Australian Federal Election 2022

[Marty_d]

Politics isn't about delivering, it's about announcing.  The sizzle is far more valuable than the sausage.

[old man emu]

In 1987 there was an ad blitz for a French perfume named Arpege. The slogan really caught on. "Promise her anything, but give her Arpege." Some say that was stolen from an old Dean Marin song called, "Promise her anything but give her love." Today, in our  politics the new verse could be, "Promise them anything, but keep giving them the same."

 

They promise the world, but give  love with reference to the tennis meaning of "love": "nothing, zero, nada bugger all".  

[facthunter]

Promises "staged announcements" come cheap. Actual action "delivering" is another matter.   Nev

[onetrack]

And of course, then there's "core" promises, and "non-core" promises. Only politicians could dream up that explanation.

[facthunter]

That was a Howard theme. Treat the Sheeple as nongs and it works Mostly. Bjelke Petersen's feeding the Chooks. Nev

[Marty_d]

What about Trump's media advisor when caught in one of his first lies as President - that his inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's - when presented with evidence that it was a lie, she said "we have alternative facts".

[old man emu]

It is a shame that most of us here are illiterate in the written languages of the many ethnic groups which make up our Nation's electors. I'd dearly love to see what is being told to these people by both sides of politics. Obviously my bias means I would like to see what the Libs are saying about Labor. Are they playing the Socialist Ogre card? These New Australians have often come from countries where the rulers used violence to maintain power and to suppress opposing ideas. Is this emotion being targeted to lure these people into voting for the Conservatives?  

 

 

[octave]

Liberal official admits Chinese language signs were meant to look like they came from AEC

[old man emu]

In a report of the case before the Court, the person who authorised the signs confirmed that the signs were intended to say “to make your vote count” but the meaning was lost in translation to “the correct way to vote”. Simon Frost, who authorised the signs, said under questioning from Lisa De Ferrari, the barrister for the applicants, that the two signs – one in traditional Chinese characters, and one in simplified Chinese characters – were intended to appear as though they were AEC corflutes. (Corflute - the material that disposable signage is printed onto.)

 

It was not so much the mistranslation of the Australian idiom into Chinese that I think was the problem. It was the use of the Electoral Commission's colour scheme that was deceptive. These are signs produced by the AEC

   

No Political Party in Australia has anything like those colours . Here re the posters for the Libs and Labor in one of the seats that were involved in the complaint.

What also stinks about the affair is that a couple of old Conservatives were so distant from the day-to-day lives of the voters that they could say, there was “no real chance” that Chinese-language signs, designed to look as though they were from the Australian Electoral Commission, changed the result. The result of an election depends on the number of votes a candidate gets.

 

It might be pedantic to say this, but if just one primary vote went to Party A when the voter thought their vote was going to Party B, then the "result" has been changed. Overall, one vote probably wouldn't decide and election, but the final voting figures published by the AEC would not be a true indicator of how all the voters felt.

 

Labor’s shadow attorney-general, Mark Dreyfus, said the government could “take no comfort” from today’s decision. “It is now clear the tactics employed by the Liberal party in this election went well beyond the accepted bounds of a vigorously contested election campaign – especially in the divisions of Chisholm and Kooyong. “Mr Morrison and his colleagues can take no comfort from the fact that the court found that the Liberal party’s potentially unlawful conduct did not affect the election result. What’s relevant here is the conduct of the Liberal party.”

[Bruce Tuncks]

I reckon Palmer looks and acts too much like Trump to get many votes. AND Dutton looks too much like Voldemort , mind you, I really approved of how he over-rode the bleeding hearts and deported that criminal.

Getting back to Palmer, the only thing he could achieve is to spoil some Labor candidates chances.

Yes I know it is shallow to point out how much like Voldemort that Dutton looks like, but whoever said the electorate was smart?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Sort of has a point:

 

[Old Koreelah]

This bloke always speaks well and makes sense. A future leader.

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, Old Koreelah said:

This bloke always speaks well and makes sense. A future leader.

He has most of the attributes of a good political speaker, but has he been able to show leadership qualities. I don't mean has he made a play for the big job, but has he been identified by the Party as part of its succession planning.

 

Not to be nasty to the bloke, but in politics, his biggest drawback is that he is Gay. As far as I'm concerned that doesn't detract from his ability to be a political leader of quality, but to the Conservatives it's worse than being a fellow traveller. The Conservatives would ditch their lip service to equality and paint him as a deviant sex maniac to frighten the "macho" voters.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I tend to agree - Julian Hill, although speaks a lot of sense and eloquently goes on the offensive, is probably not enough of leadership material to overcome both popular biases based on his sexuality, nor the overwhelming Aussie mainstream media bias against the ALP, of which an example is here:

 

However, he is the sort that a leader would want on their team, because he does speak sense and, if the leader listened, could keep the leader honest.

 

Watching ABC Media Bites, Paul Barry identified that the Murdoch press was looseing up with respect to its coverage of ALP.. noting that the ALP seems to have the lead in a lot of marginal seats and Murdoch hates to back a loser.

 

It's going to be an interesting federal election campaign.. Pre-ordering popcorn and a couple of cartons of VB/Tooheys/XXX

[Jerry_Atrick]

Has the election been announced, yet? When it finally does, it will be a doozy...

 

The NSW Libs pre-selection bunfighting has gone to the high court. I don't know about Aussie election laws, but if they are still in limbo by then, does it give the PM the opportunity to delay the election as a major political party can't work out who to put up for pre-selection using normal procedures...

 

Then, there is the "new force" in Aussie politics.. Palmer and his cronies. This already has an interesting air of things to come: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-08/fact-check-clive-palmer-national-press-club-economy-covid-uap/100976632

 

Then, there's the inevitable blitz on social media where all sorts of party faithful and members will skirt the rules: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-08/aec-investigating-union-tiktok-accounts-ahead-of-election/100969896

 

Oh, and Craig Kelly has already taken an egg hit...

 

Popcorn ordered...

 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by Jerry_Atrick

[Marty_d]

The Palmer lunatic fringe isn't new.  The ar$ehole ruined the last election.

[Old Koreelah]

2 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

The Palmer lunatic fringe isn't new.  The ar$ehole ruined the last election.

I fear he will repeat that obscentity this time. Palmer has $80million to spend and his billboards are all over the country.

All it take is for a few gullible voters to actually believe him and his candidates’ preferences could return this atrocious government.  

[Marty_d]

A colleague was telling me about one Palmer billboard near where she lives - keeps getting defaced.  They replace it and the next day it's graffitied again.  Who would have thought that vandals would do a public service?

[onetrack]

The election is apparently being slated for May 21st. This is because by that date, ScoMo's term in office will have exceeded John Curtins term in office - and that means a lot to ScoMo and the Libs, apparently. Such is their pathetic efforts to try and find any reason that makes them look a better choice than Labor.

 

By the same token, if Labor can't find a new and inspiring leader by the time the election is called - instead of Insipid Albo - it's all over, Red Rover for Labor.

 

Palmers UAP preferences will decide the outcome, and the vast majority of the UAP preferences will go straight to the Libs, the same as last time.

Of course, Craig and Clive keep hammering us with the message that you can't trust Labor, Libs or Greens - but all that will go by the wayside, when it comes to handing out UAP preferences.

[Jerry_Atrick]

It just gets better: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-08/checkmate-bob-katter-children-gun-claim/100974960

 

His name should be Bob Nutter.. What does it say about people who vote people like him in? He is a member of the house of reps, so can't rely on the rigged senator elections argument!

 

The Raving Loony Party doesn't seem so raving loony compared to some of the pollies up for offer: https://www.australianravingloonyparty.com.au/

 

[nomadpete]

Oh dear.

 

Do I have to renounce my aliegance to Pastafarianism before I can join the Australian Raving Looney Party?

But will it cost me to join?

 

Old mate Clive lets me join for free. You can't beat that. He's got he country's cheapest political party, with the country's biggest advertising budget. What a generous bloke.

 

Decisions, decisions.

[nomadpete]

 

the late Sir Patrick Moore once said, the Raving Loony Party have "an advantage over all the other parties, in that they knew they were loonies".

[onetrack]

Well, it's on for young and old now - May 21st is now the set date. Be prepared now, to be assaulted by endless BS, unkeepable promises, and pork-barrelling galore, right up until the Wednesday night before Election Day.

[spacesailor]

Then ALL those promises are Gone.

Forgotten,  never spoken. 

It really doesn't matter  !, 

It Will be the same for the next 4 years, just different names.  (  perhaps putting each party on a rotation  government would rid the coruption  ).

spacesailor

 

[willedoo]

13 hours ago, spacesailor said:

Then ALL those promises are Gone.

Forgotten,  never spoken. 

It really doesn't matter  !, 

It Will be the same for the next 4 years, just different names.  (  perhaps putting each party on a rotation  government would rid the coruption  ).

spacesailor

 

A couple of weeks ago on the ABC radio, it was said that out of seventy infrastructure projects promised by the government at the last election, only two have been approved. They also said that the previous Labor government had only a very slightly better record.