Bondi stabbing tragedy.

[facthunter]

How would you do it? None of these things are easy.   Nev

[old man emu]

43 minutes ago, spenaroo said:

a mental asylum - is a safe mental place

Yes, an asylum is a safe place for people whose mental illness prevents them from, first, looking after themselves, and secondly protecting others from the actions of those mentally ill. Don't forget that dementia rates are rising as society deals with the population bubble that we call the Baby Boomer era. Perhaps the rate will drop as our children and grandchildren reach those ages.

 

I wonder how many people at the present time would benefit from living in an asylum simply because their mental illness is due to things they did not cause, i.e. a physiological cause arising from their own body. Unfortunately a lot of what the rest of us classify as mental illness is due to self-created causes, which can range from substance abuse to indoctrination. These seem to be factors in the recent events, and you could also throw in sexual perversions.

 

Then of course you have to look at the two biggest restraints to opening any sort of asylum facility, be it for the mentally ill or the aging. Where will the money come from, and more importantly, where will the carers come from?

 

This is how the problem was solved in my town. The carers were already trained nurses, but as usual, their qualifications and experience was not accepted, so they are all undergoing make-up course for registration here. My Mum has never been happier since these people arrived and began working where she lives.

 

 

[spenaroo]

First thing I would do is look at Centrelink.

 

my biggest issue when I first had depression at 19 was funding.

I was under 25 - which meant I was means tested on my parents wages.

so didn't qualify for new-start etc...

then despite the diagnosis and letters from my doctors that I could not work.

I had to have an interview with a center-link worker.

where I was rejected for funding on the basis that there was no proof my "injury" would prohibit me from working long term.
(i.e. no set period of recovery - could be a month could be years. but because the possibility that it could be weeks it was knocked back)

I was very fortunate with family support me.

but you know, at 19 I had a roof over my head.

but no way to access money to have any feeling of independence.

 

the nursing home is a weird double standard now I think of it.

perfectly happy to put the elderly in there.

but not create the same environment for someone who is young and disabled.

(then get outraged when there are cases when young people are in these homes as its the best place in the system for them)

Edited May 14 by spenaroo

[old man emu]

1 hour ago, spenaroo said:

he nursing home is a weird double standard now I think of it. perfectly happy to put the elderly in there. but not create the same environment for someone who is young and disabled

I think we should update our names for what we used to call "nursing homes".  The place where my mother lives caters for those whose mental faculties are OK, but have mobility problems in one part of the area, and it also has another section for those with advanced dementia. Mum is 98 and has mobility problems. However she is well cared-for and can call for assistance at the press of a button. (I reckon the meals are a bit crook, but that's institutions for you.) She is assisted with showering and personal care and records are kept of her receiving medications on time. Those Pilipino staff are very attentive, more so than the  staff born and raised locally. So, my Mum is not in a "nursing home", but an "aged care facility".

 

Nowadays, a "nursing home" should more correctly be called a "sanitarium" - a place where people with an illness or recovering from medical treatments can be assisted with their recovery.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of young people get injured and end up needing similar or greater care than the aged. However, while these young people might be physically incapacitated, their minds are not. There is an urgent need for the establishment of "young care" facilities where there is an emphasis on age-appropriate social interaction. I can think of nothing worse for one's mental state than being a twenty-odd year old living with persons old enough to be one's great-grandparents. What common interests would a young person have with an octogenarian?

[facthunter]

People want everything to be there but don't want to pay tax.  Nev

[spenaroo]

People are happy to pay tax.

when they see the benefits

 

as the late Kerry Packer famously said, “I don’t know anybody that doesn’t minimise their tax … Of course I’m minimising my tax. If anybody in this country doesn’t minimise their tax they want their head read. As a government I can tell you you’re not spending it that well that we should be paying extra”.

Edited May 14 by spenaroo

[facthunter]

Keeping everyone happy would be an impossibility. Most say, "what's in it for ME' and don't look beyond that. Packer also said "Paying tax for the RICH is optional". That's how he thought and HE should know.. . Morrisson looked after the top end of town. That's a good business plan. THEY have the wherewithall to make it worth your while. A donation to them is a prime investment. Ask Gerry Harvey. Nev

[Bruce Tuncks]

We may be the only people who understand how the stabbing guy was also let down by the system. I would like the rich to pay more tax so that younger people were housed better. Spenaroo is quite correct here, old folks places are not what is needed.