What is an Aborigine?

[Bruce Tuncks]

I reckon that this is an objective question with a definite answer. An Aborigine is a person with more than 50% Aboriginal DNA.

It is NOT a person who has ticked a box on a form, anymore than a male can claim to be a female.

We are seeing some terrible sabotage brought about by the "woke" fools who would say that you can identify yourself as an Aborigine or a female and thus make it legal. They are doing the true Aboriginal a lot of harm, just as they are doing women's sport a lot of harm.

 

[facthunter]

THEY themselves, will have to deal with this matter eventually and by it's very nature will be contentious as It has been in the past with them and how they deal with their  "quote" Yella fellers. . I descended from Brit's...... Something I HAVE NO CONTROL over nor did I have any say in what they did down through history.  Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

If they want "reparations", what of the recent immigrants? What of the recent non-white immigrants?  What about those who never got any benefits from whites taking over the land?

What about the value of monies already paid out?

It's all to hard I reckon. But if you can claim aboriginal benefits by just declaring yourself to be aboriginal, then we all should make that claim.

 

[facthunter]

WE have roads  bridges stores with food, water systems Cars trucks, Planes and trains Hospitals etc. I can't concieve of retreating from advantages like that and the art theatre, education. Sure some things could be done better but where else would any of US want to live?  Nev

[Old Koreelah]

1 hour ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I reckon that this is an objective question with a definite answer. An Aborigine is a person with more than 50% Aboriginal DNA.

Bruce I totally disagree. DNA has little to do with it; it’s all about the culture in which a person has been raised. 
I have friends who adopted Korean babies. The sure look different to the other kids but are as Aussie as you or I.

1 hour ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

It is NOT a person who has ticked a box on a form, anymore than a male can claim to be a female.

We are seeing some terrible sabotage brought about by the "woke" fools who would say that you can identify yourself as an Aborigine or a female and thus make it legal. They are doing the true Aboriginal a lot of harm, just as they are doing women's sport a lot of harm.

I totally agree that too many people are falsely claiming Aboriginal identity. I notice that decendants of Tasmanian Indig people are calling for a change in government policy on this; they want to return to a policy whereby the Aboriginal community itself decides who is indig.

[rgmwa]

Currently it's defined as a person of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent, who identifies as an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, and is accepted as such by the community in which he or she lives.

It at least avoids the problematic percentage debate, but what defines a community and how do you demonstrate acceptance?  What happens if you don't live in an identifiable Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander community?

 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by rgmwa

[facthunter]

Point a bone at those who won't do the right thing by you or hang out with MY mob.  Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

 I still prefer a dna test if you have to decide before paying them lots of money. But I accept that the current definition is also ok, provided it is done properly.

If you have a real community of blackfellows, then it would be ok, but if you only have a bunch of fat woke ladies, then no.

[Bruce Tuncks]

I notice Jacinda Price is described as "celtic- abo. Guess what she should identify as to maximise her income?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Are you saying she is going for welfare from two countries? Smart woman. 😉

 

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I notice Jacinda Price is described as "celtic- abo. Guess what she should identify as to maximise her income?

But which "celtic" is she?

 

A DNA study of Britons has shown that genetically there is not a unique Celtic group of people in the UK. The results show that although there is not a single Celtic group, there is a genetic basis for regional identities in the UK. Many of the genetic clusters we seen the west and north are similar to the tribal groupings and kingdoms around, and just after, the time of the Saxon invasion, suggesting these kingdoms maintained a regional identity for many years.

 

The finding is the first genetic evidence to confirm what some archaeologists have long been arguing: that Celts represent a tradition or culture rather than a genetic or racial grouping.

[Marty_d]

Bruce, can you identify what extra money a person identifying as aboriginal gets?

[red750]

It's been going on for ages. Ayres Rock > Ularu - you can't climb it. Fraser Island > K'gari.  Moreland > Merri-Bek. What next?

 

Football teams renamed to indi names during the indig round. Is there  no end.

 

The Voice question should not be linked to recognition in the constitution. Thi will not lead to reconciliation.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Yes Marty, but you can look it up too.  For example, entry to medicine is much easier if you are black. ( million dollar salary for life ) Then there are several royalty payments. A few grand a year for doing nothing would be nice I reckon. Then there is the much easier and earlier vaccinations.I have to wait much longer because I don't claim aboriginality.

A person I knew at the time was a teller in Alice Springs at a bank, and she told me that  $5000 per month was the total of the tape for black families.

( A senior nurse in the same place told me that the injuries suffered by abo women were terrible and they had no avenue of complaint ).

I read that the dietary problems the local indigenous suffered came under the category of " affluent malnutrition" and this is my observation too.

Personally, I feel sorry for them and whenever I see a sign which says " do not feed the animals because it makes them dependent" I worry that the citizens of the remote settlements will starve when the wheels come off the whitefeller gravy-train they are living on. Every week a road-train full of groceries arrives, and the inmates use the remnants of their $5000 to buy stuff. ( remmnants because the bulk of the money bought grog) . They sure need more tough love but nobody seems to care, especially the woke lot.

[octave]

 

Can you substantiate some of these assertions. Particularly the million dollar salary? Sounds a little mythical to me.

 

[spacesailor]

DOG ALLOWANCE. 

But , Not for white people .

I was told this in Katherine NT.  Many years ago .

spacesailor

[Old Koreelah]

3 hours ago, old man emu said:

The finding is the first genetic evidence to confirm what some archaeologists have long been arguing: that Celts represent a tradition or culture rather than a genetic or racial grouping.

And some of those people stayed in the local area for a loooong time:

 

[gareth lacey]

My wife worked in education Qld,the school had a number of indigenous pupils who all got up to $2000 per year for their schooling needs,our 2 children who went to the same school got nothing we paid for it , is that not division 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

3 hours ago, red750 said:

It's been going on for ages. Ayres Rock > Ularu - you can't climb it. Fraser Island > K'gari.  Moreland > Merri-Bek. What next?

 

Football teams renamed to indi names during the indig round. Is there  no end.

 

The Voice question should not be linked to recognition in the constitution. Thi will not lead to reconciliation.

Quite frankly, I am happy for the name changes - it gives Australia a much stronger sense of self-identity than hanging onto British location names and ditching the monarchy. [Edit] Most people of here in the motherland that I speak to are very supportive of it... Can't understand why we haven't moved sooner.

 

The voice may or may not lead to reconciliation - have you or anyone else got a better solution?

Edited June 19, 2023 by Jerry_Atrick

[rgmwa]

Well the Voice referendum got the go-ahead today so it will be interesting to see how it goes. I think there’s a good chance it will fail given the divisions currently on display. The ‘no’ camp  mainly seem to want a treaty and ‘real power’, whatever that means, rather than just an advisory body. But real power to do what, and how do they propose to fix all the problems that they don’t think the Voice will be able to? So far I haven’t heard either side explain what they think the underlying problems in the aboriginal communities are, and what they would do about them that would be different to what has been tried before.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Sadly, I am with you,. rgwma. I think that the division and misinformation is rather sad. There was an article in The Age about how Dutton is trying to take us down the American style of politics with referring to our founding fathers of the constitution, etc.

 

What is sad is that those on the No side can't articulate how whatever they propose is going to be better; Admittedly, the Voice is no guarantee, nor does it have the answers, but the purpose of it is to consult with representatives of those affected to [hopefully] arrive at the answers. They will take time..

[old man emu]

This referendum is like having to go to the dentist for root canal work. The sooner it is over and done with the better.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Marty, there are thousands of gp's who bulk-bill more than a million apiece. The material is not secret, you can google it up but have to do some detective work to fish out the figures. Now my wife says that they have to pay out lots so they get nothing much left.....  total BS, say I.

A similar thing to when John Howard sold Australia's natural gas...  I was one of the few who calculated it was at 5 cents per liter. The figures were obfuscated in millions per petajoule or something like that. ( I don't think that Johnny was a bad guy, but I thought him a fool. I think he honestly thought there was infinite gas in Australia) He sold 50 years worth to China I think.

If you google up starting medical salaries, you will get about $400,000 per year.

I was once on a no-account committee for attracting students to the university of Adelaide. We could have filled the medical faculty several times over with straight "A" students but were prevented from doing so by the feds, who at the time erroneously thought that every graduate from medicine would cost the feds a million a year. So they worked on reducing the number of graduates, and this sure put up the salaries.

A specialist gets about 3 million a year. Have you ever noticed the Sattlers and Vogues in their waiting-rooms? These are the cast-offs from their wives. There is quite a competition among air-head nurses to snag a wannabe specialist.

 

Yes, there is a bit of empty jealousy here. I erroneously thought at the time that computers would de-skill the job and reduce the salaries.Well this might still happen, but it hasn't yet.Mind you, my gp uses a computer all the time and I like it.

 

Surprisingly, the medical course is not that hard to pass, but it is hard to get into... so being aboriginal sure would help.

 

[Marty_d]

Bruce, the general thrust of your earlier posts was that people identifying as Aboriginal receive untold thousands in benefits of some kind over the rest of the population.

If you're saying that a prime example of this is to become a doctor and then make millions, could you please provide data on how many people identifying as Aboriginal become doctors, what proportion this is of the total number of people becoming doctors, and of that cohort, how many do you believe aren't actually Aboriginal?

I'm not trying to be argumentative or a pain in the arse here (although my wife may say I'm both!) but your claims would carry more weight if backed up by data.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Actually, Marty, there are next to none who do well enough at school to even get to the year 12 grade...  when I last discussed this here, I was told that it was racist and, furthermore, an aborigine had just graduated medicine in WA.

I looked her up, and she turned out to be a blonde white woman. This was when I discovered how much difference there could be between a "legal" aborigine and a black. This woman had been briefly fostered by a part-aborigine family and this was the basis of her getting "indigenous" treatment. My mistake was that I thought that aborigines were blackfellows.

 

When I was at school, I well remember how the % of aborigines dropped as the years advanced. There were none in HS year 10 for example, but in grade 5 primary school, the second to top kid was part maori and part aborigine and part white. He was good-looking and good at footy and smart at schoolwork. ( He subsequently died young of alcohol-poisoning, which was a great waste ).( the top kid was a white nerdy guy who was not even chosen to play footy)

 I have a niece who has just enough aboriginal blood to apply for extra treatment, but she was way too lazy to study hard and became an assistant to architects . I sure tried to tell her to apply for medicine.

 

Why, I wonder, is this so? Maybe if you have a short time-horizon, its too easy to not work hard this year?