Very interesting article.

[red750]

There are a number of articles on the internet confirming this as FACT and discrediting Putin's story about 'denazifying' Ukraine.

 

Zalensky's ancestors murdered by the Nazis.

 

 

In June of 1941, Hitler's Army began a rampage through Ukraine, razing towns, unleashing death squads, and massacring Jews by the hundreds of thousands. In one village in the Pale of Settlement,  virtually the only region of the Soviet Empire in which Jews were permitted to reside, four Jewish brothers enlisted in the military, said goodbye to their parents, and walked off to fight the Nazis. 

 

By the war's end in 1945, only one of the brothers, named Semyon, was still alive. He returned to find that the Nazis had torched his entire village, burning his parents to death. Semyon's  family was dead, and his beloved Ukraine was in ruins. The Nazis had murdered between 1.2 and 1.6 million Ukrainian Jews. 

 

Semyon married a fellow Ukrainian Jew who had survived the war by fleeing her city, in which the Nazis had killed 5,000 Jews. Two years later, in that same city, they had a son, Oleksandr,  keeping alive the family line that the Nazis had brought a razor's width from extinction. Thirty-one years after that, Oleksandr had his own little boy. 

 

That boy was Volodymyr Zelensky, who grew up to become the President of independent, democratic Ukraine. Today, he leads his outmanned, outgunned, ferociously defiant nation against the  onslaught of Russia. As Russia dashes itself against the will of his people, Zelensky, the survivor of survivors, summons the resilience of his ancestors. He does not bend.

 

[onetrack]

It surprises me that the State of Israel hasn't started providing support for the Ukrainians. Usually, as soon as any Jewish people are threatened anywhere in the world, the Israelis are right in there, with help for "their oppressed people".

Perhaps it is happening, in a manner we don't even know about. It wouldn't surprise me to find Mossad assisting the Ukrainians with intelligence, and quite likely, with weaponry as well. Israel has some potent home-grown military equipment.

[red750]

Different subject, but interesting none the less.

 

I watched most of a program on ABC 2 tonight, maybe you saw it too. Called "You Can't Ask That." It featured Greg Combet, Tony Windsor, Cheryl Kernot, Sam Dastiary, Amanda Vanstone, Wyatt Roy and a couple of other ex-Pollies, discussing what a dirty game politics is, how you may have good intentions but are bullied by your party or the opposition and so on. And no, politicians don't get a pension, John Howard scrapped them years ago. And when you leave politics, it is almost impossible to get a job, no-one will hire you. Perhaps you could catch it on ABC On Demand.

[facthunter]

Interesting group.  There's still pensions and ex PM's perks but you have to qualify. T abot  told business to reward pollies who had done a good Job(for them). Pretty obvious call. There's some grubs that are obviously corrupt and can't help themselves from helping themselves to the"spoils of Office" . Nev

[onetrack]

And what Combet, Windsor, Kernot, Dastiary, Vanstone & Roy et al, have explained what happens once you become a politician, is exactly where our "democracy" has become corrupted by parties surreptitiously gathering massive political power, and taking the power from individual voters.

It's the reason why we have the "faceless power brokers" of the Parties repeatedly mentioned - but no-one ever examines how those "faceless power brokers" got so much power to corrupt voting and electorate intentions to benefit themselves, their Party, and their business mates, such as developers and huge corporations.

 

It's really no different to any hardline Islamic Govt. Islam poses as a religion, but the power is corruptly invested in the Imams, who rule by decree. We allow Party power brokers to gain massive entrenched power to alter the direction of policies and how individual politicians vote. They talk of "conscience" vote (i.e. not voting along Party lines), but even a "conscience" vote is often governed by what the individual politician realises will happen to their career, if they don't vote along party lines.

 

I have talked to people about this for decades, many people recognise what's wrong, but no-one takes any steps to return power to the electorates, and to the individual voter. The "system" is simply too entrenched, and it will probably take a revolution or civil war to overturn it.

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by onetrack

[old man emu]

If a bloke doesn't like one of the codes of football, he ignores it; doesn't follow any news of it; wouldn't go to game if you gave him a free ticket to a corporate box.

 

Maybe we should ignore the power game these politicians like to play. After all, the only part Joe Blow plays in our democracy is to pick one of the players. He can't pick the whole team. He can't have input into the team's tactics.

[willedoo]

On 21/04/2022 at 12:20 PM, onetrack said:

It surprises me that the State of Israel hasn't started providing support for the Ukrainians. Usually, as soon as any Jewish people are threatened anywhere in the world, the Israelis are right in there, with help for "their oppressed people".

Perhaps it is happening, in a manner we don't even know about. It wouldn't surprise me to find Mossad assisting the Ukrainians with intelligence, and quite likely, with weaponry as well. Israel has some potent home-grown military equipment.

Israel is in a similar situation to Turkey and the Emirates - they have a lot of money to lose if they upset the Russians too much. Israel has a lot of wealthy, influential Russians living there as well as other trade and economic links. From a political and security point of view, Israel depends on Russia's influence in the Middle East to keep a lid on the Iranians and Hezbollah, both allies of sorts of the Russians.

 

They don't want to supply lethal aid to Ukraine, but are supplying helmets and vests for medical teams and first responders. They've also decided not to block Estonia from sending Israeli made anti-ship and anti-tank missile systems to Ukraine. On the other side of the coin, there are Israeli Russians living there who oppose the Russian government and would love to see Israel upset Russia. One notable one is billionaire Leonard Nevzlin (one of the ex Yukos blokes) who lives in exile in Israel.