onetrack Posted June 30 Posted June 30 That might change shortly as Joes drive to subsidise battery manufacturing in the U.S. is resulting in some monstrous new battery factories being built in the U.S. https://insideevs.com/news/556697/us-over10-new-battery-plants/ The end result is probably going to be a win-win for consumers as battery prices are bound to tank with the coming "battery wars". 1
facthunter Posted June 30 Posted June 30 Fossil fuel prices are only going one way and may likely cause wars. Nev
onetrack Posted June 30 Posted June 30 The Saudis production costs for oil is $3 a barrel. Be assured, that as soon as EV's look like being a real threat to the fossil fuel suppliers, the oil price will be adjusted downwards to ensure it cuts the ground out from under the feet of EV and battery manufacturers. There'll be a war, alright, it will become a winner for consumers. The problem may end up an economic problem if a pile of EV manufacturers and battery manufacturers incur massive losses, and go to the wall, possibly even bringing on a recession or even another Depression.
spacesailor Posted June 30 Posted June 30 What will the Saudi 's do . with all that oil " no one want's ". It Has to be refined for the other ' goodies . spacesailor
red750 Posted June 30 Posted June 30 Interesting barticle on Yahoo. https://au.yahoo.com/news/exciting-ev-shift-in-aussie-market-as-tesla-owner-gets-400km-charge-for-450-023202268.html 1
red750 Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Hopefully all you EV and hybrid owners know this... https://au.yahoo.com/news/ev-drivers-warned-of-number-plate-detail-attracting-257-fine-074717354.html 2
old man emu Posted July 3 Posted July 3 One of the things touted for the EV is the low cost of maintaining one. That's probably quit true if you compare an EV with an ICE in regards the costs of keeping the ICE operating. I've just booked my ICE in for the replacement of a rear tappet cover gasket, which, due to the layout of components of a transverse installation of a V6 engine is going to take at least 3 hours, plus inlet and tappet cover gaskets. And since the rear spark plugs are so hard to access, they will be replaced at the same time due to end of service life. An EV wouldn't need that, so maintenance costs would be lower. However, what never seems to be mentioned is the cost of consumables, like tyres and brake pads. Today I replaced all my tyres at $150 each. However, I believe that due to the unique conditions under which tyres on EVs operate, they have had to be specially designed. Basically, I believe, an EV passenger tyre is much more expensive to purchase than one of a comparable size for an ICE. I believe that an EV tyre has a shorted operational life than one for an ICE. I accept that I might be way off, but if I'm not, then the cost of consumables should be included when comparing operating costs of EVs and ICEs. 1
facthunter Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Brake pads wear less.. There's a lot of stuff you don't have to worry about with an EV but still do with a Hybrid.. Nev
octave Posted July 3 Posted July 3 As Nev points out brakes on an EV last for ages due to regen braking. As far as tyres go, I think perhaps in earlier times there were fewer tyre choices. Tyres for a Tesla are not super expensive and there seems to be a wide choice. Buy Tesla Model 3 Tyres from $169 I think they have the potential to wear out quicker depending on driving style. 1
spacesailor Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) This " backyard " mechanic has to go for a service annually. It's the law . " vehicle safety check ". Everything else I manage . An EV would leave me at a disadvantage. I don't have an electricians licence. Auto electrician's cost heaps more than auto mechanics spacesailor PS : auto air-conditioning. Try " Hychil minus30 " . Edited July 4 by spacesailor AI changed a word
old man emu Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, octave said: depending on driving style That's something that seems to appear a lot in relation to the operation of EVs. I don't suppose octave is a hoon driver, treating every set of traffic lights as drag strip timing lights. I suspect that his driving style is sedate. But does that caveat from the tyre manufacturers suggest that a lot of EV drivers do have a heavy foot? Does the amount of wear depend on an urban driving style involving going towards traffic lights at cruise speed, then braking firmly within 50-odd metres? Does the amount of cornering, and the driver's cornering technique play a part? Does the type of road surface regularly driven on have an effect? I've just replaced all my tyres on my 1350 kg car with tyres about the price octave mentions. Having lost track of time a bit, I thought that the tyres had worn a bit quickly, but checking my records I found that they had run for 40,000 kms. A great deal of the distance was on rural roads where cornering was mostly through large radius curves. Most of the roads had a stone surface bound with sprayed bitumen.
kgwilson Posted July 4 Posted July 4 There are all the same myths about tyre wear and cost. Wear is no different to ICE cars. It is the driving style that wears tyres out. At 13k mine show no noticeable wear at all but then I am not a hoon. Bigger low profile tyres are more expensive no matter what the method of traction is. As for brake pads, well they don't get used much at all. If I am in one pedal drive mode I almost never use the brakes & even without this not much either due to the regen doing most of the braking for me. A bloke with a 2018 model X Tesla from Brisbane got his first service done at 440,000 km & had the brake pads checked. They did not need replacing but he got them done anyway because it was convenient at the time. One of the things that concerned me initially about not using the brakes was cars behind me not knowing I was slowing down quickly. I then found out when the regen gets above a certain % it automatically puts the brake lights on. The same thing happens with auto hold which keeps the car stationary at traffic lights or whenever stopped without the brake pedal depressed. The manual advises you to use the brakes about once a week to stop the discs from rusting. 2
spacesailor Posted July 4 Posted July 4 I have noticed, EV's are quicker off the traffic lights . I am slower even with 4 litres of power . spacesailor
old man emu Posted July 4 Posted July 4 The way most people deal with traffic lights often makes me think they have shares in a brake pad manufacturing company. They keep driving towards the traffic lights at the speed limit, then have to brake firmly to stop where they need to. That's probably because their driving style has them driving too close to the vehicle in front to prevent "some B cutting in". I like to keep probably more space that the old "3-car lengths" away from the vehicle in front. When I am approaching lights where I will have to stop, because I've seen them change to amber, or they already are red, I simply take my foot off the accelerator and let the engine compression slow me to about 40 kph before I apply the brakes lightly. I might get overtaken by a vehicle in another lane as I am coasting to a stop, but I will not be stopped for as long as the other bloke. I also use engine compression to slow me when I am going from highway speed to the start of town speed. I can go from home to Sydney and hardly use my brakes, except when going down from the high point at Katoomba to the Nepean River. That miserable length of road also has scattered speed limit changes. Way back when I was training for my basic driving certification for police vehicles, the instructors drummed into us to "cover" the brake pedal when approaching lights that had been green for a while. They called that situation a "stale green".
old man emu Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, spacesailor said: have noticed, EV's are quicker off the traffic lights That's where the "driving style" comes into the tyre wear equation. I like to raise the engine revs to what is needed to maintain the current speed limit, and let the gearbox do its job of changing up as the road speed increases. Does an EV have a gearbox that can do that?
red750 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 When I approach the lights, if they are red or have been green for a while, I ease off the gas and coast. It may upset some others, but I catch up with them before the next green cycle. Often it changes before I have to change down to first (manual transmission). I anticipate the green and build up a few revs, otherwise it will stall when I release the clutch. If I am in pole position at the lights, I can usually get off quicker than the others, but they are passing me before I get to the other side of the cross street.
red750 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Does anyone know if this regulatiion applies to cars which are obviously electric, ie. Teslas, who make only electric vehicles. I saw a number of Teslas on the road today without the EV triangle, but a few hybrids which did have them.A guy at he Men's Shed, who drives a Toyota hybrid, says their EV logo has a blue trim.
Marty_d Posted July 4 Posted July 4 6 minutes ago, red750 said: Does anyone know if this regulatiion applies to cars which are obviously electric, ie. Teslas, who make only electric vehicles. I saw a number of Teslas on the road today without the EV triangle, but a few hybrids which did have them.A guy at he Men's Shed, who drives a Toyota hybrid, says their EV logo has a blue trim. Which regulation?
red750 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, Marty_d said: Which regulation? See earlier post about the blue triangle EV badge rivetted to the number plate. ($257 fine for failure to comply). I notice that a photo of the Chinese Xping does not have it. Thaat is a Victorian plate with the state flag in a downward pointing arrow at the top of the plate. The regulation requires an upward pointing arrow at the bottom of the plate, rivetted on. +
old man emu Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Yep, it's a new rule that the blue triangle symbol must be displayed on the number plate of an EV or Hybrid. It is the same as the LPG sticker that went onto vehicles using that fuel. https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/vehicle-registration/vehicle-number-plates/number-plate-warning-and-safety-labels If you live in Western Australia you don't have to have it put on. 1
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