The Nats

[Yenn]

We hear that the National Party are meeting to decide if they will go along with the Libs proposal to endorse the zero emissions by 2050 for the upcoming meeting.

I don't know when Morrison came to endorse the zero emissions, but it seemed to me it was thrust upon him by Friedenberg when Morrison was out of the country.

It looks as if the Nats under Barnaby just want to cause strife. What would happen if the Libs said "Do what you like but we are going for zero"

Would that result in the demise of the Morrison government? Labor could hardly get the upper hand if the Libs are going along with their proposals.

What would happen to the Nats if they were on their own? Would they try to form a coalition with the Labor party? They could of course try to join with the Greens, but I can't see that happening.

I doubt that Morrison would have the nerve to cut them adrift and I can't see the Nats backing down. So what is going to happen?

[Dax]

The libs may support zero by 2050, but by that time it will be out of humans control and even though it seems most governments are all for zero emissions, all countries are increasing emissions. All the parties are hoping it will all go away and as 2050 is 40 years away, they can continue as they are and just do a little bit. We have to remember, we knew all about this in the 1970's, every party has had the opportunity to turn things around, yet all they've done is the opposite. Relying on their word, is like saying that cliff falling down on you is an illusion.

 

I think the next election will be a debacle as it's becoming clear the people are so confused by the bizarre approach to the future, they may well vote lots of independents in and if that doesn't happen, then we are stuffed big time.

 

If the Nats were on their own and not part of the coalition, they would be useless and not have a say in anything, plus I expect they would lose a few seats as lib pre4ferences get them across the line in most cases.

[onetrack]

Barnaby Joyce is rapidly going to become a pariah, even if he isn't already one. The man is an embarrassment to the Nation with his caveman approach to everything. He'd have us all go back to coal fires and steam trains, if he could.

The Nats and Libs are heading for a serious fracturing of their stance as regards emissions. The Nats still live in the 1950's and want to return the Nation to that era.

[nomadpete]

I think that Mr Scotty-from-Misinformation is playing a blame deflection game. He is really pro coal, anti emission reduction. But he wants to win the anti fossil fuel votes by appearing to want to align Australia with the other nations. At the moment, he can sit back and keep dragging the chain, and avoid looking backward by blaming it all on the Nationals blackmailing him.

Thats just my theory.

Lets see how it unfolds.

[Dax]

1 hour ago, nomadpete said:

I think that Mr Scotty-from-Misinformation is playing a blame deflection game. He is really pro coal, anti emission reduction. But he wants to win the anti fossil fuel votes by appearing to want to align Australia with the other nations. At the moment, he can sit back and keep dragging the chain, and avoid looking backward by blaming it all on the Nationals blackmailing him.

Thats just my theory.

Lets see how it unfolds.

There's a federal election next year, for the libs to have any hope of retaining control, they have to make out they are for cutting emissions. Yet they are pushing more coal mines, generation systems and land clearing, whi8lat doing absolutely nothing about emissions and or alternatives. Labors track record is just as horrible and they have said they won't release their policies until close to the elections.

 

Anyone get the impression  it's all about them and not the people wishes, the future or emissions reduction. The Nats couldn't car less about the people, their only interest is retaining the noose around the neck of the libs.

[facthunter]

The NATs will retain their seats with the LOOT going to themselves and their mates. It's extortion. Keith Pitt wanted 250 BILLION. Them's big bikkies Man. Farmers will get punitive tariffs on their exports and money will be more expensive to borrow. The Rest of the World KNOWS what OUR GOVERNMENT is up to even if WE don't bother to think about it. Nev

[willedoo]

5 hours ago, Yenn said:

What would happen to the Nats if they were on their own?

Simple answer to that. No coalition = Labor government forever.

[Marty_d]

2 hours ago, facthunter said:

The NATs will retain their seats with the LOOT going to themselves and their mates. It's extortion. Keith Pitt wanted 250 BILLION. Them's big bikkies Man. Farmers will get punitive tariffs on their exports and money will be more expensive to borrow. The Rest of the World KNOWS what OUR GOVERNMENT is up to even if WE don't bother to think about it. Nev

He not only wanted 250 Billion, he wanted it to subsidise the fossil fuel industry.  I thought these right wing nut jobs were capitalists, but it seems that when the market sees there's no future in coal and turns off the tap, they turn into rabid socialists and want to support millionaires (and Chinese-owned companies) with taxpayer dollars.

 

Imagine what you could do with the social security system, education, hospitals, doctors in regional areas, the environment, research grants, and a whole lot of other stuff that actually benefits all PEOPLE rather than a few rich shareholders, with a quarter of a trillion dollars.

 

The Nats will find themselves increasingly isolated after this.  Who are they representing?  They've always said they're the party who represents farmers, but even the National Farming Federation endorses net zero by 2050, and the Nats won't even meet with them.  So as far as I can see, half of them are a bunch of lying hypocrites and perhaps the other half should consider running as independents to avoid being tarred with the same brush. 

[facthunter]

They have obviously been bought by coal and gas. There's no other answer. Nev

[Old Koreelah]

When was the last time the Nats supported farmers instead of coal miners?

Some of their most ardent climate deniers have family interests in big coal mines.  

 

[Old Koreelah]

As with any losing arguement, we’re seeing increasingly desperate statements coming from the diminishing ranks of coal defenders:

 

[Old Koreelah]

The British Empire was also built on sailors press-ganged onto ships, rum rations, the lash, brutal slavery and children working down those coal mines. I bet this bloke would have campaigned to retain all of those.

[facthunter]

And pinching al the gold in India plus more in China. (opium wars.   British EMPIRE started with PIRATES who were knighted and Colonies where they obtained stuff cheap.  4 or 5 in the NATS holding the country to ransom. A sad time for democracy. Money votes in Morrisons Australia. The voter is taken for a fool and fed slogans. Nev

[onetrack]

The British Empire was built on the resources plundered from the colonies - important and valuable metals; iron, tin, copper, silver, gold from America, Africa, India and Australia. The British plundered the colonies stocks of all types of valuable timber, for everything from building materials to building British docks and ships. The British Navy was the largest in the world, and it required massive amounts of resources to construct and run.

British industry relied on massive supplies of cotton, tobacco, spices, wool, indigo, rice, grains and other foodstuffs from the colonies, that they could make huge profits on. The British Empire ruled much of the worlds finances.

The British Empire perfected piracy, robbing as many ships of other "enemy" nations on the high seas, as it could. They did this with impunity.

I guess not a lot has changed in 500 years, just substitute "global corporations" today, for "British Empire". Those global corporations tell countries what to do, or simply ignore a countries demands and laws, and bypass the country if it's not "amenable" to the all-encompassing control and profits of the global corporation. And of course, paying taxes is optional for the global corporations.

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by onetrack

[facthunter]

Big Equity firms and Corporations by using bad trade agreements are the NEW Colonisers. Nev

[Marty_d]

15 hours ago, facthunter said:

They have obviously been bought by coal and gas. There's no other answer. Nev

Looks like you were right Nev...

 

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/10/20/holding-the-country-ransom-while-owning-mining-shares-guess-who/?utm_source=pushengage&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=pn

[Old Koreelah]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

The British Empire was built on the resources plundered from the colonies…

…and destroying processing and manufacturing in those new colonies, to remove competition for British factories. Our history books never tell us about the sophisticated industries in India and Africa before the Poms came along.

 

[facthunter]

Are YOU surprised?  LITTLE tobe PROUD of. Jovce has land in the Pilliga near to a Santos holding and probably the inland Rail will go through it. The IR is also linked to the port of Gladstone by an important line for Ore.  Every dam anywhere near mount ISA has too high an evaporation rate to work. They are on the Leichardt river and none are (or will be) deep enough to balance the evaporation issue.  Nev 

[facthunter]

Heaps of prospective cotton growers are enthusiastic about the supposed VAST amounts of water available in the NT from precipitation. It's a complete furphy.  Some wet  seasons don't materialise. Hot dry air will dry a shirt in about 1/2 an hour or less. Nev

[old man emu]

Now it appears that the Nats are all for zero emissions by 2050. That will let the Libs trumpet their enviro-friendly coat change in time to dupe the masses come next election. Mind you, the Nats' support will have to be bought off by a multitude of concessions. 

 

But is planning to complete something by 2050 just pie in the sky? That's a tad over 25 years away. And 25 years ago, the Internet started to take off. The Internet's takeover of the global communication landscape was rapid in historical terms: it only communicated 1% of the information flowing through two-way telecommunications networks in the year 1993, 51% by 2000, and more than 97% of the telecommunicated information by 2007. That's half of 25 years to go from nothing to everything. 

 

Surely carbon dioxide control technology can at least keep up with that rate.

 

[nomadpete]

Does anybody seriously believe that any government are about to really put meaningful policies in place, right now, to help some other politician reap the credit for outcomes 25 years in the future? We can't get them to keep a promise for even one election cycle. And 25 years is eight election cycles!

 

Whatever vacuous promises we hear in the pre election drumbeating, its unlikely to have much real effect on what eventuates.

 

I'm hoping you are being sarcastic.

Edited October 23, 2021 by nomadpete

[Yenn]

The LNP have the only policies that will get Australia to the front of world opinion and not only that they have the best policies for handling Covid as well as China. Labor don't know which way is up and even if they did, they would still go the other way.

 Whatever Scott Morrison says you had better believe it, because he has been knighted in his opinion. He has GCMG after his name. God calls me God.

That is the official LNP position and if you don't believe it you are not properly brain washed, or should I say brain dead.

[willedoo]

One thing that concerns me is that he's on record as saying that he's doing god's work as PM (didn't know God was a Liberal but there you go, learn something every day) and that the bad side of social media is the work of the evil one. I imagine by the evil one, he means the bloke in the red suit with the pitchfork. The incredulous thing is that a person with those beliefs is running the country. Or it could be as someone previously said, that he was just making it up for the happy clappers to get their votes. Might be the answer, it was said during the last election campaign.

[nomadpete]

And we can expect more of the same SFM rubbish ine the coming new year.

[Old Koreelah]

On 20/10/2021 at 7:56 AM, Old Koreelah said:

As with any losing arguement, we’re seeing increasingly desperate statements coming from the diminishing ranks of coal defenders:

 

I’m seriously concerned about this bloke’s mental health.

At the recent announcement by the Nat that they were finally going to join the rest of the world in reducing our dependence on coal, he predicted that we would all be soon forced to become vegans.