Electric car thread

[nomadpete]

2 hours ago, kgwilson said:

In The US the so called free economy allows for people to get paid $7.50 an hour with no holiday or sick pay. 4 people in the US have more wealth than the bottom 40% of the population

And China the same, or worse? But with completely closed books.

 

I don't belive that the west ever matched the degree of subsidation that the CCP gave to their auto industries.

 

Anyway, it worked. And, in true capitalist form, they will undercut the opposition until there is no opposition left.

[spacesailor]

Hey ! .

That's capitalism. 

spacesailor

[nomadpete]

18 hours ago, spacesailor said:

Hey ! .

That's capitalism. 

spacesailor

OME, I'm confused. Please advise...

 

Should that be capitalism with a capital 'C', or all in capitals?

 

Also, can it still be capitalism when it is in a regional town, or only in capital cities?

 

And Spaceys capitalism is in Italics. Does it only apply to Italy?

[nomadpete]

Anyway, ever since Henry offered the option of electric lamps on the front of his T model automobiles, electricity has been creeping into cars. It's only logical that electricity should eventually surpass the archaic infernal combustion engine.

 

Followingon from that, the world power structure will certainly change. For the better, I think.

 

It will free many nations from foreign economic control over everything reliant on supply chains.

 

And overall, the planet will be a cleaner, healthier place.

[old man emu]

39 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

OME, I'm confused. Please advise...

In the system of noun classification we employ, the noun we use to identify that particular economic system is classed a a "common noun". As such, it is not written with a 'capital', upper case, letter when appearing within a sentence, unless it is the first word of the sentence. Writing the word fully using 'capital' letters can be used for emphasis, usually as headings in lists or document titles.

 

Despite many attempts of State and Federal governments to establish regional centres, the economies of most regional centres depend on service and supply functions. Those economies are mere shadows of capitalist activity going on in capital cities (note lower case).

 

Italic type was first used by Aldus Manutius and his press in Venice in 1500. The decision to use italic type was apparently made to suggest informality in editions designed for leisure reading rather than the roman type in general use at the time. It replicated handwriting of the period.

Example text set in both roman and italic type

 

The evolution of use of italic to show emphasis happened in the sixteenth century and was a clear norm by the seventeenth. This often corresponds with stress in speech. So capitalism in that form is not restricted to Italy, but can appear anywhere emphatically.

 

 

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[facthunter]

One of the Meanings of "Capital" is WEALTH and that is obviously the  way it relates to "Capitalism".  Nev

[onetrack]

Well, the latest EV news has one simple message - the Chinese have won. In disconcerting news for the major Western car brands that have set up huge production factories in China, producing "Brand Name" cars for the Chinese market - whereby these companies generated huge company profits from this process - the Chinese buyers have now taken to the locally-produced EV's and hybrids, obviously seeing good value in them - largely due to pricing, too, no doubt.

 

BMW sales in China have dropped by 42%, and Mercedes, VW, and Audi are going the same way - and there's real panic in the boardrooms of these companies, as they see their massive Chinese-built vehicle profit levels evaporating, under the Chinese car manufacturer onslaught. 

 

The solution to these manufacturers is obvious - climb into bed with the enemy, and use their manufacturing base and massive abilities, to produce "badge-engineered" models.

In the past, design and development of the Brand Name models was carried out in Europe, along with procurement and oversight of suppliers. In the near future, virtually everything will be done by the Chinese, under Brand Name management and oversight.

 

The Brand Name companies manufacturing facilities in Western countries will eventually be reduced to a shell of what they once were, as the Chinese come to totally dominate the vehicle manufacturing industry, on a scale that no-one could've envisaged, as little as only 5 years ago.

 

https://kr-asia.com/can-prioritizing-china-reverse-the-ailing-fortunes-of-luxury-car-giants-bba

[kgwilson]

This is a new innovation for destination charging installed in the carpark of the university of Surrey in just 3 hours. It was delivered on the back of a truck. 12 EV chargers with a solar panel covered roof. It is slow charging (7.7 kW single phase of 11/22kW 3 phase) but perfect for all day parking places or even Supermarkets. It is bring your own cable, plug in and scan your card. The one in the video is also grid connected but it could be off grid with battery storage.

 

 

[red750]

A pub wth pokies would be a good location for that. Recharge while you have a drink and play the machines for a while.

[facthunter]

What a great idea..     Nev

[red750]

Keyless Car Theft ---

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/police-tips-keyless-car-owners-143008475.html

[kgwilson]

They are called Faraday cages and can be bought on Ebay, like 2 of them for $10.00. Pretty cheap insurance. Most new cars sold these days have keyless entry fobs. I bought a new wallet recently and it has shielding for all my cards.

[Marty_d]

This morning I saw an EV with Tas government plates, which is good - means they'll be available 2nd hand soon.

[facthunter]

New ones for 30K drive away.   Nev

[kgwilson]

There is a price war on at present so a good time to buy an EV. New models are due out in the new year so it is a good time to buy if you have the money. I could buy my car now new with a 10 year warranty for 10k less than I paid for it in September last year with a 7 year warranty.

[old man emu]

But does a 10 year warranty this year mean that the car is better than it was last year with only a 7 year warranty? Seem that increasing the warranty period is more a product of the Sales Department than the Design Department.

[kgwilson]

True but it does indicate they have confidence in their product. In China & Thailand, MG are now providing a lifetime warranty on the traction battery capped at 20,000 km/year. This is backed by the battery manufacturer, CATL who have introduced 1.5 & 2 million km warranties for some of their new truck & bus batteries.

[onetrack]

Product Review is a good place to see real customer opinions about the products they've purchased. Look up BYD cars on P.R.

 

Discount all the 5 star reviews, as they're company shills, and look at all the remaining owner reviews. A lot of very unhappy customers, with complaints ranging from poor driving qualities, lack of warranty support, excessive amount of faults in the cars, breakdowns, poor dealership and company backup, and many complaining they never even got a thank you, or a cuppa from the dealer!

 

https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/byd-australia

[kgwilson]

Most of the people who write reviews on productreview are those who have had a bad experience so the results often look bad. Most of those who have had a good experience don't go near these review sites. BYD didn't do anyone any favours when the cars for our market arrived with Ling Long tyres which are absolute crap designed only for driving around town on smooth asphalt. Plenty of owners have now changed them for better quality tyres designed for Australian road conditions and EVs.

 

My car came with Bridgestone Turanzas specially designed for EVs with very low rolling resistance

[Marty_d]

14 hours ago, onetrack said:

...and many complaining they never even got a thank you, or a cuppa from the dealer!

 

Not sure how that has anything to do with the quality of the car.  You don't buy a car for a free cup of coffee.

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Marty_d said:

Not sure how that has anything to do with the quality of the car.  You don't buy a car for a free cup of coffee.

Clearly it refers to the whole experience of dealing with the Brand. Little courtesies mean a lot.

[Marty_d]

Just now, old man emu said:

Clearly it refers to the whole experience of dealing with the Brand. Little courtesies mean a lot.

With respect... when buying a car?  I've bought cars at auction where the only thing said to you is "sold" and you pay your money to an unsmiling clerk in the office.  What mattered to me with those sales is that I got the car for $5k less than a dealer would sell it to me, not that I got a bit of false cameraderie and a cup of tea.

[old man emu]

12 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

With respect...

Noted and accepted.

 

12 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

when buying a car? 

I think that you have to consider the car buying process. In you example, you were after a car, and I imagine that cost was high on the list of factors determining your decision. So you were happy to go to an auction and buy on an "as is, where is" basis. But consider the person who has been considering a vehicle purchase and has done due diligence to find out as much about the alternatives as possible and makes the purchase based on the assessment of that research. 

 

How would the person feel if after making the purchase, the vehicle didn't live up to the hype? What if attempts to rectify things that one would expect to be rectifiable continually failed? That creates disappointment, and if the manufacturer's representative or the manufacturer does nothing to ease that disappointment what does the average person do? They strongly criticise the vehicle, the dealer and the manufacturer.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Agree, OME, but at that point, them offering me a cuppa would probably inflame things for me.. I want the bloody thing fixed or my money back, not a cuppa! woudl be my reaction.

[pmccarthy]

A ribbon on the bonnet and a bag of lollies is probably worth $1000 in trade in value, the way our minds work.