaranteed.

 

Kiss my ass goodbye? No, not really. Although these events may cause many deaths worldwide, they are only an inconvenience to those of us who take control of our own essential needs.

[nomadpete]

My wife says (and who am I to disagree?)

Coronavirus is just mother nature giving us a mummy slap.

 

If we don't shape up she's going to get serious.

Edited August 12, 2021 by nomadpete

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, nomadpete said:

Pestilence - although our politicians and media spin doctors....

Oh, I thought you were referringto them as petilence. Have been living with a lot worse that COVID for years...

[pmccarthy]

The more Covid becomes endemic, the more opportunities it has to mutate into something truly nasty. If it has the greatest impact in countries with high birth rates, and this is plausible, then the overall rate of growth of global population will fall dramatically or even reverse into a decline. Once the decline begins it will continue due to low birth rates in wealthier countries including China and Japan. Taking the long view of history, some may view this as a good thing.

[Yenn]

So what is your forecast?

[spacesailor]

" some may see this as a good thing ".

Those people l presume also think the government has got the wrong outlook on vaccination.

Saving the old, vulnerable, and infirm !, should have been the last on the list.

The young and productive, should have been First priority.

Those that got their Inheritance sooner than expected.

Should be thankful of those who wished for this POPULATION DECLiNE.

Dammed old  spacesailor

[pmccarthy]

Something will auto-correct the humans sooner or later, I reckon this has an even chance.

[Fliteright]

We need another ice age anyway! Mankind will only be here for less than a blink of a eye in the planets evolution. I'm not a subscriber to this BS global warming crap but it sure does create a lot hysteria & jobs:-) The virus is just passing thru, we kill each other thru other methods far more than this flu bug will ever do!

[Bruce Tuncks]

Nah, the world population is going up every day. But resource depletion and climate change may help with the overpopulation problem, so this would be a good thing.

There used to be a saying about how cockroaches would inherit the world....  well, the fact is, humans can actually feast on cockroaches! It will be real difficult to make us go extinct.

 

[pmccarthy]

If I have to eat cockroaches I will go extinct.

[old man emu]

On 12/08/2021 at 4:46 PM, pmccarthy said:

Topic: We are witnessing the end of the world as we knew it. Mother Earth has found a way to solve the human population problem. The virus will evolve faster and in more ways than we can combat. The global population will fall substantially and many things we have taken for granted will no longer be possible. Like people at the beginning of a long war, we have difficulty imagining how our lives will change.

Discuss. 

The current pandemic, and the minor epidemics of the early 21st Century has many parallels with the infamous Black Death that raged across Asia and Europe from 1346 to 1351. While the disease agent of the Black Death was a bacteria, Yersinia pestis. COVID is caused by a virus. Therefore, antibiotics don't stop COVID. They can help prevent secondary disease resulting from a immune system weakened by dealing with the virus.

 

Research has found that, Y pestis has been with us since neolithic times. It is thought to have originated in the Cucuteni–Trypillia culture , also known as the Tripolye culture, is a Neolithic–Eneolithic

archaeological culture (c. 5500 to 2750 BCE) of Eastern Europe. It extended from the Carpathian Mountains to the Dniester and Dnieper regions, centred on modern-day Moldova and covering substantial parts of western Ukraine and north-eastern Romania. 

 

The strain said to be responsible for the 12th Century pandemic emerged in Mongolia. It is possibly passed to humans by a tarabagan, a type of marmot.

When it got to Europe, three strains had evolved, and each moved through different parts of Europe, but mainly with the same results. With the knowledge we have of the unimaginable numbers of individual pathogenic bacteria or viruses, we can expect that, given the shortness of their generations, or replication rates, these micro-organisms will mutate into different strains rapidly. This means that combatting them with vaccines will always be closing the gate after the horse has bolted. Unless, of course the vaccine is aimed at generating an immune response to some immutable feature of micro-organism.

 

QUESTION:

Will this essay go towards the end-of year assessment?

 

In comparison to the 12th Century Black Plague, modern immunology has slowed the spread of COVID to walking pace. Therefore, we will not see the 60% drop in total population in a short period that was seen in the 12th Century. 

 

With the Black Death considered safely behind them, the people of Europe faced a changed society. The combination of the massive death rate and the numbers of survivors fleeing their homes sent entrenched social and economic systems spiralling. It became easier to get work for better wages and the average standard of living rose. Significant losses within older intellectual communities brought on an unprecedented opportunity for new ideas and art concepts to take hold, directly leading to the Renaissance and a more youthful, enlightened period of human history. At the same time the feudal system of Europe broke down, despite the aristocracy trying to pass laws preventing any further political or economic rise by the peasants. 

 

If we in the 21st Century care to use our great invention, the Internet, to learn what our ancestors did to cope with the effects of the Black Death, and indeed many wars and invasions, then knowing that our lives will be changed by the pandemic can be taken for granted. What could cause some head-scratching is the imagining of where the global society go in the next 100 years. Remember 9/11? Don't you agree that that event changed society from what it was in the 1990's to what it is today?

[facthunter]

  It was an outrageous act but quite clever effective and cheap. Bin Laden is the 7th child of a wealthy Saudi but can't stand the US presence and influence  there. How they set it up undetected and even trained the pilots there is something hard to believe. BUSH is another one of these "GOD speaks through my " Lips" people and names  a  rocket Crusader. and starts unwinnable wars with his war monger govt with an "OUR OIL' attitude to the Middle east..Nev 

[nomadpete]

6 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

If I have to eat cockroaches I will go extinct.

When you are really hungry, PMcC,  everything is palatable.

[nomadpete]

I eagerly awAit the end of yr assessment. Both the MSM one as a source of amusement, and my personal one after the trail of facts emerge.

 

OME, your comparison between the black death plague and our present rather mild pandemic, overlooks the fact that the black death had a substantially more successful mortality rate. So, for the present pandemic, the relatively low death rate might explain the tardiness of modern people when it comes to embracing  simple control methods. people just aren't taking it seriously. This pandemic didn't have to be a national emergency if only we all obeyed the basic simple controls.... wash often, avoid crowds, keep social distance and stop excessive travel.

 

Furthermore it doesn't create a noticeable rebalancing of the excessive population.

 

If or when a serious pandemic emerges (easily transmissible and high mortality rate), we should see some serious impacts upon the human populace.

Edited August 30, 2021 by nomadpete

[Bruce Tuncks]

There was a lugger about 120 years ago where they had some passengers and a cockroach plague aboard.

They beached the lugger near Broome and cut a hole in the bottom so the high tide would flood it.

Great rafts of cockroaches drifted to shore on the NW wind.

The local aborigines had a great feast and a corroboree  as a result.

So our species can not only eat cockroaches, we can party on them.

[old man emu]

13 hours ago, nomadpete said:

 

OME, your comparison between the black death plague and our present rather mild pandemic, overlooks the fact that the black death had a substantially more successful mortality rate. So, for the present pandemic, the relatively low death rate might explain the tardiness of modern people when it comes to embracing  simple control methods.

Why did it have a higher mortality rate?

1.  It is caused by a bacteria, which is harder for the body's immune system to combat.

2. The initial infection was caused by the injection of bacteria into the blood stream by fleas, rat or human, it doesn't matter, except perhaps there were more human fleas in contact with humans than rat fleas.

3. It is believed that while the initial deaths were cause by what might call poisoning of the blood and invasion of the lymph glands - hence  the appearance of buboes and bruises - once the bacteria got to the lungs the spread was through ejection in coughs. Hence there were two stages of the Black Death - first Bubonic plague then Pneumonic plague. Once Pneumonic plague kicked off  the bacteria was able to infect so many more people than ever could fleas. That's what we are seeing with COVID, SARS, Influenza and the Common Cold.

4. It is said that lack of hygiene was a big factor. That equated filth with rats. But as I said, it is more likely that the flea involved was the human flea, not the rat flea. The idea that rats were involved is likely to be discounted because there are no written records or archaeological evidence (bones) that show a massive dying off of rats at the same time. Rats die from this bacteria as well. 

5. Finally, there is the lack of knowledge about the causes of disease. As a result of this deficiency, the people fell back on what had supported them in dealing with disaster before - religion. There were two ways this was exhibited. Probably the nicest way was to see the Plague as punishment from God, so the only way to atone for whatever sin was being punished was to pray for forgiveness. The ugly way was also caused by religion. The Jews had crucified Christ. The Jews were the enemy of Christianity. The Jews caused the plague.  Kill the Jews. Mid-11th Century or mid-20th Century, Nothing changed.

6. The relatively low death rate in comparison to the total number of infected persons would most likely indicate that COVID is not as virulent as Y. pestis , the plague bacteria.

 

Y. pestis is still present in the world

 

"Sylvatic" means relating to or denoting certain diseases when contracted by wild animals, and the pathogens causing them.

[spacesailor]

But, a lot of suvivers built an immunity to other contagious diseases, as shown by dna samplings.

So a medical jurnal says.

It also said those people would have a better chance of surviving  the aids virus.

Thats from a long time ago, so take with a little leeway  ( salt ).

spacesailor

 

[pmccarthy]

If you get get COVID immunity by eating cockroaches, would you do it?

 

[octave]

https://eroaches.com/eating-roaches/

 

[facthunter]

Not a lot different to a prawn or small  lobster. There's a lot you'd eat if you were hungry enough. It's the processed fat sugar salt combo's you shouldn't eat. What's in your sausages or meat pie? Chooks and cattle fattened by feeding with antibiotics.. The Bogong moths are supposed to be especially nutritious..  Nev