I don't think... I KNOW.

[facthunter]

I don't recall a mandate for fibbing included in the last election promises.. His maiden speech in the Parliament had a lot about being a man of God and how that would imply behaving better. I have frequently questioned the worth of a proven LIAR's word on anything. As far as I'm concerned Once you are caught at it , you're OUT. Why give anyone a second chance to deceive you? . He's been treating ALL of US for mugs all along.

    "Where the bloody hell is his integrity"?     AND just WHAT does HE actually GET? Nev

[onetrack]

Years ago, I was discussing politics with a farmer friend. I commented on how few younger politicians there were. He replied, "You know why? Because you don't learn to lie properly, until you're 40!!"

[facthunter]

Farmers all vote for the one mob. . It's not the done thing to do otherwise. Nev

[Yenn]

This idea of technology or science finding a way to make coal clean is just a new version of the technology that was going to be found to clean up nuclear waste.

Some people have been saying for sixty years that we have the technology to clean up the storage of nuclear waste, but most people don't believe.

Most people dob;t believe that technology will clean up coal, but of course Scumbag is a believer.

Ridiculous to let a believing religious crank into a position where he can exercise his believing powers to our detriment.

Vote 1 for Macron, not the scumbag who tried to waylay him while he was talking to others. Not good manners as well as untrustworthy.

[facthunter]

The TRUTH will OUT. It's starting to. Sco Mo's 'whatever it takes ,Win at any cost" is many steps too far...There's nothing CLASSY about this unprincipled DOPE.  Every move is MORE damage. Mr NEVERWRONG has much to learn but HE won't. Nev

[Old Koreelah]

10 hours ago, facthunter said:

Farmers all vote for the one mob. . It's not the done thing to do otherwise. Nev

Years ago my MIL was handing out how-to-vote cards for the Labor candidate at a strong Country Party polling station.

She was there all day and that night was involved in scrutineering the count. 
She claimed the long-standing member received more votes at that booth than people who showed up on the day.

[Jerry_Atrick]

On election days, I was a polling clerk at Kensington in Melbourne. Receiving more votes than people turn up was hard to do thanks to the scrutineers (who could lodge complaints separately) and the votes then going to a central for a recount, so it would (or should) b picked up. But that was in the 90's, and I am guessing OK, you are talking the 60's or 70's, which may have been different.

 

What was easy is, at the station of a candidate that received the lions share of the vote, was allocating some of the other candidates' votes to the prevalent candidate. Each table had a stack for each candidate's votes and it became mechanical to put votes on the leading candidate's stack. The scrutineers, though, were eagle eyed - even that of the leading candidate (as if to rub it into the others that the vote count was so disproportionate). Of course, they would be recounted for certification at the central office, but I am sure they could make the same mistake.

[willedoo]

On 02/11/2021 at 2:42 PM, Marty_d said:

Now Scummo is trying to conflate himself with Australia.

The weasel is doing it again, Marty. Quoted in Dubai on the way back home - "What is needed now is for us to move on, that is what is important to the Australian people." 

 

It's a pity we didn't have a system where the GG could revoke his position on the grounds of being a national embarrassment or just for being a complete tool, or even just because it's Wednesday. Anything just to get rid of the clown. Crikey, this bloke makes Billy McMahon look good.

[willedoo]

There's a big difference between what Morrison did to the French with the submarine deal, and what the French did to the Russians with the warship deal. The French had almost finished building the two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships (photo below) for the Russian Navy when they applied sanctions over the Crimea issue. In that case, there was plenty of warning and most EU and NATO countries were sanctioning Russia, so the Russians would have long known it was coming.

 

And it actually worked to Russia's advantage. They sent their specialists to France to remove their sensitive military equipment, then got a full refund. At that stage, Russian military planning had identified that they didn't need that class any more and they needed the moolah to help the budget. France was stuck with two useless ships for a while, but eventually was able to flog them off to Egypt. Everyone was happy in the end.

 

Fast forward to our submarine deal. Macron was only told two days before the YUKus announcement that it was all over. Some very slippery rug pulling.

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

 

[facthunter]

Goofball. The Village Idiot of the meeting and he's all OURS. What a show and it's on the Public record forever however much he wants  to ignore it..  Nev

[nomadpete]

Listening today to a radio shock jock that sounded just like Alan J.

Pure right wing hype about SFM's great submarine deal. Fumed about anybody doubting what a great jub SFM did. Called Albo a French sympathiser with no loyalty to Australia. Then went on to brand those (few) listeners who had the temerity to email this announcer with any negative words about our patriotic PM, as being so blindly French affected that "they should pack up their beret and go and live in France because we don't want them here".

This is the sort of media stuff that gets embarrassing, incompetant idiots elected (as long as they have the blessing of our controlling media). Sadly by the time voting day rolls around, this fiasco will have faded from the short electoral memory.

[nomadpete]

BTW, although it has been suggested that somebody close to our PM may have been connected with the allegedly leaked text message from Macron, has anybody seen what answer (if any) SFM texted back to Macron? Anyone think about why the response didn't get leaked to the media? If there was one, and it seems to have deserved one, perhaps it didn't make its sender look good?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Yes, leaking a question is one thing.. the answer would prove most enlightening.

 

It shows exactly how tactless things are with SFM...

 

I can see Labor's campaign... A picture of SFM's face with a voiceover.. "Yet another crisis... Where the bloody hell are ya?"

[Marty_d]

9 hours ago, nomadpete said:

Listening today to a radio shock jock that sounded just like Alan J.

Pure right wing hype about SFM's great submarine deal. Fumed about anybody doubting what a great jub SFM did. Called Albo a French sympathiser with no loyalty to Australia. Then went on to brand those (few) listeners who had the temerity to email this announcer with any negative words about our patriotic PM, as being so blindly French affected that "they should pack up their beret and go and live in France because we don't want them here".

This is the sort of media stuff that gets embarrassing, incompetant idiots elected (as long as they have the blessing of our controlling media). Sadly by the time voting day rolls around, this fiasco will have faded from the short electoral memory.

What the hell were you listening to??

 

I can't stand even listening to LNP pollies on ABC.  They never answer the questions put to them, twist, spin and then spout the party line with whatever buzzwords and catchphrases they've been told to use that week.

Tell you what though - after Australia's frankly embarrassing appearance at COP26, I really think that Labor should be doing some research into whether voters would prefer to see them have a closer relationship to the Greens.  We really need a party that's going to lead and provide certainty to business and investment.  The LNP, far from being the captain of this ship, is literally the anchor trying to slow us down.  People and business are way ahead of this government on climate action, but imagine how much further we'd be if we had a government capable of providing leadership!

Labor has traditionally shunned the Greens for fear that the more traditional/conservative labor voter won't vote for them if they support them.  But I'd argue that Labor's base has changed - it's no longer blue collar vs the bosses, it's progressive vs conservative.  The conservative parties have joined forces - Liberal, Nats, the crazies - it's about time the progressive side got together and worked constructively.

[old man emu]

9 hours ago, nomadpete said:

Listening today to a radio shock jock that sounded just like Alan J.

Alan J has got the boot from Sky News. I pity the poor charlady who had to clean up after his dummy spit.

 

6 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

But I'd argue that Labor's base has changed - it's no longer blue collar vs the bosses, it's progressive vs conservative. 

Do you think that is due to the change in our workplace? The Conservatives sold off all our Secondary Industry, so people no longer have the need for the industrial militarism of the past and can focus their thoughts on more esoteric topics. Also, they now have access to a much wider range of information and opinion to do so. 

 

The battles that the Unions and Labor fought for improving the workplace environment in relation to safety and conditions seem to have been won. Now that energy can be focused on dealing with the foreseeable problems of the Future.

 

There's one thing I regret. We members show a lot of wisdom, based most often on a lifetime's experience, but we have no way of passing the benefit of that experience onto the generations following us. “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 minutes ago, old man emu said:

The Conservatives sold off all our Secondary Industry, so people no longer have the need for the industrial militarism of the past and can focus their thoughts on more esoteric topics.

I'm assuming this is correct, but be that as it may, is it the only reason. A lot of blue collar work has been automated, and with AI and robotic process automation, continues to be, as does clerical and admin white collar work. There was a post, I think by yourself of innovation in the simulation industry in Brissie (or QLD), and, to paraphrase the article, the factories are no longer full of people tilling at the machines.. they are now full of machines doing the tilling, with scant number of people overseeing them.

 

I think that political parties are more ideologists than they were.. There was a need to further the trade union cause through politics.. but as you point out, those issues have now been won (in fact, I would argue the Fair Work Act goes too far... but that is for another discussion). Even before I left Aus in 1996, the trade union movement was starting to overstep it's original charter into social, or societal issues.  Similarly, I cannot remember under, say Malcolm Fraser, the Liberals (and the then National Party) being quite as ideological as it is today. As I recall (and I may be looking back with rose tinted glasses), Labour (then), Liberals, and Nats more or less wanted the same outcomes, but thought the paths to get there were different. Today, there is a stark difference in the outcomes desired.

 

I also think this is a general reflection of society's shift to tribalism. I was discussing with my son today how I recall the days where I went to a VFL (that long ago) game, and if a player from the opposing team took a speccie or snapped a miracle goal, while grimmacing, I would begrudgingly clap their athleticism and skill - as would most of those who supported my team. These days, it is boo's all around.. For a progressive society to become more tribal, seems to indicate it is not that progressive after all.

[facthunter]

 It's LABOR here by the way but it is an  outdated name/ concept. It needs a new name. They are Democratic Socialists of some kind.

   Liberal in the US is the HATED lefty communist enemy the progeny of whom you would not let your Daughter marry.. People who say Labor and Liberal Here are the same, don't know how wedging and media work. Any media that isn't run by Murdoch, Peter Costello and Kerry Stokes has to be carefully "discovered" and cherished. often subject to troll attack  and worse by the likes pf Dutton. 

[Jerry_Atrick]

I know it is Labor, but you learn a new thing every day.. I was under what appears to be a misapprehension that Labor dropped the "u" in the 80's, (which is why I used the term, " Labour (then). But some quick research me that it is far from settled when the name changed, but it was a lot earlier.. some sources say 1912, some 1925 and one says on its inception, then it went to Labour, then back to Labor. So apologies there.. Interestingly, the ALP predated the UK Labour Party and the NZ one as well, and were  the motivations for the latter.  So, in this case, I thought, but did not know..

 

The fact that Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist and proud to be one, shows how far "right" or more accurately, capitalist/free market/lassiez faire the US model is. I was recruited by a  US company in Aus to move to the UK (that is how I ended up here). The office here was made up of mainly US expats who never wanted to return. Four weeks holiday, and almost unlimited sick pay (though after 4 weeks, your salary moves to statutory sick pay, which is about the same as the aged pension). They never had it so good. The company I worked for, albeit one of the best companies I have ever worked for, was progressive in the US by US standards. They had 4 weeks leave - they could take as they wished.. sick, holidays, etc. But that was it. Annual leave in the US is a standard 2 weeks/year and often only allowed a week at a time (you should have seen the look on one of the account manager's face when he allocated me to a client but had to wait a whole 4 weeks for my return from holiday - in Australia of course). The other two weeks are sick (much like Australia - or how it was before I emigrated) and usually require a doctor's certificate.

 

The other thing about the US is that, certainly for white collar work, most employees are "at will". That means, there is no notice period and rarely severance pay. When this company I worked for decided it wanted to become a larger corporation and started merging with other companies, it acquired some very toxic American culture.. And there was a story of a long serving employee (like, number 3 employee or thereabouts) sitting at her desk and not being able to log in. When she called the held desk, the response was "Oh, haven't you been told.. you were let go". Apparently, this is common in US companies. It was a real shame, because as a US company, when I joined (previously independent), I enjoyed it so much, I had thought I had found my job for life. Of course, it was a blessing in disguise as it made me leave a comfort zone.

 

Social security. public health, justice, education, etc., are the bare minimum to allow it to call itself a civilised society. An ex manager of mine went blind - Once his unemployment benefits were used, there was nothing for him. Luckily for him, he was close to retirement age and only had to bridge a year or so before his 401K and other pension investments were going to pay him a wage.

 

America does offer the American dream.. But, if it goes pear-shaped, that dream will become a nightmare.

 

 

 

[willedoo]

This is our peanut speaking (shouting) at the COP26. I thought international forums had a certain amount of decorum about them, but this twit thinks he's still in parliament with his moronic, bullying form of speech.

 

He's telling the world that Australia is working to establish high integity offsets internashaly (his words, not a typo, shades of George Dublya). He then goes on to mention global momentum to tackle China when he meant to say climate change. I have to wonder if this national detriment can possibly get any more embarrassing.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/scott-morrison-cop26-gaffe-goes-viral-on-weibo/100597142

[Jerry_Atrick]

Did he also say, "high integity offsets"? (Spelling mistake intentional)

[facthunter]

HE was in his BEST "Village Idiot Mode" at the event in Glasgow which many now regard as Farcical. "Integrity" would get him in trouble, as a word and a principle. Abbot said CanadIA and suppository of wisdom and "you bet you are" and had something to do  with "Budgie Smugglers". and punching the wall both side of a woman. We know how to pick em here especially the Tory types . Nev

[Yenn]

Scumbag has learnt from history. Donald Trump succeeded when nobody thought he could. He bacame the world leader at lying and denigrating others. That is what Scumbag has learnt.

I shall from now on call him PMT, that is Poor mans Trump

[Jerry_Atrick]

And he even gives blokes PMT

[facthunter]

 And SANTOS to Glasgow. THAT was a bit OFF don't you think? He's full of tricks Our Scotty from marketting.. The Lord works in mysterious ways. Nev