Sanctions against Russia

[willedoo]

R.I.P. Andriy Pilschikov.

 

[Old Koreelah]

5 hours ago, willedoo said:

Turkey's Erdogan has said Turkey doesn’t recognise the annexation of Crimea. He said Crimea is a part of Ukraine and Turkey maintains their support to Ukraine’s territorial integrity. He also called on Russia to release imprisoned Crimean Tatar leaders.

Hard to see Russia ever giving up its claim to Crimea, even if they’re pushed out. Perhaps a final solution should be some sort of Autonomous Region that recognised the ancient claims of the Tatars. The USSR included lots of subdivisions that supposedly gave some local control to many of its ethnic minorities.
 

[pmccarthy]

Saying it four times doesn’t make it a good idea! 

[Old Koreelah]

Sorry about that; my iPad has developed a stutter.

[onetrack]

Russian investigators have issued a statement that genetic testing has positively confirmed the deaths of Prigozhin and Utkin, plus the other 8 pax listed on the aircraft manifest.

 

Putin must be cracking the champagne bottles by now - the only minor problems he now has to address, is who to set up to take the blame for the aircraft bombing - and how to produce a plausible story of some other vengeful enemy of the Russian State, taking out their vengeance on Prigozhin. After all, Prigozhin more than likely had plenty of other enemies out to kill him.

 

Blaming the Ukrainians would be handy, Putin just has to produce "evidence" of Ukrainian personnel carrying out the foul deed. I'm sure that will be arranged with a pile of fabricated movements of suspects, fuzzy CCTV of shadowy figures that are positively ID'ed as Ukrainian, and shrapnel and explosive residue that is ID'ed as specifically Ukrainian.

 

Oh, and of course, Putin will be there at Prigozhins funeral, shedding a crocodile tear or two, and expressing sympathy at the loss of such a patriotic defender of Russian soil.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-27/russia-s-investigators-confirm-wagner-mercenary-chief-prigozhin-/102782360

[red750]

 

 

Wagner boss talks about ‘plane falling apart in the air’ in resurfaced clip fuelling conspiracy theories

 

Video here.

[willedoo]

The most important sector of heavy fighting would be the Robotyne area in Zaporizhia Oblast. Robotyne is on the road to Melitopol which is the key to Ukraine cutting Russia's land bridge to Crimea. The Ukrainians have taken Robotyne and opened up a small salient to the south. The Russian defences between Robotyne and Novoprokopivka are very heavy and at the moment, it looks like the Ukrainians are trying to extend their flanks to widen the salient into a more sustainable front line. They've passed through the minefields and are at the large tank barrier ditches. Behind the ditches are the rows of dragon teeth and troop fortifications. It's a tough job trying to breach all that under Russian fire control.

 

The maps below show the Ukrainian advances and the Russian fortifications. The second map has an overlay of the line on June 1st., and shows just how hard it has been to advance in almost three months. It's anyone's guess whether the Ukrainians will achieve a significant strategic gain in the south before winter sets in. One thing that makes it hard is that the Russians don't stop digging and are constructing defences all the time. It could be said that it's one of the main things the Russians have done right in the war. Back in the later half of last year when most of these defences weren't there, the western suppliers to Ukraine baulked at delivering the needed equipment. Ukraine lost the opportunity to rout the Russians back then, and Surovikin capitalised on it to dig in. If the Russian line holds, it will be a long war. If it breaks and the Ukrainians can cut Crimea off, then things might change.

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by willedoo

[facthunter]

An analogy and just a co-incidence. People can read anything into this kind of stuff. I'm referring to the video.  Nev

Edited August 28, 2023 by facthunter
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[Jerry_Atrick]

Here is an interesting article on the 5 possibilities the war in the Ukraine will end. To be honest, it doesn't illuminate anything that hasn't been discussed on this thread, but it puts them together, though. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-28/ukraine-war-post-putin-russia/102778338

 

Also, is the hypothesis of why the West is slow in sending supplies to Ukraine. It must be awfully frustrating for the Ukrainians..

[willedoo]

On 28/08/2023 at 6:41 PM, Jerry_Atrick said:

Here is an interesting article on the 5 possibilities the war in the Ukraine will end. To be honest, it doesn't illuminate anything that hasn't been discussed on this thread, but it puts them together, though. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-28/ukraine-war-post-putin-russia/102778338

 

Also, is the hypothesis of why the West is slow in sending supplies to Ukraine. It must be awfully frustrating for the Ukrainians..

If I was a betting man I wouldn't have a clue which one of the five possibilities to bet on. Option 4, a frozen conflict, would possibly be the most likely. It was a frozen conflict from 2014 to February 2022, so this might turn into stage 2 of that. I hate to say it but I think option 2, a total Ukrainian victory, is the least likely scenario. But you never know in war; sometimes a lot of things can happen all of a sudden.

[spenaroo]

didn't know about these.

Australia has been sending Ukraine cardboard drones

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fpolitics%2Ffederal%2Faussie-cardboard-drones-used-in-attack-on-russian-airfield-20230829-p5e0bv.html

[willedoo]

After the drone attack on Russia's Pskov military airfield, Russian press and the Pskov Oblast governor are saying that four Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft were destroyed. It's a long way from the Ukrainian border, near the Russian/Estonian border. At this stage it's not reported whether the drones were launched from Ukraine or from within Russia. The base is home to the 334th Military Transport Aviation Regiment which operates a fleet of Il-76 aircraft.

[willedoo]

4 minutes ago, spenaroo said:

didn't know about these.

Australia has been sending Ukraine cardboard drones

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fpolitics%2Ffederal%2Faussie-cardboard-drones-used-in-attack-on-russian-airfield-20230829-p5e0bv.html

Good value to be able to take out a Su-30 with a piece of cardboard.

[red750]

Wagner Boss Yevgeny Prigozhin is Still Alive and Plotting His Revenge on Vladimir Putin, Russian Analyst Claims

 

ARussian political analyst recently claimed that Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin is still alive and plotting his revenge against Vladimir Putin, RadarOnline.com has learned.

 

In a surprising development to come less than one week after the 62-year-old mercenary chief supposedly died in a plane crash outside Moscow, Dr. Valery Solovey claimed that Prigozhin is “alive, well, and free” in an undisclosed country.

 

According to Solovey, Prigozhin evaded Putin’s alleged assassination attempt by placing a body double on the private jet that mysteriously crashed on its way to St. Petersburg on August 23.

 

Even more surprising was the Russian analyst’s claim that Putin was aware Prigozhin was not on the flight that tumbled out of the sky last week and crashed in a remote part of the Tver region.

 

“Prigozhin himself was not on board. His double was flying instead of him,” Solovey said on Tuesday, according to Daily Mail. “By the way, Vladimir Putin is perfectly aware of that.”

 

“If you believe official statements of the Russian authorities, then what can I say?” the Russian analyst added.

[Old Koreelah]

2 hours ago, willedoo said:

Good value to be able to take out a Su-30 with a piece of cardboard.

The same approach could easily be employed against our multi-billion dollar subs.

[rgmwa]

Or alternatively his body double is alive and well in the undisclosed country.  Who knows what to believe.

Edited August 30, 2023 by rgmwa

[Jerry_Atrick]

Well, I am in absolutely no doubt that the aircraft crash was accidental: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-will-not-probe-prigozhin-plane-crash-under-international-rules-brazil-2023-08-29/

 

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, Old Koreelah said:

The same approach could easily be employed against our multi-billion dollar subs.

Nah, the cardboard falls apart when it gets wet...

[red750]

[willedoo]

How's this for a conspiracy theory - one of putin's body doubles ordered the hit on Prighozin's body double.

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

Jeez, there's room for a lot of C4 in that fat ass table leg.

[facthunter]

It's all F@%^!N . Unbelievable, from the very beginning.  Nev

[red750]

Putin a 'Dead Man Walking' and Warned 'To Be Very Careful' When He Jets Off to China

 

Vladimir Putin was dubbed a “dead man walking” this week and warned to be “very careful” when he visits China later this year, RadarOnline.com has learned.

 

In a surprising development to come after the Russian leader announced he would visit China in October, sources close to Putin said he should be “very careful” following the death of Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin last week.

 

According to Professor Anthony Glees, Wagner blamed Putin for Prigozhin’s plane crash death on August 23 and will likely seek retribution for the suspected killing of their leader.

 

"Putin the ex-KGB Officer is playing poker, as he always does, pretending his hand is far stronger than it actually is, that every defeat was in fact all part of a carefully worked-out plan,” Glees explained to Daily Star this week.

 

"It does not exist,” the professor continued. “He's a dead man walking."

 

Glees also argued that Putin made a mistake by not claiming responsibility for Prigozhin’s death because it made the Russian despot look “frightened” and “weak.”

 

"In other words, Putin was too frightened and too weak to claim the credit for the killing whilst cynically hinting that it was bound to happen,” Glees told the outlet.

 

Meanwhile, Putin’s recent announcement that he will visit China in October is reportedly part of a plot to make the “world see him as supremely powerful.”

 

"What Putin wants now, just a few days after arranging for Prigozhin to meet his maker on 23 August, is for the world and especially NATO to see him as supremely powerful, calm, and in full control of events,” Glees said.

 

"Going to China would send a signal that all was well for him in Russia."

 

But despite Putin’s hopes to make the world and NATO view him as “supremely powerful,” Glees predicted that the Russian leader will still “worry” about leaving Moscow vulnerable during his trip to China and the possibility of being assassinated during the visit.

[facthunter]

I'll save my sympathy  for somebody HUMAN. Nev

[willedoo]

This map gives an overall view of the range of Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia.