Oldest Continuous Culture??

[facthunter]

Luther wanted reforms. Not to  break away. .  Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

I wonder if Luther would have done the same if he had known that his actions would cause so many deaths eg in the hundred years war? These wars impoverished europe and helped make Britain the world's superpower. I have read that the armies of those days plundered the land for about 100km each side and the farmers there died of starvation as a result.

And, I say again, I just never heard of the stolen generation and I was a kid of the exact age to know.

Here's why I'm against giving money to aborigines...

[Jerry_Atrick]

5 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

And, I say again, I just never heard of the stolen generation and I was a kid of the exact age to know.

Maybe a little research? It started in 1800 - and I know you aren't 223 years old... Or are you saying it is a conspiracy theory?

Also,I am sure in the latter years of it, it was done in a manner not to require the gentry to be upset and have to avert their eyes.

 

5 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

Here's why I'm against giving money to aborigines...

And why is it?

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

They already get so much money that I reckon we should all claim aboriginality.

What they lack is tough love.

Looking back, I can't say that I have ever met or known of a stolen generation real person. I did have a sister-in -law who had turned up to a house where the baby inside was dehydrated and lying in 3 days of its waste. What did she do? She called an ambulance who took the baby away, probably to a hospital.

Now there are many who would say that this baby was "stolen".

My take on this is that the mother had too much money to spend on alcohol and/or drugs. So this is why I reckon that the problem will not go away if more money is given.

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Why is it, I ask you, that people who are very obviously  about 90%white identify as "indigenous?" I suggest because of the money.

[facthunter]

If they stay out of the sun they go whiter. It does happen.  I don't really think it's the money. Aboriginality?? will be an issue. It WAS with them and they called half casts Yella fella's and killed them  as babies often.. Albino's  in black areas are at risk. People who fostered them did it for good reasons mostly and they were treated better than British ORPHANS sent here. There's abuse in all institutions, potentially. EVEN the Forces.  Nev

Edited June 13, 2023 by facthunter
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[Bruce Tuncks]

I never knew that nev, about black skin going whiter if kept out of the sun. I do know of abos dying of sunburn after shedding their clothes to go walkabout.

I also never knew an albino, although there must have been some.

[facthunter]

I don't know of any in Australia but chances are there would have been. Happens in animals too. Highly pigmented skin people have problems in high latitudes.  Nev

[Old Koreelah]

What is a continuous culture?

 

On most continents there were periodic upheavals as peoples migrated or conquered their neighbours. Few nations can honestly trace their local ancestry back more than a few centuries. 

The same applies to many first nations in The New World.

When the Spanish moved into what is now Arizona, the Navajo/Apache were still in conflict with the Pueblo farmers, having only arrived a century or so earlier.
 

Given the historic and ongoing animosity between some native Australian groups, I suspect quite a bit of human migration on this continent before the white fella came. 
 

Modern Australians are slowly coming to terms with some less savory aspects of our past and present culture; some of our Indigenous brothers have yet to do so.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Dead right, old K. There were some good things about abo culture, they were tolerant for example. Sharing too.

I don't think they had our concept of private property, and this explains some of their "crimes". They may well be more right than we are on this matter, methinks.

As far as "continuous" means, I have always thought that this refers to their lack of progress. Writing is a good example of this. Without writing, you can't pass on any wisdom down the generations and the odd genius among your lot will never be known.

I bet that if the Incas had writing, they would have known better about the Spanish cunning ways.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Except for this about migration....   I don't think there were any boats which could cross any seas on the way here. The Malaccan traders ( those who brought the dingo here 5,000 years ago) were only just able to make the distance and I think that the abos only got here when the sea was much lower and they could walk here.

The dingo is a good example of what I have been talking about....   dogs and people make a formidable hunting team, but I don't think they were used in that way at all.

In time, I reckon the Maoris would have got to the east coast of Australia and they would have eaten the indigenous . We will never know huh.

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

In time, I reckon the Maoris would have got to the east coast of Australia and they would have eaten the indigenous

Well the Maoris and other Pacific Islanders have wiped out Aborigines in Rugby League.

[pmccarthy]

There was never a time when you could walk. Even at the height of an ice age there was a big wet stretch between Indonesia and Australia.

[spacesailor]

Just ' how much money ' is this government throwing away on the " yes " properganda ? .

On some TV channels it seems to run continuous adds.  

We are tired of hearing about all this shite .

Let it stand on it's merit. 

spacesailor

[facthunter]

There's nothing PROPER about Propaganda. Facts are what you need to make the best choice. . How often does that happen?   Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, spacesailor said:

Just ' how much money ' is this government throwing away on the " yes " properganda ? .

Maybe to couteract the amount of money being thrown at the No campaigh by Murdoch & Co.?

[old man emu]

50 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

Maybe to couteract the amount of money being thrown at the No campaigh by Murdoch & Co.?

But that's Murdoch's money, not yours and mine.

[octave]

24 minutes ago, old man emu said:

But that's Murdoch's money, not yours and mine.

And this is why some Americans believe the election was rigged. 

Democracy relies on the people being informed. I am more than happy for some of the taxes I pay to go towards countering the Murdoch point of view.

[Bruce Tuncks]

I hate any propaganda. And I reckon Murdoch money is stolen tax money he should have paid years ago but was too politically powerful to have to pay.

I also hate it when the government spends money on propaganda.

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

But that's Murdoch's money, not yours and mine.

I think what you mean is it's Murdoch's profits, not yours and mine. They write the articles to get eyeballs, so they can sell advertising. If they were honest, even-handed, and non-sensationalistic, it wouldn't compell people to buy their papers. Sadly, without an APC with teeth, the government has to put their argument out there. The press' function performs an important function of democract to scrutinise the government and at least allow us to hold them to account, if they won't do it by providing fair and honest reporting. Murdooch press seems to fail on  those points abysmally. Otherwise, Murdoch would have relished his day in court rather than settle with Dominion.

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Jerry_Atrick

[spacesailor]

I haven't seen One ' NO ' advert yet , but will keep looking .LoL

spacesailor

[Jerry_Atrick]

Probably because that doesn't represent the governmetn's version of the facts. But as I recall, wasn't there a conession made to the Libs that a pamphlet or something would be sent to each household outlining both the arguments for and against?

[spacesailor]

Never had one in my letterbox .

So I haven't heard any ' official against ' propaganda  at all YET .

spacesailor

[Old Koreelah]

9 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

…I think that the abos only got here when the sea was much lower and they could walk here.

The Wallace Line stopped Asian and Australasian land animals from mixing. It had to be crossed by water.
Even when ocean levels were lowest, the Lombok Strait was deep and wide. I’ve crossed it in a 100tonne boat and the rough seas scared the crap out of all of us. The very ancient peoples who crossed it must have been gutsy to do it in canoes or rafts.

9 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

In time, I reckon the Maoris would have got to the east coast of Australia and they would have eaten the indigenous . We will never know huh.

You’re probably right; the Maori boasted about eating the peaceful peoples of the Chatham Islands.

There’s an interesting theory that prevailing winds and ocean currents brought Polynesians to NZ, but would not have carried them to this continent.

[Bruce Tuncks]

That's interesting Old K. I would have thought the easterly winds would have helped those polynesians get here, but they clearly did not.

I heard, while visiting the south island of NZ, they only went to the south island to hunt, but never stayed there...  apparently they found the place too cold.