One Time to Rule Them All

[old man emu]

16 minutes ago, nomadpete said:

Changing the yardstick doesn't change anything

But everyone will be using the same yardstick (if you live in the USA, Myanmar or Liberia), or the same metre rule if you live anywhere else.

 

I'm feel like pulling out of this discussion. I proposed something and provided some support material. Noone has provided realistic material to support a rebuttal of the proposal. It seems that Sun worship is still holds sway over the realities of the 21st Century, 24/7 existence that has become the norm.

[nomadpete]

Sun worship is based on circadian rythm, which regulates the body.

Your suggestion would simplify the labelling of time, but would have no useful connection with (most) human activities. Animals are instinctively more regulated by their daily light cycle.

 

I personally have little use for 'time of day' except for knowing when the shops are open, or if I need to talk to rellies in England - as I prefer to talk to them when they are awake - ie, not in middle of the night. I am mostly regulated by daybreak and sundown.

[nomadpete]

Having said that, I  think Australia would benefit from running on one national time zone.

[facthunter]

The sun should be at it's highest at mid day and no correspondence will be entered into. That's the way it is.  We are a WORLD connected these days so lets get smart and use a 24 Hour time reference. Not AM and PM. (just for starters)  You could fudge an hour if your location is isolated.. Long twilight is a feature of high latitudes  because the sun peeps around the edge the closer you get to the Pole ,but you get short days in Winter. In the tropics the Sun. sinks fast.  Nev

[pmccarthy]

When it’s winter in Australia, is the sun in the north or the south of the sky?

[old man emu]

19 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

When it’s winter in Australia, is the sun in the north or the south of the sky?

It all depends on your Point of Reference. Because of the tilt of the Earth's axis from the from the plane of its orbit around the sun, an observer in Australia would see the sun transit the horizon to the north of its transit on the equinox during winter.

(I think).

 

[facthunter]

Mid winter it is the furthest South  the Sun  ever gets. Above the tropic Of Capricorn I believe. Anyplace north of there would see the Sun to the south of vertically above.   Nev

[Marty_d]

Sun's always in the north for us. In winter it's lower on the horizon. 

[spacesailor]

But .It's a crazy sensation,  when driving north , from Sydney to  Cairns. 

That sun suddenly is behind you .

spacesailor

 

[red750]

Suddenly? How fast were you driving?

[pmccarthy]

8 hours ago, spacesailor said:

But .It's a crazy sensation,  when driving north , from Sydney to  Cairns. 

That sun suddenly is behind you .

spacesailor

 

Quite true Spacey. Sun is in the south in summer northern Australia.

[facthunter]

23'5 degrees south is the tropic of Capricorn. where it is directly above in mid summer at Mid day.  That's as far South as it ever gets isn't it?. I think I got it wrong in a previous Post.. Nev

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[spacesailor]

In the Northern Hemisphere,  the sun is ' Down South ' , 

Coming to Australia is bewildering to say the least. 

Getting lost easily , as  the sun is " rising. SE in the morning " in Europe .

So getting out of bed . Sydney Sun is on right not your left .

spacesailor

 

[facthunter]

Certainly a bit harder to orientate yourself.. Just remember the earth is turning towards the East . Nev

[spacesailor]

Easier to say " the Sun is rising in the east " , As we don't feel we are moving  .

spacesailor

[red750]

It's kinda funny when you see these posts on Snap-Chat, X, et al, from travellers or expats from USA saying how they don't understand what's going on in Australia. Easter in autumn (fall to them), Christmas in summer, and all sorts of hemispherical references, and how you can arrive before you depart sometimes. Just shows their level or lack thereof, of education.

[facthunter]

Don't judge them All by the People on those sites..  Nev. Nev

[old man emu]

When I watch some "how dumb are they?' videos, I have to stop and remember that a lot of the people they are asking are not out of their twenties. In other words, the 20th Century is in fact the distant past. Their history is not the current affairs that a lot of us lived through. Just look at the photos in "Who is it?". Most of us don't see in them the young person whose face we learned. 

 

Why would any young person know about Holt's disappearance, or the Dismissal. Even some of us confuse what Keating or Hawke did.  Let's face it. we are getting old.

[Marty_d]

1 hour ago, old man emu said:

Let's face it. we are getting old.

In most cases, that's better than the alternative.

 

[spacesailor]

Getting old and living longer .

good Health. 

That is what's needed, just so that 'kit ' that's taken longer by far to get flying. 

Will be used by you .

spacesailor

[Bruce Tuncks]

Funny how " the sun is to the south" really influences you. A californian glider pilot, no intellectual slouch himself, was flying out of Gawler, to the north as usual, attracting mirth when he referred to the wedgies as " vultures" when he started flying south, thinking he was still going north! 

Myself, in California, really struggled with north/south for the same reason.

[nomadpete]

I find it odd when I  see a fast sunset on an American TV programme. The sun slants the wrong way down to the horizon.

 

Our gliding club once had a very experienced pilot come back from europe and unwittingly popped out of the last thermal-of-the-day the wrong way (didn't check his compass),  flew away from the strip before realising his mistake. Outlanded. At the time I didn't understand how that happened. Now I do.

[Bruce Tuncks]

We had a guy from india who landed at wre ( weapons research ) by mistake, but in his case the local gliding field was out of his sight directly below.

No, he didn't get into trouble, unlike the german guy who landed in area 51 in Nevada.

[facthunter]

Having a small population doesn't alter the principle. We deal with the entire world. Cows don't read clocks. They depend on other more natural signals.  Use a 24 hour clock to reduce confusion.   Then there's NO AM or PM.  Same as UTC  or Zulu time is. Nev

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Cows don't read clocks. They depend on other more natural signals. 

Funny that you should say that just now.

 

A few minutes ago I was looking at the horses in the paddock beside my place and thinking that they seemed to be growing their winter coats. It got me wondering if the length of daylight, or conversely length of darkness is the trigger (no pun intended) for the hormones that cause the growth and shedding of their coats. I know that in the egg producing business the shed lighting is used to keep the length of day and night in winter about 12 hours. The chook descends from the red jungle fowl (Gallus gallus) of Southeast Asia, mostly between the equator and Tropic of Cancer where the length of daylight is around 12 hours.

(Brown areas)

 

It also made me wonder if horses in southern Victoria and Tasmania begin to coat up earlier than my local horses, and do Queensland horses start growing later and start shedding earlier.