The Random thought thread

[facthunter]

Clip lock may be that thickness but it's for a different type of structure and attachment method...   .060" is pretty thick for roofing I can't see how you'd justify the cost.  Nev

[spacesailor]

The cost will be ' justified ' 50 something years later.

Whenever the cheapest hasn't lasted long enough. Which lasts longest without maintenance ? .

spacesailor

 

[facthunter]

Once the zinc has gone the steel is not galvanically protected. Look how thick boat hulls are and they have to be constantly repainted, like the Sydney Harbour bridge.  Nev

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

but I'll wager it was at least 1.5mm thick.

I just went out and measured an old sheet of corrugated iron. Close enough to 0.75 mm which is as near as dammit to 1/32"

[facthunter]

The figure I'm quoting is for the steel part only.    Nev

[onetrack]

But just how OLD was the old sheet? They've been making CGI since 1829, when it was first patented. It was in use in Australia from the 1830's. 

An old prospector showed me sheets of old CGI he'd hoarded, and he carried on about how strong it was, "compared to this new sh**!" That was in the mid 1970's.

[facthunter]

A lot of the earlier sheet STEEL was imported straight from Britain. Some was used on interior walls.  You can refer to all the new stuff as $#!t but the market is cost sensitive and the  1/2 mil is strong enough.  IRON  was either Proper "Wrought" iron from a puddling furnace or cast iron as  pig iron which is neither Malleable nor Ductile. IRON in the current context is a misnomer.  It's coated sheet steel. Nev

[onetrack]

Agreed. However, the newest steel sheeting is also high tensile, which allows them to make it thinner. Against that, HT steel corrodes a lot more rapidly than lower grades of steel or iron.

[facthunter]

Well, why don't modern cars rust quicker? They are all thin high tensile sheet which can't be satisfactorily repaired. Corrosion is more likely to result from things like sulphur, manganese etc Impurities in the process. Springs are of similar composition and some tools. It's impurities that cause corrosion and a galvanic coat is the best form of Protection for ferrous metal.   A plated alloy of Zinc-Nickel has  replaced Cadmium in the Aviation game. The products are by and large a  fit for purpose unless you buy the cheapest available out there and that applies to anything doesn't it? Nev.

[onetrack]

Modern cars do rust more quickly if the metal is exposed - but modern cars have superior coatings on the panels that vastly improve their protection against corrosion.

 

HT steels contain a higher level of carbon content than lower grade steels, so this facilitates corrosion. Try leaving a bare (uncoated) mild steel bolt out in the rain along with an uncoated HT bolt, and see the difference in the corrosion levels after a week or two.

 

https://blog.thepipingmart.com/metals/difference-between-high-tensile-steel-and-normal-steel/#:~:text=The trade-off for this,fencing or marine structures%2C etc.

 

Edited March 17 by onetrack

[old man emu]

The point is that how many cars made in the past ten to fifteen years will still be in use in another ten or fifteen. Not worn out, just exchanged for something newer. You don't see many crs from the 1990s running about.

[spacesailor]

The difference between the old & new iron , is simply 

The fuel use for smelting.

From high carbon coal  to high sulphur  oil .

( Titanic was high carbon steel plate , ( wouldn't bend well when cold ) ).

spacesailor

Edited March 17 by spacesailor
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[Marty_d]

42 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

Titanic was high carbon steel plate , ( wouldn't bend well when cold

The iceberg would beg to differ. 

[spenaroo]

14 hours ago, old man emu said:

The point is that how many cars made in the past ten to fifteen years will still be in use in another ten or fifteen. Not worn out, just exchanged for something newer. You don't see many crs from the 1990s running about.

you obviously dont live in the same suburb I do,

so many commodores almost all are missing the fuel cap cover

[facthunter]

The carbon in High tensile steel is in solution.  Lookup the warrantee figures. You have a wide choice of product to pick from. Nev

[old man emu]

I remember when Holdens came out with a badge with a the numerals 179 over a flag - They were getting pinched atn attached to belt buckles.

 

 

Same went for the Ford Super Pursuit badge 

[nomadpete]

20 hours ago, old man emu said:

I remember when Holdens came out with a badge with a the numerals 179 over a flag - They were getting pinched atn attached to belt buckles.

 

 

Same went for the Ford Super Pursuit badge 

Yes I recall those days, too.

And when a car reached ten years old, it was usually so cheap an apprentice could buy it with a week's wage. With a smoky engine and structural rust in the body.

 

In contrast with our present two 15 year old cars. Both rust free, happily running their original engines after 150,000 MILES.

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

I got a chinese carport where the roofing was too thin to walk on! But it was legal, I did check that out.

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Yep but my ASX just died near Frances ( look it up). I think it was the new-fangled gearbox that failed.

Edited March 18 by Bruce Tuncks

[old man emu]

Random ethics thought: What would you do if you checked your bank account and found a $1 million dollar deposit? 

[spenaroo]

20 minutes ago, old man emu said:

Random ethics thought: What would you do if you checked your bank account and found a $1 million dollar deposit? 

leave it there and say nothing.

dont spend it or transfer it. just use the account as normal.

maybe question the bank if it can be quarantined or something

[red750]

Smart journalism?

 

BBC News19/03/2024 -"Gaza faces famine during Ramadan, the holy month of fasting"

[facthunter]

Might be funny but not in the current circumstances. Famines kill people.  Nev

[onetrack]

Re the unexpected deposit - this happens more often than you realise, and numerous beneficiaries have immediately spent a portion of the unexpected windfall.

 

However, you can be charged with theft if you spend the money - but the prosecution has to prove that deception was involved.

 

If no charges are laid, you still have to repay any funds put into your account in error, and the financial institution will pursue you for any amount of the payment error that you've spent.

 

https://www.canstar.com.au/online-banking/what-happens-if-your-bank-makes-an-error/

[old man emu]

I posed this question thinking of the "cashless society". As many of you have commented on the cash -v- card discussion, our financial transactions now consist mainly of the transfer of digital information (representing cash) from your accumulation to the accumulation of the recipient, represented by digital information. There is no transfer of any physical objects.

 

When we think of "finding" something, we tend to associate that with the finding of a physical object. If any of you found a wallet with either some cash or credit cards and other things necessary to exist in society, I'm sure that your ethics would lead you to having the owner found and the wallet returned. But how do you deal with the situation of finding an unexpected increase in your financial accumulation through the receipt of digital financial information? My thought is that, in our modern society, digital financial information has replaced physical banknotes. Therefore, the entry in your account represents a "thing". 

 

Let's have a look at the way larceny is defined at Law. In New South Wales, The High Court defined larceny in the leading case of Ilich v R in 1987:

“A person steals who, without the consent of the owner, fraudulently and without a claim of right made in good faith, takes and carries away anything capable of being stolen with intent, at the time of such taking, permanently to deprive the owner thereof.”

 

The offence is committed if a person intends, "to deprive the owner thereof.” For an allegation of "stealing by finding" to be proved, it must be shown that the accused made no, or insufficient, attempt to find the owner. Merely to leave it there and say nothing is proof of making no or insufficient attempt to find the owner.

 

What would I do?

1.  Contact the police and have them make a "Found Property" report and provide you with a reference number for that report. In NSW that is called an Event Number. Trying to explain how what you want to report as finding something could be a bit hard, but you should be able to convince even the most lethargic constable to create the Event. A benefit of making that report is that, if you say when making the report that you would like to claim the money after all enquiries have been made to find an owner have failed, then a Court could give it to you. Always a good idea if you happen to find a backpack full of money and some drugs. 
2. As soon as practicable, contact your financial institution's Fraud Unit and let them know what has happened. Because the deposit had to have been made digitally, the Fraud Unit should have the ways and means to locate the source of the deposit.
3. While talking to the Fraud Unit, ask them how to have the deposit transferred from your account to a secure account of the financial institution pending resolution of the matter. That removes your possible liability under the Law for "permanently depriving" the owner of the possible interest the amount could be earning.