The Nats

[Dax]

38 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

I’m seriously concerned about this bloke’s mental health.

At the recent announcement by the Nat that they were finally going to join the rest of the world in reducing our dependence on coal, he predicted that we would all be soon forced to become vegans

Many supposed sarcastic claims turn out to be logically rational, devoted ideologues and in this case another deranged god nutter is so deluded he can't see the reality of his claim and thinks it's the opposite. The human race becoming vegans would probably save the planet. If that were to happen, pollution chemical use and global warming would dramatically reduce, along with the huge health improvement in humanity. But that would also cause an increase in human population, which would defeat the purpose as it's the number of humans that's causing the planet problems.

 

I'm very close to being a vegan, eat some fish and the occasional bit of organic chook. Most of my food is home grown, local or Tas grown, what comes from Aus is crap, old and mostly chemically saturated.

 

The difference changing my diet made to my health and well being over the years, is simply amazing and only got into it because of my declining health at the time. Took a few years but got to the stage where was feeling really great and had no health issues, then got a bit complacent and got into a bit more trouble health wise. Now back on track and hopefully improvement will increase, that's why I'm building a hyperbaric chamber. They help healing and when you add O2, CBD and good cleansing diet, you have the right ingredients to start improving your health.

 

 

I'd suggest anyone wishing to improve their health to consider changing their diet from a high processed fat one, to non fat non dairy diet to see an improvement in their health. But it has to be a balanced change, not radical as that could cause more harm than good. We have to realise medical science can't fix any disease, all they can do is cover up the symptoms and cut out the effected part. It's our bodies that do the repairing and proper diet helps that process dramatically.

 

Strong possibility the Nats will lose most of their seats next election, most farmers I've talked to who used to support the Nats, can't stand the current members. Next problem is, who do they vote for, none of the other parties represent any decent approach to the future. All that's left is independents and we have a much better chance of controlling what independents do, than corrupt political parties.

[old man emu]

The change in the Australian diet in the past 50 years (this year it's Maccas 50th anniversary of their arrival) has produced a couple of generations of obese people and a lack of knowledge about dietary commonsense.  Try to find a fast food outlet that doesn't either fry their products, or overload the plate. Have a look at pictures of cricket crowds at the early One Day matches, and compare them to similar pictures of today's crowds. It's a wonder the old historic grandstands at some grounds don't collapse under loads they weren't designed to carry.

 

With the costs of running a food business now, the prices have to be so high that it makes economic sense for a family to prepare its own meals at home. Unfortunately, most adults in those families never learned to cook basic food.

 

I would disagree that the Nats and Libs are going to be wiped out at the next election. Like religious affiliation, long term supporters don't jump ship, especially those of a conservative bent. They'll moan and groan, but they will still put a 1 in the same box they have done in elections past. The definitely won't turn their green and gold coats to red, anymore than the Libs will go from blur to red.

 

While the idea of Independents ridding the House of corruption is a nice concept, having done so, how can a disparate collection get whole-hearted agreement on matters before the House? We would end up with nothing being done in the House and all decisions being made by the Public Service. Things would run, but progress would stagnate.

[Old Koreelah]

3 hours ago, Dax said:

I'm very close to being a vegan, eat some fish and the occasional bit of organic chook…

 Me too, although I eat more of both than I should.

 

How to eat healthy and ethical? Much of the fish I eat comes from overfished oceans and I can afford to out-price many poor people. The chooks I eat are among the most efficient of meat producers, but they have a miserable life.

Feedlots might be profitable, but they are an ecological and ethical abomination.

 

Forty years without red meat seems to have been a good health move, despite warnings from family. Some of my siblings run beef cattle on rugged woodland country that’s no good for much else, so this greenie will defend that industry.

 

 I have long since lost the taste for red meat, but for ethical reasons probably should include a little grass-few beef in my diet.
 

                                                        

[Old Koreelah]

54 minutes ago, old man emu said:

I would disagree that the Nats and Libs are going to be wiped out at the next election….

I fear you are correct, OME. Despite Australia having one of the most incompetent and corrupt federal governments ever, the Federal Opposition leader is rarely seen or heard. Now is exactly the time he should be hammering them. If Scumbag were to call an election on his return from Glasgow, Labor would be in trouble. Albo is a decent bloke, but the current PM runs rings around him when he speaks. 

 

I always admired Kevin Rudd, but his party gift to the ALP (making changing leader into a months-long process) is a gift to the current, atrocious government.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/albanese-says-he-s-in-the-final-quarter-so-when-is-he-going-to-start-kicking-goals-20211023-p592j9.html

[Dax]

59 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

How to eat healthy and ethical? Much of the fish I eat comes from overfished oceans and I can afford to out-price many poor people. The chooks I eat are among the most efficient of meat producers, but they have a miserable life.

Feedlots might be profitable, but they are an ecological and ethical abomination.

The fish I eat, is Tasmanian black back salmon and only take that when they are fully running, which is a couple of times a year and freeze most of the catch eating it about once a month and the same with chook, which is always organic. The meat today is junk chemicalised junk, all farmers except organic use large amounts of different chemicals on their farms and in their cattle.

 

All my family thought I was crazy and wanted me to continue with chemo etc, they have largely disowned me, the only connection is through my youngest daughter and ex. Now all but my eldest sister and youngest brother are still alive and she is on the way out, a couple died of cancer other died from wrong or over medicated.

 

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

I would disagree that the Nats and Libs are going to be wiped out at the next election. Like religious affiliation, long term supporters don't jump ship, especially those of a conservative bent. They'll moan and groan, but they will still put a 1 in the same box they have done in elections past. The definitely won't turn their green and gold coats to red, anymore than the Libs will go from blur to red.

Would love to disagree with you, but can't as that's the probable outcome. An ideologue can't change it's way of thinking or locked in programming and doubt even a major calamity created by the Nats would change their spots

 

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

While the idea of Independents ridding the House of corruption is a nice concept, having done so, how can a disparate collection get whole-hearted agreement on matters before the House? We would end up with nothing being done in the House and all decisions being made by the Public Service. Things would run, but progress would stagnate.

Let's look at it from a logical aspect, why would independent politicians be any different to independents on boards, club committees, councils, or any other organisations that has people come together and make decisions that effect lots of people and organisations. We don't have political parties running those organisations, although they are pushing into councils with devastatingly negative results.

 

I think the opposite would happen because at the moment nothing of worth gets done in the political arena in the proper time or action and at least most independents would have hand son experience in life. Current politicians only experience in life is in a church, school or office and they know nothing of worth in any way. Take them away from their advisers or pre-programmed questions and they are completely lost, all they can do is try to change the subject or throw blame elsewhere.

 

[Yenn]

Albo may be a decent bloke, bit he comes over as a whinger. He needs to state what a mess the current government is producing and forcefully explain what his party would do to get us back to sanity.

The whole lot of them appear to me to be more like a group of schoolgirls complaining about their lot.

[old man emu]

On TV, facial appearance counts. While both Rudd, Shorten and Albo might have the abilities to lead the country, but they suffer from "wimpy kid" syndrome. None of them looks like what the people want, someone who looks like they won't be pushed around. Then we had Julie, and not many of us want a Boudica no matter how good a woman is at getting things done. (Honestly, not bagging Julie herself). 

 

Hawke had the leadership look in spades. Keating was good at his job, but looked like a Looney Tunes gangster.

 

So, what the Labor Party needs is a rough diamond who tells it like it is, and knows the meaning of "No" when saying "no" is in the best interests of Australia's people.

[Dax]

3 hours ago, Yenn said:

Albo may be a decent bloke, bit he comes over as a whinger. He needs to state what a mess the current government is producing and forcefully explain what his party would do to get us back to sanity.

The whole lot of them appear to me to be more like a group of schoolgirls complaining about their lot.

Great observation and spot on, the problem is, they don't know what to do to get us back to sanity. Al they know is hoe they've cone it in the past and what their vested interests want, so they will promise everything. but give nothing. How many times have they said they would reign in corporations and that they were against gambling and fully behind real competition, but their own history for all parties shows the opposite since the mid 1960s. Back then we were a thriving self sufficient independent country of around 11 million people, we made everything including our defence systems and they were the best on the planet. Now we import just about everything, give a way our resources to overseas hostile sources and are becoming an urban waste land no different to all other heavily populated country.

 

Think about it, we have a deranged fool who deeply believes he is doing gods work and that this is the end times. That's why he smirks so much, so he lies every time he opens his mouth and makes grand promises, yet none ever gets done that would benefit our future. All that happens is more and more money goes to less and less people as prices and costs rise.

 

On the other side, we have a catholic economist who's life experience has been in an office. They either release policies just after an election, or just before because they know if they had to support the veracity of their policies for more than a few weeks, they would fall over fast.

 

Think it's getting to the stage where even the most die hard supporter of any party will be getting a bit jittery, as things get worse under the current direction and control. We are virtually defenceless at the moment and will remain that way for decades until we start designing and building our own defence equipment that we can sustain locally. But all we get is empty promises, shoddy planes, choppers, ships, submarines and weapons platforms.

 

We are digging up more coal than we ever have and the same with all our resources. Who do you vote for, knowing it won't make a bit of difference which party gets in, the results will be the same.

[willedoo]

1 hour ago, Dax said:

They either release policies just after an election, or just before because they know if they had to support the veracity of their policies for more than a few weeks, they would fall over fast.

That all started with Howard in the 1996 election. He didn't want to repeat John Hewson's mistake of releasing major policies months before an election so Paul Keating could rip them to shreds. Howard won the '96 election after releasing a tiny amount of policies at the 11th. hour. He set a standard as it's been much the same ever since. All hot air for the mug punters.

[Marty_d]

5 hours ago, old man emu said:

 Keating was good at his job, but looked like a Looney Tunes gangster.

Yeah, but he had some ripper insults.

 

Heard today that part of the dodgy deal that the Libs had to make with their coal-lovin' colleagues to get their reluctant agreement to net zero in 2050 (Beetroot can't even say "target") - is to put Keith Shitt in cabinet.  Yep that same deranged idiot who wants to pay a quarter trillion bucks to the fossil fuel industry.

 

Kind of takes the gloss off your (new-found) green credentials when you reward a fervent denier with a portfolio.

[old man emu]

I suppose that Australians shouldn't complain about our political leadership. We are too complacent to rise up against the tyranny of political short-sightedness and self interest. Don't expect any revolution here. We dine too much on the lotus. 

[spacesailor]

England thought that very same thought !.

When it was a REPUBLIC ,

Strange how things change when the peasants are Revolting !.

spacesailor

[willedoo]

2 hours ago, spacesailor said:

when the peasants are Revolting !.

I always consider myself to be a revolting peasant.

[nomadpete]

I like that idea. I'm proud to be a revoltin peasant. I'm happy to live way below the 'standard' of the average upper middle bogan.

 

*No flash new cars, ever.

*No costly, wasteful McMansion to live in.

*Modest home designed for simple living, low maintenance, low operating costs.

*No takeaway foods

*Old style veggie patch

*Live beyond the reach of commercialised garbage collection, city water & sewerage,

*On a dirt road.

*No letterbox.

*Stress? What stress? Less of that than ever!

*Practically no lawnmowing - the low carbon paddymelons keep the grass short.

 

Most city dwellers will never know how liberating and easy life can be when one takes responsibility for our own life. And best of all, we're happier!

[old man emu]

9 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

I'm happy to live way below the 'standard' of the average upper middle bogan.

The average upper middle class bogan doesn't have an aeroplane.

[Marty_d]

36 minutes ago, old man emu said:

The average upper middle class bogan doesn't have an aeroplane.

Yes, but their 30-foot aluminium boat with twin 300HP motors on a 3-axle trailer, pulled by their Ford F250 Platinum, more than makes up for it.

[Dax]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

The average upper middle class bogan doesn't have an aeroplane.

Does a hang glider count.

[Marty_d]

Oi, I had a hang glider when I was early 20's, I was definitely a lower class bogan.

[nomadpete]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

The average upper middle class bogan doesn't have an aeroplane.

Neither do I, OME.

 

That was way back in my well paid, high stress, city life. And all behind me now 😞

 

It's a bit like how I felt when I left my (now, ex) wife. It was a sad, emotional time for me. She got to keep the house, the lawnmower and the car and the cat.

 

I so miss my cat.

Edited October 26, 2021 by nomadpete

[facthunter]

Gliding clear of a built up area would be a sticking point. with the drone .  What social class does BOGAN span.? Nev

[nomadpete]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

 

😞

 

How do i delete a post?

 

Oops, sorry about double posting. I tried to edit, but the edit period must have expired while I was typing, and reposted it.

Edited October 26, 2021 by nomadpete
confusion

[old man emu]

31 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

😞

 

How do i delete a post?

Just go back into it through EDIT, then delete everything and log out or go look at another thread.

[red750]

Zsa Zsa Gabor said she was a housekeeper. Married rich men, got divorced and kept the house.

[Yenn]

The Nats have agreed to Scumbags going to Glasgow with zero emissions by 2050 and that is a win for Scumbag according to the media. We don't know what transpired in Nats and Libs meetings, but the fact remains that Scumbag is not really in favour of net zero, what he really wants is to keep using coal and this agreement has been reached to make him look good. The problem is that if you really look, he does not look good.

What we need is a pathway to surviving in the post coal era and we are not getting it. We are looking at going backwards against the progress of the rest of the world, thanks to our leaders.

[facthunter]

TWO of Australia's greatest conmen go to where their pathetic attempts at obfuscation will be more obvious than here, where the MSM cover him.  Hope they see through this charade at Glasgow. Nev

Edited October 26, 2021 by facthunter