nomadpete Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 My 2 cents..... Noise outside:- Standing beside a highway, I watched the traffic. I could not detect any difference in noise from EV's compared to liquid fuelled cars. Not scientific proof - just a subjective judgement. Noise inside:- I have only been in a Tesla, and then only as a passenger, half a dozen times (apart from a short ride in a Toyota Prius 15 years ago). It is not a totally silent ride. The silence is eerie at low speeds. At road speeds, the cabin noise is pretty similar to a ice car. But we are already accustomed to a ice car that has a cvt transmission. This does not produce the sudden noise/vibration change that manual or conventional automatic gearboxes create when doing a kickdown to accelerate. Overall it is definitely slightly quieter but for me that alone does not warrant a $50k expenditure. Ride:- The Tesla is definitely set up with 'sports' suspension. A firm ride as you would expect on a performance vehicle. I suspect this has nothing to do with it's weight nor its EV power. More likely it was designed to appeal to the knockers - it had to out perform the opposition ice cars in order to get accepted. The smooth power is easy to like. My daughter's Tesla has had two flat tyres. Teck screws from worksites. Each was replaced onsite by roadside assist at a cost of $70 each. Not much different from the tyres on an ice car. Most cars now have similar low profile tyres anyway. For now I am happy to continue using our 'old fashioned' cars until they are beyond economical repair (drive them into the ground). So I might never get around to owning an EV. I don't care either way. Infrastructure to recharge is pretty good in Tassie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, red750 said: Where do you carry your surfboard on a Tesla Model X? Why would you need a surfboard in the snow? 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 OK smarty. make that Where are you going to carry your skis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Or the upright bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Be careful of what is above you , when opening your doors . Normally we have to watch the sides . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, spacesailor said: Be careful of what is above you , when opening your doors . Normally we have to watch the sides . These doors have sensors. When we rode in one a couple of times I stood to o close and the door stopped opening. I do however think these doors are a bit over the top although kind of cool at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 In that case my daughter couldn't have the X in her garage as it's too low and too narrow. Cannot open the doors fully to get out easily, the passenger, gets out before driving into , Plus you can't reverse a wagon in , as the garage far end has the staircase taking a piece of the upper one third , Of the back wall . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, spacesailor said: In that case my daughter couldn't have the X in her garage as it's too low and too narrow. Yep, not very practical for a lot of applications. Good vehicle for what we used it for. I had a long chat to the driver/owner. The trip from Te Anua to Milford and back is 240 km of hilly terrain and he drives it 5 days a week most weeks. The economics make it an obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Scissor doors are more practical than gull wing doors especially in tight spaces. The MG Cyberster has these. They are a bit of a gimmick really & just another ego booster. https://www.mgmotor.eu/model/cyberster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 What % of people use surfboards?. They used to use Kombi Vans but they are all rusted or fetching a heap. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 A video based on an article, published 18/6/24 in the Financial Review. It deals with insuring residential buildings where EVs are charged. I suppose that because the Financial Review is a Fairfax publication each and every word in it would be considered false to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 AN ice motor is just a head gasket leak. Timing belt or tensioner fail. A broken radiator Hose. Water pump seal contaminated fuel Incorrect special trans oil used or ill fitted oil filter away from disaster and much more in servicing cost. The servicing bill on electric is very minimal.. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Specialised trained mechanics ! . Are never minimalist. Ever . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 It's a long time since the Fin review was owned by Fairfax. It's owned by Nine Entertainment. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 The things on an ice car that need complex maintenance are NOT THERE on an electric car It's ALL there with a HYBRID though, space. Specialists service autos. Rebuilding motors is rarely economical to do with modern High tech stuff.. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, old man emu said: A video based on an article, published 18/6/24 in the Financial Review. It deals with insuring residential buildings where EVs are charged. I suppose that because the Financial Review is a Fairfax publication each and every word in it would be considered false to some. "EV owners urged not to charge EVs in the garage." A search for this turns up one article from the Sun that I did not even bother reading and an advisory for owners of Chevy Volts which I believe had a recall because of faulty batteries and some fires. Of course, this kind of thing doesn't ever happen with petrol cars oh wait yes it does. Hyundai and Kia ask owners to park outside due to risk of fire This though does not seem to be as alarming as those nasty new-fangled electric contraptions. From memory, he talks about the coming crisis of increased insurance premiums for charging facilities in apartment blocks. OK if this is true then people in apartments will have a disincentive to buy EVs and this will play into the market. NBo need for a hysterical whiney warning. At the end of the day insurance premiums will be determined by real world events. My son charges his EV in his garage which is under his house. I suppose you think he is a f****** idiot. I am not sure where @kgwilson parks his car but maybe you think get is a f******* idiot also. OME you said this in an earlier post: "Many of us are seeing this and lamenting another old skill being tossed onto the discarded arts heap. Many of us see the logic in stopping the rampant use of a diminishing resource, but the same "many" are getting "change fatigue" that they have been subjected to for close on 75 years. Let the upcoming generations work at making the use of liquid fuels a page in the history of Mankind. Just don't pressure older generations to turn the page so quickly. Some of us like to bask in the warmth of the wordsmith." Look I think this is your real issue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 OK as a rational person, I like to delve into the evidence. The video you posted OME states that public charging is slow expensive and inconvenient the author of the video avoids providing evidence. According to statistics from 2021, 10.3% live in apartments. So if this is a problem then it is a 10% problem. I actually live in a strata title property and I am on the committee and I have some understanding of the issues. This guy is massively exaggerating. I could post some videos of fact-checking of this guy, should I do that??? My son charges his EV overnight for 10 cents a kilowatt in his garage under his house. Charging overnight is GOOD for the grid (you probably don't know why). He does this twice a week which is all that is required for his normal driving. He lives his life happily but you seem to think his life must be hell. If you think my son charging his EV under his house is foolish I would be happy to pass that on to him and because he is scientifically literate and smarter certainly to me, I am sure he would act on your logical concerns. If I had thought buying an EV was right at this point in time,I would certainly buy an EV. I would mainly charge it from home for free. This would make sense, wouldn't it??? Getting back to Mr crusty old conservative's video. Is public charging slow???? Ask yourself why he does he not get into real-world charging times. What is the expense and charging times at public networks? This surely is key to your (hysterical) objectives) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Bugger talking to some people on the topic of EVs. I'm going to go talk to a JW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 33 minutes ago, old man emu said: Bugger talking to some people on the topic of EVs. I'm going to go talk to a JW. I would humbly suggest that whether or not you agree with me I do attempt to support my posts with multiple sources. I get it that you think anyone who is enthusiastic about new technology must be some type of simpleton. i get that you are uncomfortable with this new technology. You believe that you know this technology is bound to fail. Sometimes you just have to wait for the history to play out. If we dumbfuf*cks who stupidly believe that electric motors are much m, more efficient than piston motors are wrong then you will get to enjoy the "I told you so: moment. The most ambitious goals for EV adoption are 9 years away. How far has technology come in the last 9 years? The change to EVs is not particularly fast. I drove an early leaf 2014 that is now 10 years old. If the most ambitious plans for EVs come true then in 2035 all NEW cars will be EV. My old Ford Focus is 17 years old and still viable for a few more years. 17 years from 2035 is 2053. As long as petrol is available you will still be able to drive a petrol car (if you can afford it) I have a friend who occasionally drives his 1987 Ford. Sorry, but I think your constant hysterical griping is a bit sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 ICE cars are over complicated. With engine " computer "/ gearbox / steering / breaks . All with separate modules, then seats are now computerised, I almost forgot the " climate control " . Not even a key to start that motor or the door to sit in the car . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 My choice to buy an EV was based on several factors in no specific order. This list is not exhaustive, just what came to mind when creating this post. 1. My old ICE car was 11 years old with 225k on the clock and was starting to have a few issues so it was time to upgrade to improve motoring reliability. 2. I am an Engineer and was impressed by the innovative engineering and technology of EVs plus the fact that driving one produces zero emissions, is super quiet, has no vibration, has an abundance of power, max torque from 0 rpm, & with almost 100% efficiency from the fuel it uses. 3. Maintenance is reduced dramatically. Teslas have no maintenance requirements at all. My first service is due at 40,000km & that is just to change the A/C filter & check fluid levels. 4. I produce more electricity than I consume so it made sense to use some of that to charge the EVs battery. I only pay for charging when more than 250km away from home. 5. Cost benefit analysis. Higher initial cost is offset by lower overall cost over the life of the vehicle. I have already saved over $2,200.00 in fuel costs since last September with no maintenance at all required. 6. My driving is not contributing to the global change in the climate. 7. Of all the motive technologies available, Electric made the most sense by miles and is easily the most successful. The future of survival on this planet is the use of electricity from non polluting sources. 8. I had enough money in the bank & figured that at 74 I should reward myself for my hard work in getting to this point in my life and besides who wants to be the richest person in the cemetery. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, old man emu said: Bugger talking to some people on the topic of EVs. I'm going to go talk to a JW. I would humbly suggest that whether or not you agree with me I do attempt to support my posts with multiple sources. I get it that you think anyone who is enthusiastic about new technology must be some type of simpleton. i get that you are uncomfortable with this new technology. You believe that you know this technology is bound to fail. Sometimes you just have to wait for the history to play out. If we dumbfuf*cks who stupidly believe that electric motors are much m, more efficient than piston motors are wrong then you will get to enjoy the "I told you so: moment. The most ambitious goals for EV adoption are 9 years away. How far has technology come in the last 9 years? The change to EVs is not particularly fast. I drove an early leaf 2014 that is now 10 years old. If the most ambitious plans for EVs come true then in 2035 all NEW cars will be EV. My old Ford Focus is 17 years old and still viable for a few more years. 17 years from 2035 is 2053. As long as petrol is available you will still be able to drive a petrol car (if you can afford it) I have a friend who occasionally drives his 1987 Ford. Sorry, but I think your constant hysterical griping is a bit sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 9 hours ago, octave said: I get it that you think anyone who is enthusiastic about new technology must be some type of simpleton. No. 9 hours ago, octave said: i get that you are uncomfortable with this new technology. No. I think I have sufficient experience with electric motors to understand how they work. I might not know exactly how a lithium battery is manufactured or the chemistry that allows it to release electrons and thereafter be recharged, but I accept that they work. My concern has been with the ability of the electricity generation and transmission system AT PRESENT AND IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS to meet the demand for electricity from all the many ways electricity is being used, and the prospect of more demand from the huge needs of AI. 9 hours ago, octave said: You believe that you know this technology is bound to fail. No. I think the technology is quite sound. It is the delivery of the technology that is the problem. 9 hours ago, octave said: I think your constant hysterical griping is a bit sad. And I think your failure to seek consensus on any point sullies your reputation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 6 minutes ago, old man emu said: And I think your failure to seek consensus on any point sullies your reputation. EVs are generally more expensive to insure. The charging network needs to expand EVs generally have a higher sticker price Longer trips need more planning Rushing out and buying a new EV does not make sense for everyone at this stage 100% EV is many many years away is at all. We are still at the enthusiast stage of adoption These are all things I believe I have mentioned in my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 One thing I would add is that the world does not have enough available mineral resources to deliver the "electrification" being forced upon us by left wing politicians. That is not just cars, but grid, generation and storage. So, it cannot physically happen. Once that is accepted, we can make more realistic plans for the next 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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