Anti-Semitism in Australia

[Bruce Tuncks]

I like the definitions you come up with OME. I associate "sectarian violence " with the Irish protestant vs catholic stuff, and this is proof to me that we, as a species, seem to need an enemy all the time. Personally, while I did notice some anti-catholic stuff among the older generation, it died out before I got any.

I wonder how those old bigots would have coped with the 800,000 moslems we have imported...

[facthunter]

I wonder how long my head would stay on IF I went to a lot of countries and said I was an atheist?  Nev

[red750]

The problem seems to be either "You took something of mine" or "You get treated better than I do."

[facthunter]

More likely "You lot are different to ME and therefore you scare me."   Nev

[old man emu]

2 hours ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

this is proof to me that we, as a species, seem to need an enemy all the time

It is not that we desire to have an enemy it is that we are as territorial as any other animal. It is just that we are a species that has overcome the dominance of food supply in our survival needs that leads to territoriality. Having secured our food supply, humans were able to form larger groups living together and it became more efficient for individuals to specialise in the contribution to the group each individual made. This enabled some individuals to have the free time to engage in navel gazing, from which the civilising elements developed. Those civilising elements can be called "ideas", and when groups operating on one set of ideas encounters another group with a different set of ideas, annoyance begins.

 

The Industrial Revolution's development of fast, long distance transport fostered a form of battle which we call competitive sport. Now each group could train up its warriors (sporting champions) and set them to do battle with other groups. These battles are fought for laurels, not lands. Of course there is the Yin and Yang of every situation. For every Good there is a Bad, and often a group becomes "bad". Then we get sectarianism, and the various ways it it expressed: anti-semitism (which should be more correctly called anti-Jewism); homophobia; ethnic hatred (racism), and even Ford -v- Holden.

 

 

[onetrack]

The promotion of sectarianism is based on continuing to promote ancient grievances based on losses incurred in previous battles between competing groups for power over entire communities and nations.

 

Add in some good old thuggery and criminality that is not countered with compensatory legal action and punishment, and you soon see where grievances become hatreds, and hatreds turn into murderous hatreds.

 

Nazi Germany and Northern Ireland are classic examples of how long-held grievances, thuggery and criminality came together to nurture the "them and us" mentality and to direct murderous hatred into murderous actions.

 

The Protestants in NI hold parades celebrating ancient battle wins over the Catholics, to ensure the fires of hatred were continually stoked.

So then the Catholics would carry out violent murders against Protestants, as well as against the innocent general public - which often comprised Catholics!

Just as the Islamic sects carry out murderous actions against people they see as opposing the "correct interpretation" of Islam or Mohammeds teachings, they often kill many of their own innocent followers.

 

Trump is well on the way to promoting sectarianism, he firmly believes it's "them or us" on a political basis, and if he's re-elected, it will only get worse.

[facthunter]

Trump is a spoiled brat and Narcistic bully and God would have to make an appointment to see him. One of the world's most dangerous men, who shouldn't actually be trusted  to be in charge of ANYTHING.  Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

Good onyer Nev. I hereby bet a bottle of red that he ( trump) will not win. Mind you, I also didn't think he would have beaten Hillary Clinton but he did. I think he had Putin's assistance.

Anyway, I have been reassured by a book I just read where he gives lots of examples where : 1. you needed to be a trumpist to get republican endorsement most of the time. 2: being a trumpist caused you to lose 5% of the real vote at an election.

Personally, I can imagine a "respectable" republican lady secretly voting Democrat after wondering what would happen if her 12 y/o daughter got pregnant from a rapist.

Of course she would never admit to this.

I have also been impressed by the drop in women applying for the armed services. They can easily be got pregnant and they are unable to choose their place of abode.

 

[facthunter]

I hope you are right.  Nev

[spacesailor]

Ireland 

Was taken over without a war declared. 

All the Irish royalty were " murdered " . All to entrench Catholicism in that country. 

And it worked . As the " Republic of Ireland " is ' Catholic ' while the English " Northern Ireland is

  " Church of England " , by " King Henry of England " .

Plus someone  stole the .  " Royal Irish Crown Jewels " .

spacesailor

 

 

wls

[Bruce Tuncks]

thanks spacy, I never knew.

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

What religion were the Irish?

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

29 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

And it worked . As the " Republic of Ireland " is ' Catholic ' while the English " Northern Ireland is

  " Church of England " , by " King Henry of England " .

And there has been violence in NI ever since (well, Belfast, at least).

[spacesailor]

Pre-Christian  Ireland Was , as were , most of Northwest Europe , ' Celtic Pagon Religion ' .

Overseen by a " Priestley Class of Druid's '' .

spacesailor

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, spacesailor said:

All to entrench Catholicism in that country. 

Actually, the Irish were Christian well before the Anglo-Normans started taking over in the 1170s. In October 1171, King Henry landed with a large army to assert control over both the Anglo-Normans and the Irish. This intervention was supported by the Roman Catholic Church, who saw it as a means of ensuring Irish religious reform. The Irish had developed a type of Christianity that was a bit different from the version of Rome.  At the time, Irish marriage laws conflicted with those of the broader Church, and the Gregorian Reform had not been fully implemented.

 

The Ulster Plantation began in the 16th century and involved the settling of English and Scottish Protestants in Ulster. Coinciding largely with the Eleven Years' War, the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland was led by Oliver Cromwell between 1649 and 1651, resulting in the confiscation of land from many native landowners and regranting to Parliamentarian supporters. That's when the sectarianism started.