Albo to the rescue

[spacesailor]

This staunch Labor supporter. 

Will not vote for a separatists government. 

That " voice " has cost a lot of " New Australian " votes .

spacesailor

[facthunter]

It was  a pre election pledge to do it.  Little (to be) Proud (of) poo pooed it instantly then confusion and "IF you DON"T UNDERSTAND IT, don't vote for it usual stuff..  It's easy to put the scarers up in the remote areas. Dutton will be a disaster. In any other place than Queensland HE wouldn't hold his seat. LNP is a PARTY there and a Coalition everywhere else. The agreement between them has secret details as to what the terms are  but the deputy will be from the NATS.  HE reckoned HIS "BORDER FORCE out ranked everyone including STATE POLICE. He gets inspiration from Trump. He will be  a copy cat  DICK tator..  Nev

[old man emu]

The "Cost of Living Crisis" thing, while I don't deny it's being a fact, has become a football in the political games within many countries' borders. Those who we call The Opposition in governments are blaming the mob in Government for fumbling in the goal mouth. The truth is that it is not within the ability of any government to effectively control the marketplace where the crisi is playing out. The lawmakers don't even have the ability to control interest rates. This applies not only to Australia, but everywhere.

 

Look at the factors causing the crisis. The world is still recovering from the effects of COVID. International maritime transport is being stalled by environmental effect as in the drying of the Panama Canal, or by militant action around the Suez Canal and Persian Gulf. Then we have the various wars that prevent trade. 

 

Dutton and Co can try to blame Albo and his mob for what is happening in order to sway the voting public into replacing the government, but from Day 1 Dutton will be faced with the exact same conditions and the same hopelessness to fix it. Keep your eye on what happens in the USA over the next three months. Trump's first term was cursed by COVID. His second will be marked by a collapse of the world economy, and he can't be wholly blamed for that.

 

I'm not being pessimistic. I hope for my kids' sake I am wrong, but if you see storm clouds on the horizon, and the wind is blowing from their direction, one should make sure one has a raincoat handy.

[spacesailor]

And , I was toying with the idea of spending the kids inheritance.  

spacesailor

 PS. : I caught 'AI' changing "  toying to trying " .

[Jerry_Atrick]

5 hours ago, old man emu said:

The "Cost of Living Crisis" thing, while I don't deny it's being a fact, has become a football in the political games within many countries' borders. Those who we call The Opposition in governments are blaming the mob in Government for fumbling in the goal mouth. The truth is that it is not within the ability of any government to effectively control the marketplace where the crisi is playing out. The lawmakers don't even have the ability to control interest rates. This applies not only to Australia, but everywhere.

I largely agree with this, and one of the disadvantages is that democracies with frequent elections don't lend themselves to governments performing long term planning of strcutural changes to the economy - e.g. short term poain for long term gain - as they are only judged about what happens in society, more or less within x. months of an election. Regardless of  climate change, renewables in the long term will deliver huge cost reductions over fossil fuels.. It may be a 20 orr 30 or 50 year return on investment.. .But tell the electorate that you will have to fogoe a few more cents in the dollar to make it work,, and you're voted out. But the benefits for our kids, grandkids, and so on, would be enormous. Sadly, we don't think like that.

 

And lawmakers can set interest rates - al l it takes is a change in the law. Central banks weren't always independent, and if Trump has his way, the Fed won't be for much longer.

 

5 hours ago, old man emu said:

Dutton and Co can try to blame Albo and his mob for what is happening in order to sway the voting public into replacing the government, but from Day 1 Dutton will be faced with the exact same conditions and the same hopelessness to fix it. Keep your eye on what happens in the USA over the next three months. Trump's first term was cursed by COVID. His second will be marked by a collapse of the world economy, and he can't be wholly blamed for that.

 

I'm not being pessimistic. I hope for my kids' sake I am wrong, but if you see storm clouds on the horizon, and the wind is blowing from their direction, one should make sure one has a raincoat handy.

I am not quite as hawkish as you are, and I think it will be segments rather than the whole economy that will collapse..but throw AI into a largely service based economy, and yess, there are many headwinds gathering.

 

Almost every country that has had elections this year has seen a turnover - the electorate eeither blame the incumbents, or they perceive them not to be doing enough to help. The trick for incuments in these times to to show the population that if it was the other guyy, they would be worse off. Of course, the other guy doesn't have to offer any policies at the moment, but incumbebnts (i.e. Albo and Harris) have a track record of the opposition, and can show how poorly they handled the good times, that them handling the bad times was a virtual certainty to end in many more tears than now. What they needed to do was tap into how they were better handling it than the opposition ever could. Going off on cultural and identity politics when people are worse off, regardless of how that comes about, is not going to win votes.

 

Althogh I am sure Labor has handled the economy better than the LNP would have, Albo, IMHO dopesn't have it in him to make the case, and is trying distraction. The QLD state election should be a very big wakehup call to the ALP.. As it is probably too late to change their leadership, they had better start changing their tactics, or Aus will have Dutton as PM.. And he is no statesman, either.

[old man emu]

8 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said:

But the benefits for our kids, grandkids, and so on, would be enormous. Sadly, we don't think like that.

 

That's where the Asians have it over us. Their cultures see the benefit of working for the benefit of their descendants. 

 

This week the ALP did show a bit of the backbone that we would like to see. In the UN, Australia turned awau from the USA and its rulers, the Isrealis, and voted for Palistinian soveriegnty. That's something the lap dog LNP would not do. The Yanks will probably make something of the way Australia voted, but probably not much, as they probably think they have us under their thumb. 

 

It's about time the Auusie larriknism shone through and we told the Yanks what drongos they are. We should tell them that we are sick of their pushing their debased culture onto us. They have never done anything to really benefit Australia. They simply see Australia as a base for their military operations. 

[nomadpete]

Sadly, all governments (& hopeful gov'ts) have trained the voter to believe that 'only they' can fix the problems of the day. That is how they get elected.

 

Subsequently, when the winning party (or pres) fails to improve the things that are outside their control, they get voted out.

 

Hence the regular  irrational turnover of government  & consequent lack of long term  stability of policies.

 

 

Edited November 15 by nomadpete
It wasn't me. I didn't do it.

[nomadpete]

18 minutes ago, old man emu said:

That's where the Asians have it over us. Their cultures see the benefit of working for the benefit of their descendants.

Long term vision is something we really lack.

 

Also, many places do gain from the long term consistency provided by a unimpeachable dictator. But that advantage wears thin when compared with the negative side of dictatorship.

[facthunter]

Profit's big and now are  pushed by self interested greed motivated barbarians.  Nev

[willedoo]

It's just over 20 years since an Australian prime minister was reelected. By that I mean not reelected to their seat but having led the parliamentary party to two successive election victories. The last was Howard in 2004. I'm not a betting man but my tip is that we won't see it again this election. It could be close but I don't see it going Albo's way.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Nope.. they have prob left it too late to switch leaders to give themselves a chance.. Best to hope for is a minority government

[willedoo]

I don't think it's just the leader. They've been a fairly uninspiring bunch all round. The challenge with being so unnoticeable as a government is how to convince the punters that they are worth a gamble rather than trying something else. If they do lose, I wonder who will lead them. Jim Chalmers maybe.

[willedoo]

Albo would have been better off leaving the voice for a second term and instead using that spent energy on something that locks in votes. The social media age restriction bill seems to be a bit distracting for them so late in the term, another one best left for a second term in my opinion. There could be a few lost first time votes there. Would an 18 or 19 year old vote for a government that's just booted their 15 year old sibling off social media platforms.

[willedoo]

Some 15 year olds might find it a bit odd that they can watch a 15+ movie containing sex scenes and drug use but they will now be banned from posting a picture of their new surfboard on Instagram. The bill would have some admirable goals but I'm wondering if it's another not so well thought out distraction for the government when the clock is ticking to an election. Well intentioned but maybe more thought could have been put into it.

[spacesailor]

Social media ban ! .

If  those that run the big company's thought about the implications of ' trying ' to prove , all it's member were old enough to be members .

They should ban all Australians. 

My wife included. 

No more talking to sister's, half a world away .

A blanket ban on Australian's should be heaps easier , than proving , minor's are not lying on the application. 

Good for the ' telecoms company ' .

$ 80 for five minutes, we were charged a millennium ago.

Now ), no charge at all , with video too .

Just like being next to each other .

spacesailor

 

 

 

[spacesailor]

Just had a look ,

at a ' newspaper classifieds marketplace ' .

Only a few ads, were the FB ' marketplace classified ' .

Is pages long . I believe mostly free , although they must get some dollars out of you .

SO , not just those expensive ' telcos ' are losing customers.  The ' car yards & auction houses' must be losing heaps of customers,  to the " word of mouth " media,  that is like a huge family gathering. 

Chat with millions of people word wide . As we do on '' recreational flying " .

spacesailor

[Marty_d]

They had phones - and dollars - a thousand years ago??

 

Jeez I knew you were getting on Spacey, but that's impressive! 😁

 

 

Edited Friday at 01:01 PM by Marty_d

[Jerry_Atrick]

7 hours ago, willedoo said:

They've been a fairly uninspiring bunch all round.

I agree with the post, but I can't help thinking the small target strategy, despite them denying it, is Albo's and he is holding others back from being more inspiring.. and part of it could be the threat he perceives them to be. Chalmers, Marles, Burke, Bowen (to a lesser extent), and Pilbersek strike me as being able to competently go about their work and can, given the right lattitude, make their mark, which would strenghten Albo... but they seem to be on a long and tight leash..

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Competent? We have not had such a poorly-led bunch of despicable since the 1970s.

[Jerry_Atrick]

You have a short memory.. Last - what 5 or 7 Lib governments would take that crown. Not even hiding the corruption or selling out the Americ... er.. no Chinese, of all things.. The port in the NT, and what about our agricultiral land. .Talk about selling out our security:

 

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/how-much-of-australias-land-is-owned-by-china-210213000.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALbS84IYHYWNlcylj_R-vb2Cd7rbvPKkIpstKNiSfqxRc3qezpV6t9y2aaHIHyi-tUPZ2MsD7Ngo9H_k7li4pmJmGoznXBUOj3N-EbpCFy0ULL6dKfw8XG9Wx_r89BBL7_Sxarr4oKMsvNPXRO3S-00GMsb-Mlh6PSjbAimzJeR6

 

Size of foreign agricultural land - freehold interests by source country

 

Given the Chinese are Johnny come lateleys, their opercentage of foregin ownership sis not bad.. again mainly under the LNP governments:

 

 

Mostly acquired under the LNP governments.. Well done.. Very competent. Is that your idea of security for your grandkids? 

 

I would take those I named over any of the motley crew bozos the LNP offer up - well except for Simon Birmingham... And I am sure there are others in the back benches, but the LNP party machine would not have them up as leaders.

 

And yes, the ALP ones I named are far more competent - unless corruption and total waste is a measure of competency. Remember the vaccine was not a race.. and it took who to secure vaccines to help Australia out of a lockdown https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-11/kevin-rudd-australia-covid-pfizer-vaccine-supply-senior-execs/100284902

 

How much more competence and shit for brains incompetent arseholes do you want evidence of...  You know the ones that got things done. 

 

I agree Albo was a party fixer who got lucky.. Just like SFM.. 

 

But maybe you should take your bias glasses off.

 

When I said competent - it was a relative term compared to other pollies.. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:41 PM by Jerry_Atrick

[red750]

16 hours ago, willedoo said:

a bit odd that they can watch a 15+ movie containing sex scenes and drug use

Willie, what they want to stop is the online bullying of young kids, driving them to take their own lives.

[ClintonB]

There's no break for young ones now. I was bullied but at least it was only sometimes.

Most of the offenders have since ended up in jail, on the dole or dead, so suckers to them I think. The thick skin I developed has made me tougher and more determined.

[spacesailor]

Now they will be bullied on the same mobile phone without their parents checking them .

As my " phoneless " generation was bullied. 

spacesailor

[willedoo]

A lot of kids under 16 have older siblings or friends over 16. What's to stop the over 16s creating a second account in their name and letting the under 16s use it as their own.

[willedoo]

I see where they've got a week to go before parliament finishes for the year. If they call an early election next year, this might be the last sitting week for the term. Albo & Co. are trying to get a lot of legislation through in the week; a lot of it has been sitting around for a long time and some of it is rushed through and not well finished off. The weasel words about the cost of living crisis wear a bit thin on voters when the government is spending some of their last energy of the parliamentary term on pushing through electoral reform that will increase public election funding for the major parties. Talk about out of touch with the needs of the voters.

 

That's a bad call when along comes Dutton running on cost of living, housing, energy and climate change and immigration. It will be a populist campaign from the opposition with not a great deal of policy detail but I think it will beat the government. Labor has traditionally lost votes to the Greens but considering the Greens of late have been as popular as a turd in a punch bowl at a party, votes swinging from Labor might well go the way of the opposition instead of the Greens this time. A lot of voters might look at the government's performance over the last three years and think their promises for the next three are likely a bit hollow, so think they have nothing to lose by giving the other team a go. If Dutton gets in he won't have won the election, it will be Albo who has lost it. It seems to be the way with most of our elections. People don't particularly want the new government, it's more a case they just don't want the old one.