Electric car thread

[kgwilson]

This is just confirmation of what EV and battery manufacturers have been saying and demonstrating with battery warranties. My MG4 came with an unlimited km 7 year warranty on car & battery. That has now been extended to 10 years and in Thailand & China the warranty is extended to a lifetime warranty. I don't know if this is for the original owner or whether it is transferable to second and subsequent owners. It is capped at 20,000 km a year which is fine for most people so won't apply to taxis & hire cars or probably any used commercially I imagine.

 

After 1 year and 16,000 km my car is reporting battery state of health as 100%.

[spacesailor]

The $10,00 MG price drop is wonderful.  $ 31,000 .

Except it doesn't work 

If I go & ask ( pensioner ) , I will be told a much higher price . " No business number " .

spacesailor

Edited September 23 by spacesailor

[kgwilson]

The price drop is for all purchasers not businesses. My model which was $50,400 on the road is now $39,990 on the road. At the time I got  a State incentive of $3,000 so it was $47,400 all up. The price had already dropped to $47,900 on the road now there is a factory bonus of $8,000 to bring the top spec car to under 40k.

 

There is a facelift model due out in early 2025 so the price drop is to try to get rid of current stock before then. Deals like this happen all the time with all manufacturers. Mazda has been offering big discounts on unsold 2022 models. There are also some good prices on demo cars with only a thousand km or so on the clock.

[onetrack]

The Chinese EV industry is in major turmoil and I can't see clearly as to what the end result will be - but one thing I can see, is a major "restructuring" of the Chinese EV production, and a lot of brands will simply disappear. The Chinese car dealers are wrestling with enormous losses.

 

https://www.scmp.com/business/china-evs/article/3279679/chinas-car-dealers-struggle-us20-billion-losses-amid-price-war

[nomadpete]

A flow on effect of bottomless government subsidisation of an industry.

 

I heard that the Chinese state subsidised the EV manufacturers ti the tune of $350 billion in an attempt to control the world market and squash the competition.

They are still learning how capitalism works. And are not very good at it.

 

On the other hand, we see the US situation where uncontrolled capitalism has destroyed their car manufacturing industry.

 

Both sides would do well to closely study themselves and their competitors.

 

Maybe reread The Art of War, and learn some history?

 

[Marty_d]

The market definitely can't be allowed to run free like the neocons want, but it also can't be too controlled.

There's a happy medium in there somewhere but I don't think the US, China or even us have it right.

[spacesailor]

 subsidies. 

This government has it's 'solar ' rebate scheme back to front .If they want more power into the grid then those lower consumers, should be getting the largest subsidies.

not the the cut off minimum .

spacesailor

 

 

[red750]

I know what everyone on this forum thinks of Barnaby Joyce, but he was only echoing what had been said in America about the possible spy gear being nuilt into Chinese vehicles, particularly EV's. There has been talk for some time they are tracking you and monitoring what is said in the cars. This is similar to rumours about Siri and Alexa smart devices, and even stories that your Rumba robotic vacuum cleaner is filming and recording your house.

 

It may sound pie in the sky, but when one sees what Israel did with the pagers and walkie talkies, maybe it's not so far fetched. Big Brother is with us.

 

What I can't get my head around is how the Israeli's got those devices into the hands of all those Hamas operatives.

[red750]

Further to my last post here, there are also stories that your security equipment, such as CCTV and Ring doorbell cameras, which transit images to your smartphone, are being covertly monitored and data sold on the dark web. You are not even safe sitting on the loo.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Your computer and phone also track you. Google famously recorded people through their Chrome browser. Apple has admitted tracing through their phones and so on.

 

Not sure what BYD will get from my driving

 

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

Further to my last post here, there are also stories that your security equipment, such as CCTV and Ring doorbell cameras, which transit images to your smartphone, are being covertly monitored and data sold on the dark web. You are not even safe sitting on the loo.

Well, if you're going to go to the loo in front of someone's doorbell camera, serves you right!

[red750]

Here is a link expanding on my last post.

 

 

Your car is listening.

[facthunter]

That's not confined to electric cars. Nev

[Jerry_Atrick]

Any car that gas a SIM has exactly the same issue..  such as my mini

[red750]

Lucky mine doesn't have one, they'd get a constant steam of expletives. Red lights and drivers who couldn't drive a hot nail into margerine.

[old man emu]

If all the nickel goes into making batteries for EVs, how are we going to power our mobile phones?

[onetrack]

There's more than enough nickel to around - but before long, nickel will likely fall out of fashion as a battery ingredient, as newer and "greener" materials are developed.

The price of nickel has slumped badly, mostly due to oversupply, and many of the nickel operations in W.A. have been placed on care and maintenance - including the Kalgoorlie Nickel Smelter.

China and Indonesia are producing vast amounts of nickel at lower cost than we can produce it, so it'll be a while before we have to worry about a nickel shortage.

[old man emu]

38 minutes ago, onetrack said:

There's more than enough nickel to around

I was being a smartarse.

[nomadpete]

A nickel for your thoughts, OME?

[old man emu]

57 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

A nickel for your thoughts, OME?

There isn't a pennyworth amongst them.

[willedoo]

Imagine what it would be like if the nuclear diamond battery concept was developed at scale. A battery that lasts for thousands of years.

[Jerry_Atrick]

9 hours ago, old man emu said:

If all the nickel goes into making batteries for EVs, how are we going to power our mobile phones?

Plug it in to your EV

[pmccarthy]

EVs should have bicycle pedals as a backup. Like cars once had crank handles.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Maybe they should have crank handles again, generating the electricity to recharge the batteries.

[facthunter]

A human is flat out to generate 1/6th of a horsepower. Nev