Update your fables

[Marty_d]

I just finished reading "Norse Mythology" by Neil Gaiman.

 

Basically he takes all the old stories of the Norse gods, Odin, Thor, Loki, Frigga etc - and writes them in a way that they're interesting and engaging.  He gives the characters, well, character - you see their motivations and faults, it's not just "...then Loki did this and Thor did that".

 

Got me thinking that if the current religions want to stay relevant, maybe they should update their own books.  Let's face it, the bible is poorly written and about as interesting as the ingredients list on packaged food.  A lot of "begatting" and no character development whatsoever.  I can't speak for the other books but I'm guessing they wouldn't be reviewed favourably by an unbiased critic.

[facthunter]

There  will be Weeping and Wailing and Gnashing of teeth for you unbelievers. Nev

[spacesailor]

Isn't our bible,  the Scottish Kings, way that He  wanted. 

Not for their masses. 

spacesailor

 

[facthunter]

Murdoch has the exclusive rights to print the St James version and IS a PAPAL Knight as well. Mere Motals don't stand a chance. Nev

[old man emu]

16 hours ago, spacesailor said:

Isn't our bible,  the Scottish Kings, way that He  wanted. Not for their masses. spacesailor

Spacey, will you take the time to investigate the history of the 1607 version of the bible that is called the King James Version. The newly crowned King James convened the Hampton Court Conference in 1604. That gathering proposed a new English version in response to the perceived problems of earlier translations as detected by the Puritan faction of the Church of England. The Puritans perceived a few translation problems in earlier translations being used at the time  the Bishops and  the Great Bibles. 

 

The task of translation was undertaken by 47 scholars. All were members of the Church of England and all but one were clergy. The scholars worked in six committees, two based in each of the University of Oxford, the University of Cambridge, and Westminster. The committees included scholars with Puritan sympathies, as well as high churchmen. 

 

The title of the first edition of the translation, in Early Modern English, was :

"THE HOLY BIBLE, Conteyning the Old Teſtament, AND THE NEW:

Newly Tranſlated out of the Originall tongues: & with the former Tranſlations diligently compared and reuiſed, by his Maiesties ſpeciall Cõmandement".  

 

 

Bringing the basic text of the Anglican Church into uniformity was a very important task that required authorisation of the supreme head of the Church of England, who has been the Monarch since the time of Henry the Eighth. You could equate the importance the task to the many Royal Commissions governments create to deal with matters of importance. Therefore, once the work had been done - by religious experts - the work had to be accepted and approved by the Head of the Church. The title page carries the words "Appointed to be read in Churches", suggesting it was probably authorised by order in council, but no record of the authorisation survives because the Privy Council registers from 1600 to 1613 were destroyed by fire in January 1618/19. In the formality of Subjects presenting their works to the Monarch, the translators had this included:

 

 

It appears that the only input King James had was that the translators should not translate word for word, but to translate the meaning implied by the words. There were a couple of things that were more part of the historical content of the Old Testament that did not reflect well on Kings. King James cited two passages in the Geneva translation where he found the marginal notes offensive to the principles of divinely ordained royal supremacy: Exodus 1:19, where the Geneva Bible notes had commended the example of civil disobedience to the Egyptian Pharaoh showed by the Hebrew midwives, and also II Chronicles 15:16, where the Geneva Bible had criticized King Asa for not having executed his idolatrous 'mother', Queen Maachah (Maachah had actually been Asa's grandmother, but James considered the Geneva Bible reference as sanctioning the execution of his own mother Mary, Queen of Scots).

 

Further, the King gave the translators instructions designed to guarantee that the new version would conform to the history of the Church of England. For example, old ecclesiastical words such as the word "church" were to be retained and not to be translated as "congregation". The new translation would reflect the a hierarchical form of church governance ("ecclesiastical polity") and traditional beliefs about ordained clergy.

 

King James didn't mess with the accepted content of the Bible that was fundamental to Christian beliefs. 

[Bruce Tuncks]

the very days of our week are named after norse gods, well tiw's day, wodens day, thors day and freyas day are.  I reckon that freya, being a female, leaves those middle-eastern gods in the dust ( the all male trinity in particular is obvious nonsense)

[facthunter]

Blame Constantine for that. There was a DAY of REST too. Making the Universe is a tiring business..   Nev

[spacesailor]

" the work had to be accepted and approved by the head of the church " .

King James.

" appointed to be read in churches, ", ( in the formality of subjects presenting their works to the monarch ) .

King James .

So it all came back to 

King James. 

 If it wasn't to his liking, it wasn't accepted. 

spacesailor

[facthunter]

That's what you do when you are a KING. Like the "Golden RULE" Those who have all the Gold Make ALL the rules. and IF you are into music HE who PAYS the PIPER CALLS the TUNE. .   Nev

[old man emu]

 

[Litespeed]

Oh piss boy..

[old man emu]

I just came across an interesting theory for why so many cultures around the world have a flood story which we know as Noah's flood.

 

It seems that about 5-6000 years ago, a comet landed in the Indian Ocean creating a hole in the ocean floor called the Burckle Crater. 

 

The energy of the impact created lots of heat, which evaporated massive amounts of seawater. This water rose into the atmosphere as steam and circulated around the world for a while before it fell back as incredibly large amount of rain, which caused flooding "of biblical proportions".  To get a clearer explanation of what happened, watch the first two minutes of this video. If you live in Western Australia, you might be interested to learn what the associated tsunami did to the coast.

 

[onetrack]

My stepdaughters partner is quite obsessed with this Burckle Mega Tsunami theory - but it's not supported by any geologists or qualified people. Just because one obsessive YooToober produces a glitzy video full of Hollywood movie mega-terror clips, doesn't make any of it true. I reckon he's full of it, like a lot of YooToobers. The stepdaughters partner is right into conspiracies and wild theories, that can't be backed by scientific research.

[old man emu]

7 hours ago, onetrack said:

I reckon he's full of it, like a lot of YooToobers.

This YouTuber has produced a series of videos about the geology of Australia and interesting things like the artifacts of volcanism, meteorite strikes and plate tectonics. 

 

Yes, there is the use of mega-terror clips, but they are simply dressing to make a somewhat dry subject watchable for the audience. The guts of the video are based on published scientific reports. Also, the producer does not make apocalyptic predictions. What he presents is what has happened in the past. 

[onetrack]

Sorry, I can't believe his propositions and theories, which are all tinged with the "ooohh" and "aaaaah" infotainment factors.

 

For a start, the power required from a giant meteorite impact to generate a 500' high wave across the entire length of the Indian Ocean would be enough to throw the Earth off its planetary path for all time.

 

As you probably know, when you throw a rock in a pond, it generates a huge splash and a big wave at the impact point. But as the wave spreads out and travels, it reduces in intensity, simply because it is spreading out.

 

He claims "chevrons" he says he can identify on the coastal plains areas of W.A. are plain evidence of his mega-tsunami. I say BS, no-one else has come up with this theory.

 

The "chevrons" are ill-defined and could be caused by any one of a dozen reasons - from earthquakes and faulting to the effects of strong winds over time.

 

No-one claiming to present a truthful, serious, balanced and well-researched scientific video, inserts Hollywood-movie terror scenes into their presentation, to back up their story. He's a BS-artist, on a par with Trump.

 

Edited August 15 by onetrack

[spacesailor]

It's as good as my theory . 

'Terra forming ' ( spelling ) a new world .

Two " binary " water planets.  Meteor smashes one , into three major parts .

One piece each into space , the other into the water planet and a piece for a moon satellite. 

I think it's a good theory. 

spacesailor

[facthunter]

There's more that enough BS around already.. A high degree of scepticism should be applied to all thing s including the University of U tube.  It's getting nigh on impossible to find the TRUTH today. Too many self interested bodies show no respect for it.  Nev

[spacesailor]

But one day , those scientists may find the moon & earth have the exact dirt composition. 

Why would a planet have all it's dirt in one spot ! .

(  Pangaea ( Gondwanaland )) .

spacesailor

[old man emu]

4 hours ago, onetrack said:

I can't believe his propositions and theories

They are not his theories. He's simply making videos to inform and entertain. Here is a link to a published scientific paper that I grabbed at random from one of his videos. In each of his videos he does provide links to his references.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1012034021063

[old man emu]

21 hours ago, onetrack said:

this Burckle Mega Tsunami theory - but it's not supported by any geologists or qualified people.

It is true that the tsunami theory is not fully accepted ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burckle_Crater ), but I wasn't suggesting that the biblical flood ( which is actually a very old story from more ancient Mesopotamian cultures) was caused by a tsunami. THe point made in the video was that the impact released so much heat that evaporated megalitres of sea water which eventually fall as rail across the globe. It was my extrapolation of that statement that led me to wonder if that rainfall was the source of the widespread occurrence of flood stories arising independently in many cultures.

 

As a side note, several versions of a flood story been found in Mesopotamian cultures going back to about 4500 years ago which puts then dating progressively from the early Bronze Age. The biblical version dated from about 500 BCE, and differs from the older versions in its theology and length of rainfall. The biblical length is 40 days and nights, the older versions have it a seven days and nights. You also have to remember that seven is a magic number in cultures originating in Mesopotamia.

[facthunter]

The Noah's ARK story is far from credible. The earth is a contained system. Extra water has to come from somewhere. Rain comes from evaporated seawater, that condenses, forming clouds.  Nev

[red750]

And when the flood subsided, where did all that extra water go?

[facthunter]

That's a valid question since no one's ever found a plug to an underground reservoir... Nev

[spacesailor]

The Mediterranean was an enclosed water .

IF , those forty days of rain overflowed the

' gates of Gibraltar ' , the Atlantic would and still is

Flowing into the Mediterranean,   were would have and have found

' sunken  cities ' .

to me Old Noah's Ark fable is feasible. 

spacesailor

 

[facthunter]

You believe what you wish to space. . I like to study FACTS.  Nev